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The Ninth Layer posted:My biggest issue with 8 was that around chapter 5 or 6 it started to get very clear that the game was going to have you unlock the same RPG features at the exact same pace in chapters that 7 did, but 7 felt like they had enough story to tell to justify the chapters, whereas 8 feels like it's gotta find extra story to put between job unlocks, the rng dungeons and the island mini game. A lot of the middle chapters are along the lines of: talk to one guy, oh no you're betrayed, let's fight our way out, ok now what. I was usually pretty unclear about how anything I was doing was going to lead me to Ichiban's nom. For full transparency, I stuck some spoiler tags on this, in case The Ninth Layer is away from keyboard or can't edit post or something. Thanks chums 
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There's also the ending where Eiji was clearly supposed to kill Lani and Ichiban's mom while laughing maniacally, but they cut that out of the story at the last minute and pasted in Lani/mom getting handed off to the Daidoji instead, so nothing about the back half of Ichiban or Eiji's story makes sense. Eiji just has one villain moment and then disappears for the rest of the game.
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Apr 9, 2024 19:40
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Apr 9, 2024 19:46
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Larry Cum Free posted:Playing in Japanese with subs and it was definitely an odd choice to have like 25% of the English lines voiced by native English speakers, and the rest a range of heavily accented to 'Japanese guy who doesn't speak a lick of English reading something written out phonetically' (including a major antagonist!) The Tomizawa lines own because it's obvious the actor (who isn't a professional VA) thought it would somehow be more realistic/believable if he read his English lines real fast. So it's just him very quickly reading the katakana they obviously put in front of him, with no gap between individual words, causing it to be even more incoherent than Bryce's English.
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Apr 9, 2024 20:09
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Sapozhnik posted:There's also the ending where Eiji was clearly supposed to kill Lani and Ichiban's mom while laughing maniacally, but they cut that out of the story at the last minute and pasted in Lani/mom getting handed off to the Daidoji instead, so nothing about the back half of Ichiban or Eiji's story makes sense. Eiji just has one villain moment and then disappears for the rest of the game. This is a weird thing to assume is 100% accurate when nothing points to it whatsoever Like dont get me wrong, I agree that those characters vanish cus they had eay too many irons in the fire as per usual, but having that happen would have been really dark and have pulled focus from pretty much everything else and would have been very jarring and bad. Kojiro fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Apr 9, 2024 |
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Apr 9, 2024 21:22
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Straight up I would’ve used the dub but I can’t abide not having Kiryu’s distinctive dulcet tones for what’s presented as his send off. 7’s dub was really good! I just don’t think Kiryu’s specific voice can be replicated well in a dub. It’s way too distinct.
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Apr 9, 2024 21:24
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man nurse posted:Straight up I would’ve used the dub but I can’t abide not having Kiryu’s distinctive dulcet tones for what’s presented as his send off. They could've at least gotten closer, the combination of the VA they picked and the direction they apparently gave him just miss by a mile At the very least you need a VA who can sing
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The Chairman posted:They could've at least gotten closer, the combination of the VA they picked and the direction they apparently gave him just miss by a mile I feel like any attempts so far just end up sounding like a generic gruff man at best. The Japanese VA gives him this really heavy gravitas that’s also kind of soft at the same time. It’s superb and I associate it with the character so heavily that I don’t think anything else would sound right.
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Apr 9, 2024 21:29
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I will say that you do get used to Yong, he's never amazing, but he becomes fine enough to not be too distracting. Would still take Kuroda or even the guy who did him in 1/7 any day.
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Apr 9, 2024 21:39
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Yeah when I replay it I'll probably do the dub which was fine for 7, now that I've seen all that Kiryu's sendoff has to offer (and really doesn't come close to the emotional highs of Gaiden since it has to awkwardly fit between Ichiban's own deal and like five plot twists) especially because all the times they switch between Japanese and English are really stilted
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Apr 9, 2024 22:05
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man nurse posted:Straight up I would’ve used the dub but I can’t abide not having Kiryu’s distinctive dulcet tones for what’s presented as his send off. Same. If I do a NG+ I'll try it dubbed.
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Apr 9, 2024 22:19
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i didnt mind the voice for kiryu ultimately, but i hated the karaoke for everyone in the dub. i think his voice isnt as good, but most of his clips arent about being a stalwart bad rear end, theyre about reminiscing and making friends, and i think the actor sounds genuine enough to make it work
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Apr 9, 2024 22:22
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Is the Tennis Ace and Linebacker DLC worth it? I don't see myself doing a replay of Infinite Wealth or buying the New Game + DLC either with how long people are saying the game is. I do wish it was a more generic 'Athelete' class and they just brought out random sports equipment for their skills. I want Saeko to have an AOE shotgun attack for skeet shooting. Also how the hell are you supposed to level up Brawler style in Ishin! ? I'm still at level 16 and I should really just start beelining the main story anyway, since the combat's not as fun as the old engine or Lost Judgment/Man Who Erased His Name games are.
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brawler in ishin sucks no matter what you do unfortunately
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Apr 9, 2024 22:32
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it's okay if all you do is wear every damage increase you can and exclusively use tiger drops. but its main purpose is just to get in a punch or two while you're transitioning styles so that the opponent doesn't recover from a combo.
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Apr 9, 2024 22:53
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RareAcumen posted:Is the Tennis Ace and Linebacker DLC worth it? I don't see myself doing a replay of Infinite Wealth or buying the New Game + DLC either with how long people are saying the game is. It’s 5 bucks and both classes are very good. I would say it’s worth it unless you’re on a very strict budget. That’s half the cost of a cheap lovely meal these loving days If you have already completed the game or whatever than no probably not.
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Apr 10, 2024 00:50
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They never revisit the fact that they built an underground copy of Ala Moana just to make bootleg fashion.
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Apr 10, 2024 02:23
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Fartington Butts posted:They never revisit the fact that they built an underground copy of Ala Moana just to make bootleg fashion. Is it really more absurd than the fighting arena under the river in 0?
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Fartington Butts posted:They never revisit the fact that they built an underground copy of Ala Moana just to make bootleg fashion. You buy bootleg clothes at the bootleg mall, I don't see the issue.
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Apr 10, 2024 02:39
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Kojiro posted:This is a weird thing to assume is 100% accurate when nothing points to it whatsoever its kind of funny playing the dub because the stark difference in Tomizawa’s dub performance for everything up to the very last scene and the final one make it really obvious the clunky exposition explaining what happened to Lani and Chitose was probably a last minute addition.
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Apr 10, 2024 02:39
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Fartington Butts posted:They never revisit the fact that they built an underground copy of Ala Moana just to make bootleg fashion. I think someone earlier in the thread pointed this out but it was really funny that they had this convoluted rear end bootlegging and passport fraud scheme instead of a way more normal and real thing like meth which has been a problem in Hawaii for decades
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Apr 10, 2024 02:52
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Fartington Butts posted:They never revisit the fact that they built an underground copy of Ala Moana just to make bootleg fashion. A criminal organization building elaborate playgrounds for the rich that could never possibly turn a profit for no reason is like the most mundane thing in the yakuza universe Convenience stores selling energy drinks and seasonal items is more noteworthy tbh
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Apr 10, 2024 02:53
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canoshiz posted:I think someone earlier in the thread pointed this out but it was really funny that they had this convoluted rear end bootlegging and passport fraud scheme instead of a way more normal and real thing like meth which has been a problem in Hawaii for decades Here are the things organized crime does to make money in Yakuza games: - small time loan sharking - real estate speculation - human trafficking - grifting the IJN 70 years after the IJN ceased to exist - elaborate underground casinos - passport fraud - extorting homeless people That's it. No wonder the Tojo Clan was going under for five games straight.
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Funky Valentine posted:Here are the things organized crime does to make money in Yakuza games: IW spoilers I'm still not convinced that Daigo getting cancelled is what brought him down, I bet his business was already in the red when the hit piece came out and he just took the exit ramp while it was there
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MorningMoon posted:IW spoilers I'm still not convinced that Daigo getting cancelled is what brought him down, I bet his business was already in the red when the hit piece came out and he just took the exit ramp while it was there i mean if nothing else Majima was helping and that guy is crazy good at making money, you’d pretty much have to cancel culture any operation with him at the helm to shut it down.
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Apr 10, 2024 05:10
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Kuroda's Kiryu voice is like a smoky breeze in a gravel pit. There's a lot of texture and subtlety to his performance and Yong didn't have enough voice acting experience under his belt to really bring a similar level of range.
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I mean that’s more of a miscast than anything, there are western actors who could match his voice pretty well like Keith David, but I’d never hire them or Kuroda to voice a plucky shonen protagonist even with 20+ years of voiceover experience, and I’m not calling either actor a hack for that. Honestly I kinda feel bad for him because, like, he’s not outstanding but he’s okay, which is how I’d describe like half the casting choices for the recurring characters, but no one’s giving any of them the heat he’s gotten. It mostly stands out as funny since, like, if RGG Studio was doing an international game with a faithfully recreated Honolulu, cast a popular western live actor for one of the antagonists, and Eiji’s dub actor did some of the motion capture including some of Kiryu’s, it’s pretty likely it was a collaborative enough process that they involved themselves on some level in approving his dub voice.
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Apr 10, 2024 06:10
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Last Celebration posted:cast a popular western live actor for one of the antagonists, i'm playing the japanese version with subtitles since its an rgg game and it was just weird to me when i tried the dub for 15 minutes. when i got to that point i thought "that guy looks so clearly based on danny trejo that he could probably sue" assuming that trejo wasn't actually involved since his english language lines in the japanese voiced version aren't said by him. only learned a week ago of his involvement and how guys like him and bryce have completely different VAs even when they speak english.
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Tbh I had that same feeling with Tomizawa after playing dubbed when people posted pictures of the guy he’s based on.
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I will say having only played dubbed 7 but then subbed IW both Ichibans sound like exactly the same specific type of himbo dumbass but some like Nanba have completely different vibes
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Apr 10, 2024 07:34
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I always felt like Ichiban had a different energy in Japanese, like both voices are great obviously, but EN Ichiban having more giant manchild energy colors his actions with childish idealism, and JP Ichi not having that but more energy and gruffness makes you think “drat, this guy is lowkey crazy” which still fits a dude who hallucinates goons into being enemies like Guy Wearing a Cigarette Mascot Suit, Evil Surfer, and Just A loving Robot amazingly well.
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I'm near the end of 7, just got to Kamurocho, and I'll post my thoughts on the game once I wrap it up but I'll chime in and say I adore the dubs of these games so far. Both this and Judgment have been excellent. The Tojo Legends sounded SUPER weird after playing through the Kiryu Saga (Daigo pretty much sounded exactly like you'd expect Daigo to sound, however) but I love pretty much everybody else. I'd like to specifically point out Adachi as my favorite; I looked his actor up and he apparently hasn't been in that many things, despite being active for a long time, which is honestly insane to me because he's loving killing it.
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Runa posted:Kuroda's Kiryu voice is like a smoky breeze in a gravel pit. There's a lot of texture and subtlety to his performance and Yong didn't have enough voice acting experience under his belt to really bring a similar level of range. Kuroda is also 58. Yong Yea is 29. I'm sure there are some 29 year olds that can do a good voice for a dude in his 50s, but I don't think Yong Yea does. He, at best, makes Kiryu sound in his 30s.
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They cast Kiryu’s VA wrong on purpose, as a joke
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Wolfsheim posted:I will say having only played dubbed 7 but then subbed IW both Ichibans sound like exactly the same specific type of himbo dumbass but some like Nanba have completely different vibes I feel like Nanba's English VA has completely different vibes between 7 and IW, it's weird
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History Comes Inside! posted:They cast Kiryu’s VA wrong on purpose, as a joke RGG games are kinda fascinating because sometimes it feels like they had no English consultants in the process. Or, at the very least, the English consultants are only there to say "yes this makes the base level of sense" and not "yes this is good."
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I played with the Japanese voices but used the dub for a bit in premium adventure out of curiosity. I like a few of the dub performances a lot (Robbie Daymond as Zhao is especially fantastic, as is Suzie Yeung as Chitose) but I just can't get over Yong Yea's Kiryu. I definitely agree with the overall sentiment that he's not a bad actor or anything, he's just not right for the role of a world-weary 55-year-old legendary yakuza. Then again I'm not sure I'd be satisfied with any English Kiryu. Kuroda's voice is just so iconic that now that I'm used to it, nothing else seems quite right. Harrow fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Apr 10, 2024 |
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Waffleman_ posted:I feel like Nanba's English VA has completely different vibes between 7 and IW, it's weird in IW it sounds like he's deliberately trying to make his voice sound more gravelly as some kind of put-on mannerism, it's a little strange
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The Chairman posted:in IW it sounds like he's deliberately trying to make his voice sound more gravelly as some kind of put-on mannerism, it's a little strange the Hayter Effect
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poo poo, actually, David Hayter might have been a decent Kiryu if he wasn't already Bartender Kashiwagi.
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