Legality of assaults

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Should it be legal for other people to assault you if they disagree with you? This poll is closed.
Yes	183	49.06%
No	190	50.94%
Total:	328 votes

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rudatron: May 31, 2011; by Fluffdaddy

All lives are precious, please do not attack others unless you've run out of other options!

# ¿ Jan 22, 2017 12:59

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rudatron: May 31, 2011; by Fluffdaddy

Wait, if op is obliquely referring to spencer being punched, that's not just 'you disagree with them'. Self defense is justified, and so is defense of another. You can't bitch and moan about free speech, when you're willing to selfishly deny the rights of others.

# ¿ Jan 22, 2017 14:03

rudatron: May 31, 2011; by Fluffdaddy

Steve2911 posted:

So what are the options?

that depends, i guess, on what the situation is? i feel like what i said is a good moral guideline

# ¿ Jan 22, 2017 14:05

rudatron: May 31, 2011; by Fluffdaddy

Ytlaya posted:

I solve this problem by just never thinking of other options in the first place.

I mean in most cases, there are plenty of other options. But I can't say it's right to ask people to not hurt someone, who would absolutely hurt them if given the chance.

# ¿ Jan 22, 2017 18:11

rudatron: May 31, 2011; by Fluffdaddy

I don't think nazis hand-wring about the morality of violence when they attack people, nor are they really known for using pies. Intimidation works, nazis know it works, that's why they do it. It also works on nazis, same as anyone else.

# ¿ Jan 22, 2017 18:25

rudatron: May 31, 2011; by Fluffdaddy

I feel like under society that's worth living in, right now, assault has to be illegal, and you need protection for speech.

But in a time of crisis, when you have nazis marching and advocating genocide, I can't condemn people who attack them, because nazis would happily abolish every single protection that they hide behind. They don't care about free speech, so why should they be protected by it? They'd be happy, and are happy, hurting others, they only care about getting caught, so why should they be protected by laws against assault?

But you can't really legally enforce that, because you cannot read minds objectively, so you could not prove it to a legal standard.

People saying 'kill whitey' should also be decked, for what it's worth. No one's getting genocided.

# ¿ Jan 24, 2017 04:56

rudatron: May 31, 2011; by Fluffdaddy

Hogge Wild posted:

You mean like communists?

Communists are not morally equivalent to nazis. Read Red Army soldier accounts of the liberation of the death camps (Treblinka/Auschwitz) to learn why. All of them lived under communism, yet every single one of them regards what they saw in the nazi camps as almost inconceivable, beyond the pale.

# ¿ Jan 25, 2017 10:49

rudatron: May 31, 2011; by Fluffdaddy

Actually, someone do us a solid and post some itt, I'm on my phone.

# ¿ Jan 25, 2017 10:50

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# ¿ May 15, 2024 03:37

rudatron: May 31, 2011; by Fluffdaddy

In the perfect state, the probability of a fascist takeover would be 0%, and thus, political violence would be unnecessary, law would be upheld perfectly, and that law would be just.

We don't live in that state, or world, we live in a world where nazis are more than happy to bend/break the law, when it serves their purposes. Even if you agree not to assault nazis, do you think they would ever, in a million years, return that favor by not assaulting minorities/you whenever they have the chance? Nope, that's naive. Therefore, I cannot condemn people who use political violence against nazis, even unlawfully, because I know that nazis do not give a poo poo about the law, will never uphold the law, and will do everything in their power to pervert it.

# ¿ Jan 25, 2017 16:05

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