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oh wow Ok here we go Are there really guns like loving everywhere? People walk around with handguns and poo poo? That can't be real. How does having no healthcare as a national service reconcile with being a 'great country' or whatever the gently caress? Do you cringe when people stand up and say poo poo like 'the greatest country on earth!!'? Do you find it unbearably arrogant and self-absorbed? How do you perceive the rest of the world sees you? Where else have you been in the world? (this is a direct question to whoever answers my questions) What is great about being American? What was the last meal you had? In detail please Thanks! p.s. I actually love you stupid fucks and have a career parroting American poo poo and get all teary at the Apollo program and all that. It has to be a tough love though because sometimes, what the gently caress are you doing KaiserSchnitzel posted:Every day I put on my MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN hat and drive my pickup truck around looking for minorities to run over as I drive from McDonald's to McDonald's to order Big Macs and chocolate shakes. I am fat and I love Jebus. The world is flat and the fundamental tenets of science are all clearly wrong. dad? Tony Montana fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Feb 2, 2017 |
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Thanks for those replies. They were good. I think that is part of being American and I value it. Part of being American to me (a non-American) is the belief in freedom of speech and the right of people to express their views. That's a very apple pie, eagles flying kind of morality, but it's undeniably American and admirable. This forum is an example of it.
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D.N. Nation posted:I live in Atlanta, about a mile from downtown. Yeah but also don't forget I'm in Melbourne, Australia. Population is over 4 million. That's little old Australia and that's not even our capital. Yes the scale is a thing to remember though. Particularly when I hear people generalizing about Americans I usually say something like - there is 350 million of them. There are as many people in NYC as there is in our whole country. So yes, of course they are rasict. and stupid. and whatever else you want to say, they're all that and a whole lot more too. There are so many people that there are MILLIONS of people on either side of pretty much any moral or issue you care to name. Just as there are bigots and idiots there are some of the greatest minds on Earth. You cant generalize about a population of 10 million let alone 350.
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A weird consistent thing seems to be Americans have trouble understanding pretty much anyone that isn't an American. You'll see subtitles under English productions (as in produced in England). Any thick accent needs subtitles. But that's surely just a by-product of how inward facing many Americans are, it was pretty much said in this thread and there was no apology about it. Anyway, I heard this today and it's stuck with me. A GREAT SOCIETY is NOT one where it is easy to get a gun and hard to get healthcare.
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It's on shows that come from the US. I can find examples but I think anyone that isn't American knows exactly what I'm talking about. It's not hard to get healthcare, you just need a job first - An American I don't want to turn this into a slinging match, but the reason I wrote the line above is because it's a window in 'What it is to live in the US'. How a society cares for it's least fortunate, those that can't get a 'job' in the traditional sense - it's it's true measure. The fact that the Donald Trumps of America are comfortable has never been the question, it's what about the people dying/starving on the street? Tony Montana fucked around with this message at 03:35 on Feb 8, 2017 |
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Yeah but it goes on. The reasons Americans think they way they do about healthcare, from what I've been able to see, is something about socialism and perhaps it's roots in communism. It's a genuine belief in some Animal Farm logic, where people are corruptible and if you give them power over others nothing else can happen other than inefficiency and corruption. It's a key defining point, the idea that the free market is somehow 'fairer' or more just than a government department. I just find that completely ludicrous. The entire mandate of a private company is to make profit, there is no mistaking that. A private company always has to pay it's shareholders first and then it's employees and society can fit in somewhere down the bottom or wherever it's convenient to us. If you think CSR (corporate social responsibility) is a real thing and a solution to government owned services, then you are stupid and don't know what the gently caress you're talking about. If you've ever been on the inside of corporate CSR programs you will learn the intention is to appear to do good, get the most goodwill for the dollar as opposed to actually championing societal change. For the country that goes on endlessly about democracy (there is a political party named after it, in Australia it's just Liberal and Labour and that's it. They do what you'd think they do, Liberal is smart people with degrees pushing for more private ownership and Labour is government handouts and strikes and basically lower-class rubbish, you can probably guess which side I am on) how can your government entities not be accountable and transparent enough so you can trust them to do the things you cannot effectively do privately? Healthcare and Education. These things should not be private. Dollars and financial bottom lines are not the outputs of these critical societal structures. You cannot assess them as you assess a for-profit company like a trader about to buy stock. Healthcare and Education are cost centers that provide non-monetary benefits for society, so they should be funded by the society as a whole and held accountable directly to those people. So that's just one of the things that English and Australians look at Americans and think 'what the gently caress are they thinking' edit: or you can assess hospitals and schools on their 'bottom lines' but this produces outcomes that are not what you want! If a hospitals primary consideration is expenses over how many people it's helped, that is a lovely hospital! Exactly the same way if Doctors are more interested in their wallets than helping people, those are bad doctors and in Australia we implemented a series of interviews for med students to weed this poo poo out. Yes, you may have an amazing score and have beautiful flowing hair and an academic marvel in everywhere, but if you're arrogant dick and we perceive your 'bedside manner' is going to suck, then go an be a stock broker or something because you're not being a Doctor in Australia. Tony Montana fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Feb 8, 2017 |
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Sure, Ill find some examples and get back to you.
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Tiggum posted:Are you the Australian version of Jastiger? Is your reference American? I am not American. See, assuming someone is going to know what you're talking about because it's AMERICAN and what else is there? is some really classic American stereotypical poo poo. I have no idea who Jastiger is, perhaps that's a reference from your culture and your culture isn't my culture. Some of it is, plenty of it is not. Anyway anyone saying that there isn't two real political parties in Australia isn't being truthful. Just the same as the US, vote for the Greens, vote for some random party that's going grab a couple of seats, but the race is between two. Just as in the US. No I meant Labour is labour, as in imagine physical labour. Imagine dockworkers and unions and all that poo poo. Labour is the party that wants more money for schools but aint so hot on the details on where to spend it. Labour famously decided Australia should have the NBN, which is fibre to everyone's doorstep. Which is a loving ridiculous and stupid idea and that is a lot of the reason it's still not done. Look worldwide, nobody else does this poo poo. It's a bunch of professional bullshitters playing at being in charge. Liberal on the other hand would encompass much of the IT profession (we negotiate our own salaries, get that loving union away from me, etc) and the Liberal plan was a mix of technologies, wireless, fiber and others used in the most effective way. But hey, fibre for everyone right?! Who cares what it costs?! Yes. These are stupid people.
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gently caress, it is spelt like that. Well there you go, they can't even spell their name right. In this country its with a U and adopting an overseas spelling is.. typical. Whatever, go away. Either talk to the Americans about being American or just gently caress off, because I don't want to talk to you. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Feb 8, 2017 08:14
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What is this, a fan club? Can you stupid faggots just shut the gently caress up and actually address the topic at hand?
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Feb 8, 2017 08:25
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Can you tell me why you have the gun? I'm just interested how your head gets to 'I should put a pistol in my nightstand'. That sounds crazy to me, but I'm not you.
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I'm with Tiggum. For me, what jumps out is you actually don't think the police can protect you. Is that part of being an American? Do you honestly believe something could go down and your police wont keep you safe?
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If the innocent parties aren't white, the police won't protect them. Is that what you're saying? Or is that hyperbole and you're perpetuating myths?
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It's not a hosed up world, man. America is hosed up, like really hosed up. Healthcare is hosed Guns are hosed There is no real police force This isn't the world, England and Australia are nothing like this. I'm waiting for some other American to come in here and call you all bullshitters, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen. What a crazy loving place. It doesn't make it less crazy, but I kinda understand some of that insane middle eastern American hate, because America invades countries to promote the American way of life.. but the American way of life is a loving disaster. edit: I have a Californian that works with me. His accent is still thick. He seems to be quite happy where he is, I am rapidly understanding why. edit2: it's not that simple. There are millions of Americans with good jobs and all the mod cons and faster Internet than me. As it's always been said, being and American with money is quite a good thing. But I'm getting some of the crazy fear in BFC about frantically saving for retirement, because holy poo poo you do NOT want to drop below that poverty line. Tony Montana fucked around with this message at 09:24 on Feb 9, 2017 |
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