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Like, what was the reason for making England a police state? They weren't using all that downtrodden labor for anything special, and the party elite were basically living like normal lower middle class dudes.
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What's the point of anything, really.
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Jan 27, 2017 23:54
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The point of 1984 is to remind us that we all love big brother.
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Jan 27, 2017 23:55
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power for the sake of power
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Jan 27, 2017 23:57
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It was rooted in a disagreement over the size of trains.
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Jan 27, 2017 23:58
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namesake posted:It was rooted in a disagreement over the size of trains. Forget it Jake, it's Tiny Train World.
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Jan 28, 2017 00:00
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the point of 1984 was that it's good to snitch on commies, queers, and jews. for queen & country
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Jan 28, 2017 00:12
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Work Friend Keven posted:What's the point of anything, really. 
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shove me like you do posted:The point of 1984 is to remind us that we all love big brother. some of us don't anymore
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Jan 28, 2017 00:34
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To fund Orwell's morphine addiction by playing to brits' fears of government overreach
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One thing to remember, it wasn't England, it was Airstrip One. It was part of Oceania, and it's implied that nation comprises the former UK, and also the Western Hemisphere, including the US. It's never implicitly stated, IIRC, but it's likely that the US is the one pulling the actual strings. Therefor, Airstrip One is a police state because it's basically a large military base. Orwell only gives the history that impacts the characters in the story.
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VikingSkull posted:One thing to remember, it wasn't England, it was Airstrip One. It was part of Oceania, and it's implied that nation comprises the former UK, and also the Western Hemisphere, including the US. It's never implicitly stated, IIRC, but it's likely that the US is the one pulling the actual strings. orwell doesn't actually give us any reliable history at all. one thing that foreign correspondents in nazi germany used to report is that even though they read foreign news every day, they would be so overwhelmed by the constant domestic propaganda that they'd have trouble keeping track of what was real and what was entirely fiction. so, too, is it the case in the world of 1984 - much of our knowledge comes from goldstein, who himself is likely a complete fiction invented by the state. outside of the actual events we witness in 1984, we have no idea what the world looks like.
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namesake posted:It was rooted in a disagreement over the size of trains. guardian op-ed writers are the philosopher kings we need
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Jan 28, 2017 01:09
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Apparently he went and hosed that lady in the woods and she turned out to be a spy, or something.
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Jan 28, 2017 04:31
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What color was the sash that let everybody know you were not into having sex and you could not be found in the club? Anyway, I always wondered what Orwell was trying to say with the fanatical celibates.
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Jan 28, 2017 04:46
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orwell wanted to cash in on the dystopia craze started by brave new world it worked out pretty well, I guess
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Jan 28, 2017 05:07
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four legs good, two legs bad op
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Jan 28, 2017 07:25
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3rd leg best
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Rand alPaul posted:Apparently he went and hosed that lady in the woods and she turned out to be a spy, or something. what a playa
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Jan 28, 2017 07:50
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You're supposed to get over yourself and love Big Brother.
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If Big Brother kills a lot of kulaks I am okay with it.
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bang until you're free
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There was a third world war, nukes, something, don't remember.
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Big brother always wins because he has set the board, and he owns all the chess pieces, and he gives not one drat about your comfort or what you hold dear. It's a basic synopsis on the current state of politics, and is a chilling foretelling of Reagan's, and now, Trump's America! Lindsey O. Graham has issued a correction as of 09:12 on Jan 29, 2017 |
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Jan 29, 2017 09:06
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A sturdy pair of boots is a good long-term investment
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Jan 29, 2017 09:13
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farenheit 1984 is how hot you have to get a book before it burns
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BNW seemed like a utopia to me. 1984 is a better read though imho
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Concerned Citizen posted:orwell doesn't actually give us any reliable history at all. one thing that foreign correspondents in nazi germany used to report is that even though they read foreign news every day, they would be so overwhelmed by the constant domestic propaganda that they'd have trouble keeping track of what was real and what was entirely fiction. so, too, is it the case in the world of 1984 - much of our knowledge comes from goldstein, who himself is likely a complete fiction invented by the state. outside of the actual events we witness in 1984, we have no idea what the world looks like. Yeah for all we know outside of Britain the entire world is just trucking on like normal.
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Uh, the dude explains the whole point in the big climax. It's the best part!quote:"Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives.
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the black husserl posted:Uh, the dude explains the whole point in the big climax. It's the best part! DON'T LISTEN TO THIS loving GOLDSTEINIST!!!!!
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Never do a sex
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The Brown Menace posted:Never do a sex thot police
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The point is that totalitarianism sucks, op.VikingSkull posted:One thing to remember, it wasn't England, it was Airstrip One. It was part of Oceania, and it's implied that nation comprises the former UK, and also the Western Hemisphere, including the US. It's never implicitly stated, IIRC, but it's likely that the US is the one pulling the actual strings.
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The book is utter shite mate
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the black husserl posted:Uh, the dude explains the whole point in the big climax. It's the best part! will you stop quoting steve bannon
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soma from brave new world sounds awesome and i want it
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there's a bit where he buys a drink for a really old prole guy to see if the guy remembers anything about the old world or how everything got al hosed up and the guys just like "I miss pints, why don't they serve beer in pints anymore litres are bullshit".
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