Legality of assaults

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Should it be legal for other people to assault you if they disagree with you? This poll is closed.
Yes	183	49.06%
No	190	50.94%
Total:	328 votes

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We must secure the forum for our people and a future for white children.

# ¿ Jan 23, 2017 03:29

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Call Me Charlie posted:

I'll actually try to serious post.

Do you think it's cool to punch a communist in the face when you see them in public? Or for someone to punch a known anti-war activist for being a traitor to the country? Is a pro-life bomber justified in bombing an abortion clinic because, in their eyes, a baby holocaust is happening? Is Joseph Paul Franklin a heroic figure for shooting and paralyzing known scumbag and pornographer Larry Flynt for showcasing interracial sex in his magazine?

If you answered no to all of those then you can't support somebody assaulting or murdering a nazi for voicing their hosed up views.

That doesn't mean you have to sit back while they attempt to spread their doctrine. You can protest them. You can protest any venue that gives them a platform. You can protest any business that employs them. You can ostracize them. You can get the law involved when they try to make a show of force like those nazis that got arrested for 'terrorizing' in Welcome To Leith. But you can't beat or murder them unless they try to turn their hateful speech into action.

And honestly if you want to otherize literal neo-nazis and genocide advocates like Richard Spencer, you should stop trying to conflate them with Trump and the GOP.

(I saw this comic book writer get quoted in The New York Times so maybe his word will carry more weight than mine.

https://twitter.com/nickspencer/status/822591535158034432
https://twitter.com/nickspencer/status/822625805549367296
https://twitter.com/nickspencer/status/822627812800692224
https://twitter.com/nickspencer/status/822668442604015616
https://twitter.com/nickspencer/status/822972172666695681 )

Of course you'd be against punching nazis

# ¿ Jan 23, 2017 22:43

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Higsian posted:

I'm kinda mad at the bystander that tried to unmask the hitter tbh.

The one guy that chased after the antifa is super weird and like a alt right genocide supporter who wants to bring in more minorities to the cause or something along those lines that was really bizarre.

# ¿ Jan 23, 2017 23:23

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Kilroy posted:

He's using the attack as an escalation - Richard Spencer isn't actually afraid yet. Hope this helps.

Next time there will be 50 Nazis in the street.

Are you joining him or helping punch them?

# ¿ Jan 24, 2017 00:19

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Toasticle posted:

We have to be vigilant against someone who would crawl back mewling to his house after a sucker punch because that's the kind of person able to summon the political power to turn this country in new Hitler world.

Someone who is an actual threat would be the type to surround himself with armed security and in some states be legally able ventilate you in self defense.

well since person 1 helped person 2 get into the white house, punch em both

# ¿ Jan 24, 2017 01:53

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you can still bash the fash without an assault rifle

# ¿ Jan 24, 2017 03:32

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if you could debate a nazi things would have been a lot easier 80 years ago, but you cant so loving punch them every day

# ¿ Jan 30, 2017 02:51

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oh no, then we will have a bunch of nazis punched and possibly some trump supporters also punched on accident. what a shame

# ¿ Jan 30, 2017 03:04

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well it looks like people will just have to stop being trump voters then

# ¿ Jan 30, 2017 03:08

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Pseudo-God posted:

No, I just have higher principles than you it seems. You have worked yourself up to believe that all your enemies are irredeemably evil so it's ok to attack them wherever you find them, not realizing that over time, the circle of enemies expands more to include first Nazis, the Nationalists, then centrists, then anyone who defends these people. It is possible to have universal principles that apply to people you find reprehensible, because ultimately THEY PROTECT YOU when then the other side gets power.

Also, I find it very strange how you muster up the nerve to attribute intent to people you debate with, especially since you know nothing about me. As someone whose people have been the subject of ethnic cleansing and genocide, and who experienced this first hand in living memory, I am especially sensitive to angry mobs and nationalist hatred (1999 Kosovo War). Finally, since you have branded me sympathetic to Nazis, how far do you think I am removed from being the actual target of these beatings? How much more do I have to say before I am marked for being a Nazi myself?

actually they are irredeemably evil

punch em all

# ¿ Jan 30, 2017 03:44

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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:

what, was the knockout when all the nazis in the actually-nazi black bloc bought him beers and he drank himself into a stupor

because if he's passed out drunk then people should totally draw on him, drawing on a passed-out nazi is cool and good in my book

lol look at the nazi supporter here

# ¿ Jan 30, 2017 03:45

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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:

i mean there's some kind of notion in the thread that humanity can't be trusted to have certain ideas floating around the population, and i'm a bit too optimistic about humanity to really go with that

Lol gently caress off idiot and stop defending people who agree with genocide.

# ¿ Jan 30, 2017 04:34

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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:

i've never tried empathizing with a corpse, how do you do that is it like attempting suicide

You should try both

# ¿ Jan 30, 2017 05:44

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Nazi posters gently caress off

# ¿ Jan 30, 2017 13:03

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enki42 posted:

Apparently the only possible responses to white supremacists according to posters in this thread:

- Punch them
- Throw them a party

I'm from European refugee descent and I say kill em all.

# ¿ Jan 30, 2017 13:12

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enki42 posted:

OK, sure:

I'm not asking for Nazism to be defeated. I'm asking for any evidence whatsoever that that punch, or any punch has been effective in combating Nazism. If I was "shifting goalposts", I was shifting them in your favour (from "show me how this was effective against Richard Spencer" to "show me how punches were effective against any Nazi")

Also, how am I asking you to prove a negative? I'm asking you to prove a positive - if you want me to support an extreme act (violent protest), then show me that it can be effective.

Looks like punching Richard Spencer is working so there is your evidence.

# ¿ Jan 30, 2017 13:21

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enki42 posted:

What I'm definining effectiveness is reducing the spread of Nazism in a society. I agree with the method of doing that that some people have been calling for violence against Nazis have stated - the best way to combat Nazism is to make their viewpoint completely unacceptable and abhorrent to society. Where we differ is our opinions on how to make those viewpoints abhorrent and unacceptable.

yeah because they already are abhorrent and unacceptable to normal people, however these people are nazis.

loving punch them

# ¿ Jan 30, 2017 22:29

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# ¿ May 15, 2024 08:57

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you should punch nazis because it increases risk of both hemorrhagic and ischemic stroke

# ¿ Jan 30, 2017 22:50

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