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Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
So I had never played a Yakuza game. My wife loves gangster stories and also loves us playing through games together, so we started recently on Yakuza 0.

It's good as hell. We only just finished chapter 5 and we love it. The only slightly annoying thing is the exhausting amount of side quests. Literally every 5 feet it's another cutscene opening up a side story. And they're mostly amazing, but just sooooo lengthy.

I think we're at about 16 or so hours played at this point and we only just wrapped chapter 5?

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Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!

Akuma posted:

Feel free to ignore any side quests for a bit, you can always finish them later!

Totally, I pick and choose when I want to do them, but sometimes I just want to run from one spot to another without a sidequest introduction cutscene triggering! :argh:


Also, goddamn is this game dense as gently caress with activities to do. I kinda of love it, but I also hope the other games aren't as dense so that it doesn't take me 6 years to get through all of them.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
The track "As You Like" from Yakuza 0 is a loving banger and I will loving fist fight anyone who disagrees.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
Really wish the Real Estate mini game was more engaging. I love doing Majima’s cabaret club. Real estate is just boring as hell.

Waiting in timers is never fun.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
Yakuza 0 was a very good game.

Hit about 85 hours. Did all the real estate, all of Club Sunshine, and majority of the side quests before hitting the end credits.

Helluva fuckin game.

On to Yakuza Kiwami.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
What do you mean by that? I figured I could expect unevenness across the games, but moving forward, what should I expect?

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!

Detective No. 27 posted:

I don't think I've ever seen anyone here say Kiwami 1 is bad. It's really faithful to the original game. It's just way outshined by Y0, and seems like a jarring shift in quality for any newcomers going from Y0 to K1. The combat doesn't feel as good, some of the systems are a downgrade, and also the lack of autosave.

Yeah. 0 doesn’t have auto save either (which actually hosed me over twice when the game locked up on the save menu).

I don’t care about combat/upgrade quality. I played 0 on easy so that I could breeze through the combat and get the story. I plan on doing the same for the rest of the series as well.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
I really wish the hostess game from Yakuza 0 was a separate game I could play forever.


Someone turn it into an iOS game.

Yakuza 0 is a rad fuckin game and the hostess game is the crown jewel.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
Seems like a lot of woes will be avoided by just playing on easy difficulty.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
So I'm starting on Yakuza Kiwami and I'm only like two hours in, back after prison and it's shown how Nishiki has his own family, but I'm also told he "betrayed the Kazama family"

Is that going to be explained more soon or will that be a later reveal?

Because I don't think they said anything more than that line, but I was high and could have missed greater detail?

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
I can’t imagine playing Y1 without playing Y0. Nothing would mean anything.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
I’m on chapter 4 of Kiwami 1 and it’s very good so far.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!

Stairmaster posted:

im playing yakuza zero as someone whose new to the series who are the men in black

What up, new Yakuza buddy?

People seem really down on Kiwami, but I'm about 1/3 of the way through after recently finishing 0 and it's really good!

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
Oh wow. The middle of Yakuza Kiwami sure does start to loving meander.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
While Kiwami is significantly worse than Zero, I’m still actually really loving enjoying it because I just enjoy putzing around Kamurocho.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
I also appreciate how intensely loving bleak and depressing the main story of these games are.

Everyone is hosed up and damaged and nobody gets a happy ending.

I feel they really nailed that aspect of gangster stories.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
Lots of thoughts:

I wish there was a list of "don't skip these side stories" for all the games because while there are a lot of good ones in Y0 and YK, there's a lot of really bland/boring ones too and I don't want to go through all of them just in hopes I find some good ones.

On a side note - my wife and I are at the final section in YK right before heading to the final battle, so we're working on wrapping up that game. I get what people mean when they said "think of it as an expansion to Y0" because it really does feel that way. I feel like I would have a hard time having as much of a connection to the characters had I just played the original Y1. The added Nishiki cutscenes after every chapter really add a lot to that story and make him feel like a truly tragic character.

YK plot stuff - I didn't really feel much about the death of Shinji, but that's because he's only been a side character that shows up for maybe 20 minutes over the entire game. Had we not played Y0, I feel as if I would have had the same thoughts about the deaths of Kazuma, Reina, and Shimano. Instead, all of those felt incredibly dramatic and shocking.

Basically - without Y0, I feel like YK would be just a kind of "meh" game. While YK is not nearly as fully featured as Y0, as a new Yakuza player, I don't feel like the story itself is lacking and it does feel like a natural extension of Y0.

Two things I'll note:

1 - While my wife hasn't really picked up on it at all, goddamn is some of the cinematography in YK bad. Well, maybe bad isn't the word, but it is very obvious that this is a reskin of a 2005 game because those camera angles and camera movement feels very very very "2005 game wanting to be taken seriously like a dramatic film." Also a lot of unnecessarily closeups/awkward angles that would have made far more sense in an old pre-1080p game, but doesn't with high definition TVs.

2 - Majima is 100% gay for Kiryu, right? There has to be about a billion slash fictions of those two, right?

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
Is any of the Kiwami 2 DLC worth getting?

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
So, over the last month, I finished both Yakuza 0 and Yakuza Kiwami 1. I have thoughts.

I loved them both. 0 is, as many people warned in this this thread, much better than Kiwami as a total package. Honestly, I think these two games should just be bundled together and not sold separately because they feel like two parts of one story. It feels hard to talk about the core story of either without referencing the other because the story of these games feel like they were made together. I can't imagine playing K1 without 0 though because I feel like the resonance of K1's story beats wouldn't hit without the background of 0. K1 doesn't earn a lot of its emotional moments on its own, but with the background of 0, the emotional moments landed hard for me. You know how they split the final Harry Potter book into two films? That's what 0 and K1 feel like to me. It feels like "part 1 & 2" of the first arc. And now with that done, we can move to the sequel. Had I only played K1 and not 0, I probably wouldn't have been interested in continuing this series.

The side content in 0 is infinitely better than K1 (though the real estate "game" in 0 sucks rear end). The hostess club was a gently caress ton of fun (and my wife loved customizing the platinum hostesses) and I seriously just want an iphone game that's just a hostess club management sim. I could play that for hours. Needless to say, I'm really loving excited to start Kiwami 2 - mainly just so I can run a hostess club again. The substories, on a whole, are really loving good with far far far more bangers than clunkers. I especially like the substory about buying porn from a vending machine for a kid.

The substories in K1 were almost completely forgettable, though I did enjoy the continued depressing saga of Pocket Circuit Fighter. I liked MesuKing well enough, though games of random chance can suck rear end. "Bad rear end Dads" was also a good substory. Other than those, all of the rest of the substories were forgettable. Not necessarily bad, just boring. One advantage of the K1 substories over 0 is that most of the substories were incredibly short, so even if they were boring, they were over fast. Not every substory in 0 was a winner and I felt like a lot of the really boring ones went on too long.

My current rankings:

Main story: Y0 > K1
Side content: Y0 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> K1

I will update these rankings as I continue through the series.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
But seriously though, if you haven't played 0, how do the deaths of Reina, Kazuma, and Shimano have any weight at all?

Hell, without the bonus Nishiki cutscenes at the end of every chapter, I wouldn't have cared nearly as much about his story.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
Holy gently caress. Kiwami 2 looks and feels loving amazing.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
Oh no. They ruined UFO catcher.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
Yeah. They tweaked the layout slightly but holy gently caress this game.

It looks amazing. The combat feels super weighty. I’m only two chapters in and loving hooked on the story. And I’ll get to run a hostess club too!!

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
This Majima saga stuff is going to turn me into a big blubbering baby, isn't it?

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
Omg. As You Like is still the hostess makeover music. I’m so loving happy.

Kiwami 2 is so loving good. Goddamn.

Also - I appreciate that Yuki got voiced and the whole side activity has so loving much more personality.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
Well, I feel like we get more of her here. Like I feel as if more care has been put into the K2 hostess story.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
I hope I'm not the only one that got to chapter 4 and immediately dumped 10 hours into Cabaret Club Grand Prix.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
The hostess game is so much easier in K2. They get experience much faster and the opponents are way easier to conquer.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
Only thing I hate in Kiwami 2 is how during some cutscenes, when characters talk, literally ONLY their mouth moves. Every other part of their face is completely frozen. It’s creepy, weird, and looks really loving bad and makes everyone look like robots.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
The hostess makeover music is still the best song in this series.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
Kiwami 2 is such a good fukkin game. Goddamn.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!

RareAcumen posted:

I'm replaying Kiwami 2 and actually taking my time on the Cabaret and trying to work up the enthusiasm to do more Clan Creator- I don't think I can do it. I've done like five or eight now and I'm only at 2 stars, this thing looks monstrously long.

I might've been a moron back in 0 too, is there a way to give your cabaret girls a break besides playing a round with different ones or still no?

Also, why the hell do you actually have stamina in long battles? I'm trying to attend a funeral here and I'm huffing and puffing like Link fresh out of his coffin in BotW.

I got all the DLC so clan creator is a fuckin breeze. There's only like 20 missions total. It feels like it moves so loving fast. Certainly faster than Cabaret club (though Cabaret club is my favorite mini game in any game ever).

For Cabaret club, I do two session before alternating. I try to split my hostesses into two equal groups and do two session each before alternating. So it might be 2 platinum, 3 gold, 4 silver, then 3 plat, 2 gold, 3 silver, or something like that. Generally equal splitting. One session will take them from big pink smiley to slightly reduced smiley. Then after the second session, I switch off and go with the other group. I mean, you could switch every session, but that is exhausting. One rank down from pink smiley is barely any stat penalty.

I would still loving kill for a Cabaret Club Grand Prix iOS game.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
Okay. The intro to Osaka castle was stupid.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
I would have been fine with the tigers, ninjas, and samurai. It's the loving splitting castle that is dumb as hell.

That being said - I would loving kill for like a Netflix/Amazon/HBO series of Yakuza with fight choreography done by the John Wick guys.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
As a new Yakuza player, it feels like Majima being "a thing" is only a recent development with these remakes. I don't know what anyone who played the original games even had to latch on to wrt Majima.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
VIRTUAL ON IS A loving BULLSHIT GAME AND DRAGS THE QUALITY OF KIWAMI 2 DOWN BY ITS MERE PRESENCE

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
Other than the intro to Osaka castle being goofy as hell, chapters 10-13 of Kiwami 2 are all A+++++.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!

History Comes Inside! posted:

Osaka castle is the most Yakuza thing in the whole game, stop hating

I loved everything inside Osaka castle. But the original shell splitting in half while another castle rises from the ground is the dumbest fuckin thing.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
Holy gently caress the ending to Kiwami 2 loving rules.

Crappy Jack posted:

I still say Yakuza 4's twist takes the cake on that. At least the castle is fun in its ludicrousness. 4 just takes a crap on logic and ruins a character's development.

Could you give me more details on that behind spoiler tags? I’m curious.

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Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
Sorry, Virtual On is a bad loving game. Maybe it plays better in arcades but with a controller it is 100% trash.

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