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RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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Randallteal posted:

I wish they would bring back the bloody/deformed thug faces. That was something I really missed in 5.



The best thing was when a guy had a pair of sunglasses, and after it's just hanging off his face missing a lens because YOU STOMPED ON HIS loving FACE TWICE.

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RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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My favorite thing is the Heat Moves where using it a bunch can trigger your character realizing they could actually be even more violent with it, and then just doing that from now on. Like after stomping a dude's head into a wall enough times, Akiyama realizes he could stomp the dude's head into the wall twice before scissor kicking him into the cement.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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Policenaut posted:

My personal theory is that challenging Kiryu is like some kind of practical joke for the thugs, Yakuza, and other denizens of Kamurocho. Like everyone got beat up by Kiryu when they were younger and when they get new recruits they're like "hey if you see this dude you should go shake him down it'll be easy!' and they just sit back and laugh.

4's gang encounters were a good explanation as well, with a ton of people deciding this is their chance to make a name when they learn Kiryu's back in town and then it turns out they're all being manipulated behind the scenes specifically to gently caress with Kiryu anyway.

I really don't know who sees Saejima and decides he's the bum they want to take their aggression out on, though.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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Detective No. 27 posted:

I enjoy that Kiryu became the fighting legend he is by seeing other people do sweet moves and going "THAT'S RAD!"

Yakuza 0 features the precise moment Majima realized knives were loving sweet.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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Jack-Off Lantern posted:

Yakuza Series drinking game : Drink when the word "traitor/betrayal" (uragiri(mono)) are said.

Finish the bottle if actual betrayal happens

Christ, Yakuza 4's final chapters would kill you if you played them too fast.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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They carefully rub each bill on their biceps and calves one by one, alternating until every one has been absorbed.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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Detective No. 27 posted:

So what's the relationship between Majima and Kiryu in the other games? They enemies or somethin?

In Yakuza 1, Majima is a secondary antagonist who insists that only he can be the one to defeat Kiryu.

By Yakuza 3, there's this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMbFuJKfk5E

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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If you like Majima, you should definitely play 4 and 5, because Majima and Saejima is some of the best Majima.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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ImpAtom posted:

I think this version of Majima is honestly my favorite. Majima in the other games is like at 11 at all times while here he's more like at 8-9 at all times and sometimes goes to 11, which I think works better.

I think they use him well to similar effect in 4 and 5, since he and Saejima as sworn brothers provides a good space for serious pathos as much as wacky Majima, which is how he works best. The whole end of Chapter 2 and beginning of Chapter 3 in 4 is maybe my favorite overall sequence of Majima material for just that reason.

E: I'm worried about Kiwami specifically because the Majima Everywhere system seems a bit too much 'wacky Majima' and too little 'serious but also still crazy Majima'.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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ImpAtom posted:

Yeah, that's true. I think 0 is just fresher in my mind (and also Majima's introduction in 0 is perhaps my favorite scene in the series.)

Majima's 0 intro is fantastic for emphasizing Majima's craziness as independent from his violence, which is an important feature that's lost in some other Majima moments.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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Ceramics posted:

There's no reason to use appstims in this one really. There's a CP upgrade called bottomless stomach that lets you keep eating even if you're full. Much quicker then eating a couple things, leaving, popping a stim, and going back.

e: legendary drinker of ryukyu still serves a purpose though. no upgrade to keep drinking i don't think.

I really appreciated 4 giving me impetus for just being drunk all the time out of the gate with Akiyama's drunkeness boost skills, because I went through most of the bars before even getting to Chapter 2.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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precision posted:

Just got to Majima's opening

Kill me now, all of life will be downhill from that

Majima truly is a consummate professional and supporter of the arts.

CharlestonJew posted:

basically any substory involving a child in yakuza ends on a really sweet note, which is a nice change of pace when most of the time you're dealing with some of the most outrageously evil people in existence.

The graffiti one in 4 is great for ending with Tanimura giving an uplifting speech about how you just need to try and believe even if things are bad, and you can get out of it, and then after the kids leave he and Zhao talk about how that's not true, but it's better to tell kids it is anyway. Saejima's extended kid substory in 4 is also great.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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ImpAtom posted:

To be fair the series goes all-in on the idea that Yakuza are scum of the earth, Kiryu just keeps getting pulled back into the world of crime despite wanting to spend his days helping orphans and singing Judgment.

Yeah, most of the yakuza who aren't garbage people are either exceptions like Kiryu, Saejima and Majima, or directly had it beaten out of them by a protagonist.

Samurai Sanders posted:

The way you say that makes it sound like it just happened on its own, and not that I pushed the triangle button and made Kiryu slam their face into a car door over and over again.

It's just nature correcting for them being idiots. Enough car doors and they'll be handing out energy drinks to everyone and apologizing for their rude behavior.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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Unlucky7 posted:

Hey, a box of nails! Wonder what the heat action for that is...

....

:stonk: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA:stonk:

EDIT: I don't know what I was expecting...

The best 'oh christ' weapon Heat Moves will always be the hot plate and pliers.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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precision posted:

The only thing I don't like about the localization is that sometimes Majima talks like he's in a totally radical 90s cartoon.

...wait, I just now realized I love that. Never mind.

Holy shitballs!

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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isk posted:

My experience with Amon is always the same: initial reaction of HOLY gently caress THIS IS BULLSHIT, followed by learning his pattern while feeling tension due to the consumables burned to get to that point, then finishing him off and proclaiming NEVER AGAIN.

Just did Amon in 4 and yeah, Saejima's hammer guy is a load of poo poo in a very special way that boils down to 'slam Staminan and just hope he falls before you do'.

As is Jo Amon calling in loving bombing runs but hey how else do you challenge Kazuma Kiryu at this point?

StarkRavingMad posted:

Majima, in the middle of a life-or-death battle with vicious bodyguards in an attempt to teach a deeply disturbed woman that there's more to life than money: "HOLY gently caress, I REALLY LOVE KNIVES"

RandallODim posted:

Yakuza 0 features the precise moment Majima realized knives were loving sweet.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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Fat Samurai posted:

Also I've just discovered the car door one :gibs:

There really should be more crossover between Sleeping Dogs and Yakuza. I want Kazuma to non-lethally shove a man's face in a rooftop fan intake.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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The Ultimate Skill Brawls in 4 are surprisingly fun once you get a sense of how to approach them.

The Ultimate Skill Chases can go straight to hell, though. gently caress that god drat piece of poo poo boat chase.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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Ryuga Death posted:

Majima gets great side stories and because he doesn't have to be stoic stiff face man, he has great reactions and comments about everything.

I dunno, being stoic stiff face man about things can also be a great reaction.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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Ratoslov posted:

And, most importantly, dress up in stupid costumes.

Doing Saejima's Dojo missions in 4 in his final mission suit was great. Felt like I was a real Yakuza underground fighting manager.

Man it really is weird that an apparently civilian and public dojo manages to advertise itself on its students winning tournaments in the secret underground fighting circuit that only super-cool fighters and also rich people know about.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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8-bit Miniboss posted:

Don't count him out just yet.

"Blood chub" is a wonderful turn of phrase.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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TheLoser posted:

Kiwami is supposed to have some extra bits to make the story fit in better with 0. Hard to believe we're getting two legit Yakuza games in one year's time. It's been so drat long since I touched the first game; I can't wait to go back.

For one, I think there's supposed to be more stuff about what happened with/to Nishki while Kiryu was doing time; apparently he spent ten years just getting poo poo on to the tune of 'if only it was you who'd gone to prison instead of Kiryu', so not surprising he'd become pretty bitter!

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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6 is just Kiryu.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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I'm incredibly happy I got onboard the series just before 0 blew up, because now I can still act special for having been into it before it was cool, but I also get to avoid the long-term agony of not knowing if the next one will actually get localized.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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precision posted:

Not for nothing, but I think what makes Akiyama the best Yakuza protag is that he actually, no kidding, has no ties to the Yakuza at all in 4 and in 5 he's like "hey, sure Kiryu, I'll keep your daughter safe".

Isn't he significantly younger than Kiryu/Majima/Saejima? What I'm getting at here is that he should be the sole protag for 7. PLEASE.

e: I get triggered every time I see Nishikiyama in his hot pink suit because it reminds me of my boy Aki-kun

Not disagreeing about cool guy Shun Akiyama deserving his own game and being the best, but the thing that brings him into the plot in 4 is that he's lent a bunch of money to a yakuza organization, and is super invested personally in Arai so I don't think you can say he's got no connections. It's the same laid-back charm and general good-heartedness as keeping an eye on Haruka that elevates him above that. Akiyama just wants to believe in people's potential!

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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precision posted:

Oh well yeah, I just meant he's never been in the Yakuza.

Oh then yes, ignore my dissent, we're on same page.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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lets hang out posted:

I had so much hope for Daigo at the end of 2, then he spent 3 in a coma, in 4 he was a bad guy somehow (aren't the yakuza supposed to steal money???), and in 5 he just ditched everyone for baseball reasons. :sigh:

Daigo's a bad guy in 4 because he crumples to the Ueno Seiwa and Munakata's pressure, instead of being a tough guy, because he thinks he's making the right choice for saving the Tojo and being strong like Kiryu. Then Kiryu beats him up and he realizes he's actually just been a big wimp.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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I finally am actually getting to play instead of just watching things on YouTube and reading here, and I have to say, I wasn't expecting people saying a hobo teaches you to shove money into yourself to get stronger to be literal, but here we are.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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You snap Komaki's neck three times in a single fight as part of Majima's tutorials.

It is still hard to swallow them building an entire gameplay segment just for Kiryu headshotting and exploding guys when everything else is all about 'no killing, ever!', without doing something to reconcile the two, but this is a situation where

Crappy Jack posted:

Just repeat to yourself "It's just a game, I should really just relax".

really is the best option. Yakuza is a slightly silly game and not always internally consistent.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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Most of the option sections where there's a right answer doesn't affect you completing the substory, it just determines some item reward where getting all the right answers gives you something marginally more valuable. You'll also sometimes get different dialogue, generally to the effect of 'wow, you did so well at this thing, are you sure you're new?' 'gee, I guess being a producer/boyfriend/masochist isn't that tough!' because Kiryu and Majima are just savants at anything they try.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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Oda wants to get drinks but I'm sure he'll understand if I spent a couple hours becoming a real estate tycoon.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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Holy poo poo Pocket Circuit is the hot-blooded toy car racing action I never knew I needed in my life.

Kazuma's loss reactions are full of so much emotion, it's incredible.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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Colostomy Bag posted:

If you get frustrated, http://www.khhsubs.com/rggzero/pocketcircuit.html will get you through. There are translation issues, but looking at the pictures and mapping the course names you'll figure it out in a couple minutes.

It's a well designed game. Without the guide you can spot what tires and bumpers are used for the CPU cars to give you a heads up.

I've been using the KHHSubs guide for certain stuff, but I've found that I don't actually want to with Pocket Circuit. It just feels so satisfying to tweak the parts myself until something clicks and suddenly I win instead of flying off the track or literally dying on a slope.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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Colostomy Bag posted:

That's cool and more power to you.

Wasn't trying to shame people for using solutions, either! Lord knows I've used my share of guides for similar purposes (such as purchasable properties because I just really want my porno theater empire money). Yakuza 0 is a fun game and if it isn't being fun for you then something that lets it be more fun is good.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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nerdz posted:

I remember seeing a similar article about the first one and the reponses were similar (they don't make yakuza like kiryu anymore, his tattoo sucks)

By the way, I think Kiryu is the only video game character where being completely unidimensional actually works. I remember being in awe how Kiryu never explained himself one single time after being framed for murder in the first Yakuza, against increasingly dangerous odds. He never gave a single gently caress.

Kiryu is built like a brick shithouse inside and out.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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MalarkeyToboggan posted:

His disappointed stare at the car when you lose is equally great.

He's disappointed in the car, but he's also disappointed in himself.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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Finally got back to playing in force last night and it really is impressive how smoothly things transition between 'buy this child a porn magazine to restore his faith that adults aren't liars' to (Chapter 6 spoilers)Kuze charging at you on a motorcycle in the sewers to Nishki and Kiryu's forest funtimes.

Kiryu taking the car and leaving Nishki in the middle of nowhere was my favorite part of that last one, by the way.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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AKIYAMA GAME

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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Boy, people weren't kidding about Chapters in this quickly boiling down to 'go to plot location and immediately be thrust into your next three plot battles before finding out you made enough money from real estate this chapter to buy 20 private jets'.

On the other hand, it is satisfying as gently caress to beat Kuze down with just unending Rush style punches.

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RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

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Cabaret Club Czar really is the standout side content of 0 across the board, and one of the best in the franchise.

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