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Weeping Wound posted:poo poo's going to get really ugly Indeed. We should just give the guy a hundred billion dollars and a podium in every school in America to keep things from getting ugly.
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The Kingfish posted:Milo is a dipshit but I don't think he is the fash. He's basically Trump for people under 40 who aren't hillbillies or Christians, which means he is both not personally the fash and also extremely useful to them
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It's an extremely complicated problem because they've set up a rhetorical no-win for any kind of resistance; direct violence means you're the brutal fascist you accuse them of being, exercising the force of legal or civil authority to make them gently caress off makes you censorious PC thought police, and standing in Designated Free Speech zones holding signs and chanting makes you spineless goofy SJWs. The only acceptable path is to just sort of let them do and say what they want. It's almost like the thought leaders intended that! The viral nature of the punch heard round the world was probably not a good thing, though, because a ton of people really want to be the guy who lands or films the next Richard Spencer punch.
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The Kingfish posted:The line that Milo is dangerous to students is obviously bullshit when it's his protestors who are setting fires and pepper spraying women. and yet nobody ever burned a campus down or shot a protester because newt gingrich was speaking it's disingenuous to pretend that he isn't a deliberately antagonistic piece of poo poo
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The Kingfish posted:Of course he is deliberately antagonist that's his entire schtick. Yeah. I don't think colleges should host speakers who are trolls doing a bit!
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The Kingfish posted:Effective political speech is often provocative. you're sending mixed messages here kingfish on this same page you dismiss him as a dipshit, but now seem to think it's fine for colleges to host him because he's an effective political speaker if he's a dipshit, why do you care if he's effective? why do you think it's a good thing for 20 year olds to be effectively proselytized to by a dipshit?
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Dicky B posted:fascist fascist fascist lmao fascist fascism the conservative tears thread is in qcs dude, report there.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:lol. yeah he is a con man who separates alt right dumbasses from their money and gets liberal assclowsn to start mini riots because he says lovely offensive things. i believe in bash the fash to an extent but he isnt worth it because it plays into his agenda to play the victim. also he kinda looks like james rolfe/avgn there. He targets individual people, humiliates them, and jokes about loving/raping them. The problem with the fash bashers is that they're pepper spraying co-eds in bitcoin hats instead of caving in that dude's skull. Aside from Spencer they're just bashing targets of opportunity instead of humiliating and ruining the people responsible for the movement. Baku has issued a correction as of 07:02 on Feb 3, 2017 |
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Bud K ninja sword posted:only thing dangerous about that guy is the frightening levels of hair frost Well, unless you're a trans student at one of the universities he visits. paranoid randroid posted:I think around about the point where you start singling out private citizens and members of the student body for harassment is when it stops being protected speech that the university should be paying for Yes, this is obvious to everyone who isn't an enormous idiot, which is why the only people who seem to defend him are college Republicans and internet garbagedicks.
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Velkest posted:if he's a conman, expose him. why are you so bad at this Benny Hinn is a televangelist who began magically healing people in 1983. He has been exposed as a fraud by, among other things, an HBO documentary and a Fifth Estate expose (which later aired on Dateline NBC). He has been red-flagged by Christian evangelical accountability groups like Ministry Watch. His ministry remains open, with thousands of followers, and he now hosts an online school of ministry you can join on his website for a fee. Herbalife is an international MLM (i.e. pyramid scheme) operating out of the Caymans that sells nutrition and weight loss products. It was founded in 1980. They have settled at least three class-action lawsuits alleging they're a pyramid scheme, been accused publicly of being a pyramid scheme by a hedge fund manager who did years of research and spent his own money to prove it, and most recently agreed to a $200 million settlement with the FTC. Something like 15% of their distributors, at least in the US, actually make a profit. Herbalife still claims to have over 3 million such distributors worldwide. In other words, exposing a conman doesn't always work. When many people want to believe something badly enough - that God loves them and will heal them, that working hard to hustle supplements will make them rich - it doesn't loving matter what the truth is, or how obvious you make it. This is, in fact, one of the few things that Milo is right about; telling people the truth is rarely good enough. You need the right messenger, you need to figure out how to package and sell it to the right people, and you're still probably never going to convince some of them. EDIT: For gently caress's sake, look at the Presidential election we just had. Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump were both flawed candidates running various small cons, and both the same big one: that they care at all about improving the quality of life of the bottom half of Americans. Both of them will have millions of true believers until the day you die, no matter what evidence of Clinton misdeeds and tonedeaf behavior comes to light, or how bad Trump fucks up the country and probably the world. Baku has issued a correction as of 13:04 on Feb 5, 2017 |
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Plucky Brit posted:I'm amazed that Americans are apparently fine with shutting down free speech for people with unsavoury views. this guy posted:Maybe some of the people in this thread haven't seen this, but it seems like yet again it's up to us Brits to show you the light: greetings, friend from the monarchist pedophile island that would be speaking german today if we hadn't come to save you from nazism last time
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IN THIS CORNER: umberto eco, world-renowned italian author and professor at (among others) columbia and harvard, who grew up under an actual fascist regime, who spent sixty years receiving accolades and honorary doctorates for writing about philosophy and what words mean, representing the view that fascism is a real and living ideology with an identifiable set of characteristics IN THE OTHER CORNER: some random guy from derbyshire-upon-fauntleroy who thinks that americans are dipshits despite this happening in his own country (and then the public voting in agreement w/ that guy) it's gonna be the contest of the century Baku has issued a correction as of 11:08 on Feb 6, 2017 |
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Bud K ninja sword posted:Honestly the liberal tutting is about the easiest thing in the world to ignore, it certainly doesn't even slightly compare to alt-right bigotry and the level they seem to take it to. I'm shocked that something liberals express is half-hearted, insincere, and ineffectual
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but in all seriousness gavin mcinnes wrote a sincere editorial about how I belong in a concentration camp so I really don't care if antifas mace his entire non-white family
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Montasque posted:Wait what? http://thoughtcatalog.com/gavin-mcinnes/2014/08/transphobia-is-perfectly-natural/ you can probably dig up the actual text somewhere, it was a huge controversy for thought catalog EDIT: some of those responses are loving great too; please enjoy the one by trans (former?) google employee justine tunney who believes she should be allowed to rule the world and own slaves Baku has issued a correction as of 19:14 on Feb 6, 2017 |
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Montasque posted:Don't see anything about concentration camps, but he says a lot of awful poo poo and flat out says Trans people arent real, just mentally ill gays and lesbians. Ah okay sorry, I guess I forgot exactly what was said bc it's been like 3 years and I just remembered it was so bad that it created an apocalyptic controversy for Thought Catalog that had pro-trans people boycotting the site over its being published and anti-trans people boycotting the site because they axed Gavin's article lol Also goddamn now I've been reminded that Justine Tunney exists; I wonder if she's full on alt-right these days because she's exactly the kind of nutjob who belongs in the OP but as far as I can tell it looks like she's mostly kept a low profile.
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Allen B West's site owns. WHOA: Look What We Found Out About the Judge Who BLOCKED Trump's Travel Ban quote:Robart, who was nominated to his position by former President George W. Bush in 2004, said the phrase “black lives matter” during a court hearing for a case in August 2016 concerning the Seattle Police Departments potential use of excessive force in a racially charged situation. That bastard............
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Scionix posted:im really diggin these "morals and principles for naive people" hot takes please keep em CMOING I'm sorry while you may be confused by Baloogan we post in english in cspam Kilmers Elbow posted:I'm anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-antifa not counting these dude
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Panzeh posted:40k is literally nazi fanfiction and it's no surprise that real life nazis would be into it since it 100% validates them. It's weird because I feel like the tone of Warhammer was satirical for a really long time and that that was literally the joke (i.e. the Empire is a parody nightmare theocratic bureaucracy) but I guess they figured out who was buying their game and reading their dime store paperbacks
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Zikan posted:video games are basically the only pop culture were there's a significant alt-right presence, mostly due to preexisting demographics. well, and the deliberate recruitment opportunity they exploited in FORBIDDEN TOPIC GOES HERE a couple years back ;D
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Thug Lessons posted:"Cultural Marxism" actually dates back to the Nazi regime where they called it "cultural Bolshevism". Yeah it doesn't require some specific thing like Frankfurt to explain, it's just the authoritarian right lumping together all the things they don't like to create unity (so that people who hate homosexuals will hate communists, and people who hate communists will hate homosexuals) It's kinda a thing everybody does, fascists just made up a dumbfuck name for theirs because they love stupid neologisms
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Mordekai posted:I think the same can be said of the copious labeling of fascists and nazis these days. I uh, literally said that it's something everybody does to their ideological enemies
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Mordekai posted:Who are sending people off to camps? What camps? And the beliefs you are quoting about Europe, muslims in France and antifa are not national socialist. It's right wing exaggerated propagnada, but not nazism. I think the idea is to do something to counter the progress of Islamophobia, homophobia, and white supremacy before people end up in concentration camps dude. He said "will be", not "are". You're right that hyperbole doesn't help, but not taking this poo poo seriously is part of why Donald Trump is in the White House and being advised by the executive chair of Breitbart. He's been POTUS for less than a month and we've already had an overreaching Muslim air travel ban (which is indiscriminately targeting brown-skinned Christians and Muslim American citizens) which has been enforced by various federal agencies in defiance of court orders. When are we allowed to start fretting?
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That said, it's also stupid not to call someone a fascist just because some people (many of whom are on the right, who love to call people they disagree with fascists, communists, or terrorists regardless of their actual values) used a word wrong sometimes. There are definitely ideological fascists within the alt-right, and people who deny that completely either don't understand the movement's ideological origins or set the bar for what qualifies as fascism so impossibly high that almost nobody counts, even people who openly discuss their admiration for and lineage from European fascist movements.
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Fiction posted:There's gotta be a way to stop them from coming considering that Milo has outed and harassed vulnerable members of the communities he's visited in the past. College admins are so useless that they can't even stand up to protect their own students. It seems like it'd be really loving easy to just keep him from coming, citing what happened *last time he came* as the good reason why he can't (because he's a loving campus security and PR hazard) A state university still isn't a public loving forum where they're obliged by law to give an official podium to any lunatic who asks for one and it's absolutely pathetic if they allow him and/or Jones to come back over this
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breaklaw posted:Not one single post as evidence of Milo being a fascist, a white supremacist or anything of the like. well I guess if he's not personally a literal fascist he's a good person and smart, and should keep on keeping on breaklaw posted:So what the gently caress does ranting like a lunatic about death camps and genocide look like to people? Which side does that make you more likely to take? middle america is reading something awful and being alienated!!!!
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:also, non-consensual sex is bad. look at this guy who thinks the concept of rape isn't a feminist conspiracy.
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Montasque posted:Also ironic or not, alt-right or not, nazi or not... the entire right, and especially the young voices on the right, are all promoting Islamophobia. Naw, there's a couple others they agree on, like transphobia and the idea that public education is now leftist radicalization Figuring out how to deal with the latter is actually interesting, because right-wing anger feels like an unavoidable consequence of teaching bias-laden subjects like history and sociology from perspectives other than a midcentury white American male one, but if you want to actually teach them accurately and fairly you have to do that And come to think of it, the transphobia of the young/alt right is mostly a result of that theory of education Baku has issued a correction as of 21:15 on Feb 11, 2017 |
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SpaceGoku posted:it isn't unconstitutional or unamerican at all yeah p much this, if you think (for example) that If I want to scream the n-word over 9,000 times consecutively or explain in detail why the earth is actually flat that universities (which also have a responsibility to effectively educate) are obliged to give me a platform, you're a loving idiot if you see a substantial qualitative difference in those kinds of speech and richard spencer's diatribes about the children of the sun or milo putting individual students on blast and basically going "GET EM", you're a loving nazi it's really not that complicated but for "some reason" a lot of people have extremely huge trouble with it, I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they just don't know what alt right dudes actually say and think they're just regular whitebread conservatives but given the op gives plenty to go on to research them I doubt it
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passionate dongs posted:where did this horribly stupid interpretation of free speech come from? this is like the number one shared belief amongst internet edgelords, its always articulated the same way, but i have no idea where it actually spawned from. stupid people and teenagers who want you to think they're very intelligent and open-minded are sympathetic to any anti-authoritarian sentiment, and we now live in a civilization where the majority of authorities say things like "homosexuals are people who deserve to be treated with human dignity" and "liberal democracy is a better system than autocracy or theocracy"
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Bud K ninja sword posted:lol, milo obviously hasnt been to any higher level math classes or he wouldnt be raging about just women in them. Hell, it's almost like he's a goofy nu media celebrity and not a daring rogue intellectual
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Bud K ninja sword posted:wait are you making the suggestion that he might not have any clue what he is taking about? Look dude it's very important the students of universities - institutions which exist principally to provide advanced educations and social networking for young/future professionals - be exposed to a range of voices, both those who have expertise and know what they're talking about, and those who don't.
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Montasque posted:This scandal had it's genesis from the Reagan Battalion - an ultra-right wing, LGBTQ hating, #NeverTrumper twitter account. Good. I hope if he doesn't lose that book money he snaps back at them with every dime he's got. May the right's house remain forever divided against itself.
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Fullhouse posted:lmao people are still loving defending Milo in the replies uhhh bad news about how part of the alt-right feels about statutory rape, especially of women, dude
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D1Sergo posted:"BUT LENA DUNHAM" people will be invoking lena dunham when natural disasters strike a hundred years from now
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Fullhouse posted:this is also the GBS thread, if you were wondering Big Transsexuals strike again!!!
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Bud K ninja sword posted:some other poo poo publisher is gonna pick it up for shocksales I mean, if they don't he'll just crowdfund it but either way a bunch of people won't bother to re-order, people buying it for their failsons as a gift or whatever will be like "wait what", etc
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Montasque posted:Southern deleted her tweet then re-tweeted this: goddamn how brokebrained do you have to be to be trans and alt-right the idea that transgender people are dangerous lunatics emblematic of everything wrong with liberalism and feminism is one of the most consistent positions within the movement
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