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Gorge is getting faster nearly every race and GiGi knows how to design bikes that Jorge likes. He'll get there.
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n8r posted:Gorge is getting faster nearly every race and GiGi knows how to design bikes that Jorge likes. He'll get there. Yeah honestly I've been pretty impressed with how Jorge has done this year. He's spent a lot more time in the lead than I expected, even if he hasn't turned it into wins. The progress is happening. And he can fight when he's got the bike for it. He'll get a win in '18 even if he's not a championship contender. Buhbuhj posted:Marc is also loving this poo poo. Every race where 1st has been contested he is glowing during the interviews. I love when you see them really having fun. When Marc and Rossi were scrapping in Marc's first season or two in GP was some of the best. Gay Nudist Dad fucked around with this message at 06:08 on Oct 17, 2017 |
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Gay Nudist Dad posted:Yeah honestly I've been pretty impressed with how Jorge has done this year. He's spent a lot more time in the lead than I expected, even if he hasn't turned it into wins. The progress is happening. And he can fight when he's got the bike for it. He'll get a win in '18 even if he's not a championship contender. Really separates the champions from the Setes of of the world.
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Gay Nudist Dad posted:Yeah honestly I've been pretty impressed with how Jorge has done this year. He's spent a lot more time in the lead than I expected, even if he hasn't turned it into wins.
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n8r posted:Gorge is getting faster nearly every race and GiGi knows how to design bikes that Jorge likes. He'll get there. It's not even worth acknowledging them anymore, just let the haters hate.
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:What explains this anyway? I feel like most races this year, he leads it for the first 2 or 3 laps, way out in front as if no one could touch him, and then falls back to finish 9th. Tires can't go off THAT fast can they? Why would he be so on and then off? Jorge is a bit of a robot rider. Once things start getting out of parameter he can't completely over come whatever the issue may be. It's also one of the reasons he doesn't have great success in the pack. When he has to change his lines and braking points to get around other riders, unless it's clear track in front of him, he can't seem to gather it back up quickly and keep going. When everything is mostly perfect, the guy is a hell of a rider, metronome laps and all. Eventually they'll get it figured out and deliver a bike to Jorge that will suit him completely.
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:What explains this anyway? I feel like most races this year, he leads it for the first 2 or 3 laps, way out in front as if no one could touch him, and then falls back to finish 9th. Tires can't go off THAT fast can they? Why would he be so on and then off? Looks to me like a bunch of different stuff. In a lot of cases he has the speed but hasn't yet learned to mitigate tyre wear or save fuel which seem to be a lot more critical on the ducati than they ever were on the Yamaha. So he's fast enough until the tyres expire, often this is exacerbated by him only being fast on the softest option. Sometimes he's known this to start with and just had no choice but to employ the Nicky Hayden strategy wherein he he goes as fast as he can at the start then attempts to control his plummet backwards so as to land somewhere in the top ten.In the wet races it's definitely partly psychological; he's able to be super quick in the wet provided it isn't actually raining. The lack of visibility is what hinders him more so than the water on the tyres I think. This particular race he had the same problem as everyone on the grid: the bike and tyres have a narrow water quantity/temperature window and where that window falls depends largely on the bike and preferred setup and the water quantity was too much for his tyres to play ball with his bike. The Michelins in general, both wet and dry, seem to have better performance than the Bridgestones when they're working right (nobody was using carbon brakes and being elbow down on Bridgestone wets), but have a super narrow happy zone and a lot of the time, some bikes just fall between or outside of the choices they bring. Last year it was Marquez falling afoul of having no front tyre hard enough for his style, and the Yamahas all struggled to warm up their tyres on cold days. This year everyone has gotten better at predicting Michelin's BS and consistency has improved accordingly. Regardless, all of this stuff are things he's mentioned before and will probably fix eventually. I'd argue he's learning faster than anyone else has before on their switch to red, the fact that he's got podiums at all is more than you'd expect with pretty much anyone else jumping on it for the first time (besides Marquez I suspect). It'll be interesting to compare how quickly Jack miller comes up to speed next year as I suspect coming from a Honda will give him a better skillset to start with.
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And it all makes sense now - George is Sebastian Vettel. Conditions have to be perfect, and he’s not the best elbows-out combat racer on the grid.
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My opinion is that Jorge sux and is bad.
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harperdc posted:And it all makes sense now - George is Sebastian Vettel. Conditions have to be perfect, and he’s not the best elbows-out combat racer on the grid. GTFO with this F1 bullshit. Even the worst most miserable rider on the gp grid (Karel Abraham in case you were wondering) has more sack and talent than anyone in F1.
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Oct 18, 2017 02:42
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And is more entertaining to watch in interviews. Except Jorge.
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Jorge is lame and I don't understand how people are acting like he's gonna challenge for the 2018 championship when he still falls apart half way into any given race on the Ducati.
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George has adapted faster to the ducati than any rider besides stoner (and his was so loving long ago it hardly bears comparison). Several times this year he's been faster than dovi despite dovi having a huge amount of experience on the bike and clearly being one of the strongest riders this season. He 'falls apart' because he still hasn't gotten a feel for an effective race strategy on that bike, as mentioned by myself a few posts up from yours. It's pretty hilarious to say he 'still' falls apart when every other successful rider they've had (again apart from stoner) has taken several years to even get into podium contention and he's managed to do it in half a season. Fanboy bullshit is for other sites, the expectation here is that you aren't an idiot and try to actually understand what's happening instead of just drooling and waving your yellow/red/orange flag.
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:And is more entertaining to watch in interviews. Except Jorge. In a shocking turn of events even Pedrosa has developed a personality in the last few years. Maybe there's hope for George yet....
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If you don’t enjoy the small pleasure that is Lorenzo telling journalists that Zarco rides like a video game then I can’t help you.
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Slavvy posted:GTFO with this F1 bullshit. Even the worst most miserable rider on the gp grid (Karel Abraham in case you were wondering) has more sack and talent than anyone in F1. Hi yeah that’s not my point of comparison whatsoever. Jorge needs the bike a certain way, and wins races predominantly by leading from the front and strangling the life out of it. Vettel needs his And FWIW either Vale or Marc would do well in top-class car racing because their race craft and read of grip is so drat good. Doing that with your rear end in the saddle is different than in a cockpit, but I think their skills would transfer well.
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All of that implies passing happens in F1 and I've yet to see evidence of that  Also, Lorenzo isn't bad in a battle. That's largely an internet myth and if you go back and actually watch some races you'll find many where he's had to fight for positions, especially in his earlier years on the Yamaha before he figured out how to be so fast from the start that he didn't need to battle. Indeed even several times this year he's rallied from quite far back when other riders tyres have dropped and gained several positions in the closing stages. Slavvy fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Oct 18, 2017 |
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Slavvy posted:George has adapted faster to the ducati than any rider besides stoner (and his was so loving long ago it hardly bears comparison). Several times this year he's been faster than dovi despite dovi having a huge amount of experience on the bike and clearly being one of the strongest riders this season. He 'falls apart' because he still hasn't gotten a feel for an effective race strategy on that bike, as mentioned by myself a few posts up from yours. It's pretty hilarious to say he 'still' falls apart when every other successful rider they've had (again apart from stoner) has taken several years to even get into podium contention and he's managed to do it in half a season. I don't think its necessarily race strategy as much as it is tire management, he's lead close to if not more laps than Dovi this season but he's blowing his load like a 13 year old at a strip joint instead of saving it for when it matters, maybe they can fix that with the bike but I suspect that its more intrinsically linked to the engine's power delivery and that's not going to be something they want to change. I find it hard to follow the arguement that him getting into the podium is a huge success story when this year's bike is clearly the best one since the Stoner era and Yamaha has taken a huge step backwards this year, but then again I'm just a drooling idiot fanboy so what do I know?
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This year's bike is almost identical to last year's bike, dovi has said so himself. The main difference is IMO ducati have figured out how to get the best out of the tyres on a consistent basis and yamaha haven't while honda sort of have and are leaning on a marquez shaped crutch. George is doing better than petrucci, a guy on the exact same bike with several years' ducati experience under his belt. George has also switched almost his entire crew (including, crucially, crew chief) and is having to learn the ropes of ducati's organisation and culture and way of working at the same time as getting to grips with a bike that he effectively has to test while racing. Race strategy and tyre management are the exact same thing. To whit: Slavvy posted:Looks to me like a bunch of different stuff. In a lot of cases he has the speed but hasn't yet learned to mitigate tyre wear or save fuel which seem to be a lot more critical on the ducati than they ever were on the Yamaha. So he's fast enough until the tyres expire, often this is exacerbated by him only being fast on the softest option. Sometimes he's known this to start with and just had no choice but to employ the Nicky Hayden strategy wherein he he goes as fast as he can at the start then attempts to control his plummet backwards so as to land somewhere in the top ten.In the wet races it's definitely partly psychological; he's able to be super quick in the wet provided it isn't actually raining. The lack of visibility is what hinders him more so than the water on the tyres I think. I'll add that at Austria, he was noticeably faster than dovi at the start of the race but ended up going backwards because he failed to conserve his fuel load and ended up on the lowest-power setting after just a few laps, while dovi did it all with his wrist. Experience matters a lot and he's learning with every race. I am the absolute last person who would defend lorenzo, I'm very much not a fan of him or his personality, but he's been objectively impressive this year and isn't crashing and burning anywhere near as much as I expected him to.
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On Lorenzo's good days he's impressive to watch. Exciting - not particularly - but impressive. I can't really recall any examples of hard fought battles that he's had, but I'm sure they have happened. I don't really have the memory of races like some people do. Lorenzo reminds me of a modern day Biaggi in riding style. Biaggi was a lot more hateable - but man what a pretty rider.
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Most of his hard fought battles were against pedrosa who IMO is faster and better on his day but his day is like one in six races instead of nearly all the time like George on the Yamaha. Not counting the ones he lost to Rossi. Biaggi was a MUCH bigger oval office for sure.
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Valencia 2014 (? Marquezs first gp championship year) was some good fighting with Lorenzo
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2014 Silverstone in particular where he rides rights through Marquez's leg for the win. Really makes his bitching about people touching him transparently bullshit.
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It seems like a Spanish thing, gibernau was the same and vinales is shaping up the same. Marquez is the exception.
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Ducati seems to be trying to make things harder on themselves. Top Ducati is Dovi, but he's way back in 11th place. Though Jorge is going to have his issues this weekend, crashing out in one of the free practice runs and spraining his ankle. First row is Marquez, Vinales, and Zarco.
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WSBK doesn't matter much now as Rea already won the title, but the WSBK circus is in Jerez this weekend. Race one, Melandri lead for most of the race only to have the Ducati give up and die with four laps to go.
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Skreemer posted:Ducati seems to be trying to make things harder on themselves. Top Ducati is Dovi, but he's way back in 11th place. Though Jorge is going to have his issues this weekend, crashing out in one of the free practice runs and spraining his ankle. Man I want Zarco to get a win.
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That was brilliant. Love Rossi and Marquez's interviews, always so happy to have had a close race, that's what makes them so much fun.
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Redvenom posted:That was brilliant. Love Rossi and Marquez's interviews, always so happy to have had a close race, that's what makes them so much fun. "The guys up front are really aggressive, you just have the be more stupid." drat good race. I feel bad for Zarco that Vinales positioned himself perfectly for the double slipstream and stole away 3rd.
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Redvenom posted:That was brilliant. Love Rossi and Marquez's interviews, always so happy to have had a close race, that's what makes them so much fun. Oh yeah, for sure. Not like that complainer, Lorenzo. I remember 2 years ago when Rossi and Marquez were having all kinds of fun and smiles.
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So long, dovi. Was a fun dream while it lasted but sweaty Spaniards will always prevail in the end.
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Zarco was robbed, but man what a race.
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Malaysia GP this weekend: Marquez makes an amazing save in FP4, then drops the bike during qualifying. Rossi set the top time of the weekend so far in FP3 with a 1'59.947, but then that's been beat during qualifying. Pedrosa, Zarco, Dovi, Rossi, Vinales, Lorenzo, Marquez, Rins, Ianone, Crutchlow, Miller, Espargaro is the first 12, there were about 5 pole position changes in the last minute of qualifying. The faintest glimmer of hope for Dovi.
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This is as weak as Marquez is likely to get, and as strong as dovi can expect. Crazy poo poo can and does happen.
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