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Commie NedFlanders posted:Anwar al Awlaki is a fine debate to have, start a thread OP you should read this book: https://www.amazon.com/Nuremberg-Diary-G-M-Gilbert/dp/0306806614 it's fascinating. and yes Goebbels deserved to die.
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:Does anyone have recommended reading on the inception and rise of the Nazi party or on the Nuremberg trials? https://www.amazon.com/Hitler-Rise-...rise+nazi+party this would be a good book for starters. there is a lot of material, academic and popular about the rise of Hitler, the Nazis and subsequent events. It also does need to be seen in the context of post World War One Europe, with an understanding of Germany's position, the brutality of the war, the Treaty of Versailles all playing into the eventual development and success of the Nazi Party.
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Jan 30, 2017 05:28
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Flowers For Algeria posted:An idiotic approach. Are you advocating the firebombing of major American urban centers in order to stop America from starting new wars? now we're getting somewhere!
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Feb 15, 2017 03:37
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Goebbels should have been hung drawn and quartered
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Feb 15, 2017 04:19
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but instead of horses he should have been pulled apart by a Rabbi, a gypsy, a homosexual and a disabled person.
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Feb 15, 2017 04:19
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I think the point is that even if they wanted to stop the rape of Germans by the Red Army, the Russian commanders would not have been able to for a host of organisational and logistic reasons. Russian soldiers often had to steal boots and weapons from dead combatants as there were not enough. Your notions of a modern, well drilled, well organised army are simply not applicable to this situation. People resorted to cannibalism at Stalingrad, the war in the east was brutal, let us not forget that the Nazis, the SS, the Eintstatz commandos destroyed whole villages, cities and wiped out the jews in Eastern Europe, the movie Come and See is set in Bellorussia for example. The Russians inflicted on the Germans what had been done to them. That's not to say it was right, but the Nazis behaved appallingly in Eastern Europe (understatement of the century), and also the Russians were the first to liberate the Concentration camps as well. They witnessed and experienced the full depth of the Nazi depravity.
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Feb 17, 2017 06:22
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Well clearly it was uncontrollable because they raped a metric gently caress ton of women. I mean it's not like rape as a part of war has ever been out of fashion though.
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Feb 17, 2017 06:27
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Soldiers of every country rape if they can get away with it. This is part of war and has been since the dawn of human civilisation, and continues to be so.
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Feb 17, 2017 06:33
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stone cold posted:This is pretty insanely sexist. Gengis Khan raped enough women that he's left a genitic marker in millions of people. The US army had 26,000 + sexual assaults against Female soldiers in 2012 according to a pentagon estimate. Their own drat soldiers!
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Feb 17, 2017 06:34
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stone cold posted:Men: they're all like Chinggis Khan! erm, men on men rape is still being committed by men?!?!! my point is that rape is a tool of war and has been for all of human history right up to this day.
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Feb 17, 2017 06:39
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Goebbels was def guilty
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Feb 17, 2017 06:41
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I didn't say it was valid or right. Just that it is. Like it or not. The geneva conventions didn't stop Americans raping in Vietnam, didn't stop all the US trained death squads in south america from raping. Doesn't stop ISIS from raping. This is one of the reasons I abhor war, because it is the supreme crime from which all others follow, and that includes rape.
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Feb 17, 2017 06:45
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stone cold posted:Asserting that all men are rape monsters detracts from the abnormality and therefore undermines the scale of the atrocity of the mass rape, you idiot. Rape in war is the norm, not the unusual. The only remarkable thing about the Russian rape of Germany was the scale. Actually, if you look at the Rape of Nanking maybe even the scale wasn't that remarkable. it's not all men, it's soldiers. There's a difference.
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Feb 17, 2017 07:08
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If you want a really interesting documentary about how people can commit murder and rape watch the documentary The Act of Killing. It's fascinating and chilling. Also this is an incredible documentary on what war + killing does to people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0m573MxXXw
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Feb 17, 2017 07:10
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The Kingfish posted:Act of Killing isn't really a good example of what we're talking about because those dudes were monsters from the start. But killing people and watching people be killed and discovering massacres and constant existential fear will turn you into an unhuman. yeah those dudes got their ideas from gangster movies lol it was more the bit where the guy casually talks about raping a 14 year old girl "it will be hell on earth your you, but for me it will be heaven"
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Feb 17, 2017 07:19
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Well US soldiers rape their colleagues so I don't think this is too surprising.
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Feb 17, 2017 07:23
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Not all soldiers.
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Feb 17, 2017 07:24
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stone cold posted:And where do the men who are soldiers who are victimized fit into your paradigm of "beep bop all soldiers are rape monsters?" are you loving retarded, not all soldiers rape, but a large number do. and who knows maybe the ones that get raped also rape??! being a victim doesn't mean you can't be a perp. I think you're the one being a bit beep boop here.
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Feb 17, 2017 07:25
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stone cold posted:So you're not gonna read the articles because they conflict with your very dumb worldview, got it. why are you denying that rape happens in war?
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Feb 17, 2017 07:26
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stone cold posted:Why are you denying culpability of actors and simply tossing your hands up and going "well gee, rape is inevitable, best let it slide, boys will boys will be soldiers will be rape monsters?" that's not what I am saying at all? it's not boys will be boys, they're criminals and should be punished when it happens. but we shouldn't be surprised when it does because it is part of war and has been for all of human history. no, not every single soldier ever has raped, but it happens in pretty much every war to a lesser or greater degree. it is one of the reasons why war is loving disgusting and people who champion wars are awful.
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Feb 17, 2017 07:29
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"it's okay rape in armies isn't a systemic and fundamental problem with war itself, it's just a few bad apples"
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Feb 17, 2017 15:30
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Brainiac Five posted:I see we have someone else eager to write rape off as a natural phenomenon that cannot be eliminated. Guilty conscience, perhaps? IT CAN BE ELIMINATED BY NOT HAVING WARS YOU loving IMBICILE rape as a part of war is not a natural phenomenon like the weather, in a war people are able to kill who they like with impunity, some of them like it, they can literally get away with rape and a lot of people do this. also rape is used strategically, some commanders encourage it. this is not new or shocking information. if you support war, you essentially support rape.
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Feb 17, 2017 15:37
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 stalingrad  villages tortured + killed by germans, russian soldiers look at them  heads of polish officers  russian pows in stalingrad http://www.elconfidencial.com/multimedia/ stalingrad  germans about to shoot women  dead russian POWs imagine seeing poo poo like this for a few years
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Feb 17, 2017 16:01
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if you train people to kill other human beings, rape loses its taboo status to them. hope this helps.
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Feb 17, 2017 16:07
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Brainiac Five posted:Look, if condemning rape and rapists would mean condemning yourself, you should still have the courage to do so instead of aligning yourself with evil. are you actually retarded? rape is an awful thing and rapists in a time of war are awful people who should face justice for their crimes. however, none of this changes the fact that war creates the situations in which people rape. you are not going to be able to have a war without rapes occurring, just as you will not have a war without civilian casualties. it does not happen, will not happen and can not happen because that is the way wars work.
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Feb 17, 2017 16:12
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Kopijeger posted:Reverse GIS suggests that this is from the Katyn exhumation. "imagine doing poo poo like this for a few years" would be more appropriate. Or are you blaming the massacre on the NatSocs, even though the Soviet Government admitted (back in the late 1980s) that Stalin ordered it? well yeah, in that case imagine doing that poo poo for a few years. rape doesn't seem like such a big deal then does it? the point is atrocities were committed on all sides and are awful, trying to eliminate a specific type of atrocity "our army doesn't rape" "our army doesn't kill women" "our army doesn't kill children under the age of 12" "our army doesn't rape children" "our army doesn't kill civilians" having these sort of aims when you are in a war or instigating is futile endeavour because war leads to all of these things.
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Feb 17, 2017 16:15
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Brainiac Five posted:You're insisting rape is an inevitable phenomenon that cannot be stopped without eliminating violence, which is a handy justification for it. Why someone would attempt to justify it if they didn't have a skull that was caved in is, um, fairly obvious to me. Maybe you're just really stupid/enamored with how much of a realist you are? you think you can have war without rape?
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Brainiac Five posted:So it was wrong to resist Nazism? are you actually retarded?
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