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I keep and breed livestock guardian dogs. On the 21st, Belle ( 3/4 Pyrenees, 1/4 Anatolian) gave birth to 12 puppies. The sire is Boot, who is 100% Pyrenees.  Here's what they looked like as tiny skeletons!  One was stillborn and we lost one early on but the remaining 10 are 8 days old now and fat and happy. I set up a webcam so that I can monitor them without being on top of them 24/7 and decided to stream it because why not. Feel free to watch my potatoes! (they do basically nothing right now because they are grubs but hey, puppies.) Here's a link to the twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/bucam2017
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TEN puppies! 
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Jan 30, 2017 23:00
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Mom's back!
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Jan 31, 2017 05:15
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Belle has been great for a first time mom, I couldn't be more impressed with her. Depending on how her pups turn out, she has more than earned a retirement in the house sleepin' on the sofa forever after a couple more litters (which obviously will be spaced widely to not put too much strain on her.) If she wants it that is;she is a working dog and if she would prefer to keep working that's up to her. All her pups are going to working homes and I have the highest hopes for all of them.
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Jan 31, 2017 07:56
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I'm going to keep a boy out of this litter. I have my eye on a couple, but we will see how they do with the stock before I make my decision.
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Jan 31, 2017 07:58
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This has been a bad week for me but your livestream is making it better.
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Jan 31, 2017 09:26
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Glad to know I can be of service 
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Jan 31, 2017 10:02
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They're beginning to degrubify.
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Feb 5, 2017 19:33
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Watching them feed, you wonder how they possibly could all get their turn. That's a lot of puppy. Also that one that's currently in the middle left puppy pile, might be part cow. Fatty.
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Feb 6, 2017 03:20
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Uh oh! Two puppies just escaped! http://imgur.com/a/Dm7ZT Edit: Yeah Human saved the day! One of them got caught in a bag or towel? Or something. He came right into view struggling and then the human came just in time. Whew. pandaid fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Feb 8, 2017 |
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Feb 8, 2017 14:22
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Uh oh! Cam offline. :[
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Feb 9, 2017 02:30
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where boot neck?
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Feb 9, 2017 05:26
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pandaid posted:Uh oh! Two puppies just escaped! YEAH there should not have been a bag on the floor where an escapee could get caught, that was my bad. I picked up any potential hazards in there and put up a barrier to prevent future escapes. They're getting very mobile! thatbastardken posted:where boot neck? Belle has a really long neck, maybe she stole it I'm hoping that between them their children will be Normal Necked Dogs CharlesM posted:Uh oh! Cam offline. :[ Yeeeahhhhh It was my anniversary yesterday and I was out for the night and it got bumped and lost its charge, should be good now though!
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Feb 10, 2017 04:28
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Feb 13, 2017 07:14
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Will it come back? I NEED MY DAILY PUPPIES.
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Feb 19, 2017 17:19
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During the last broadcast, the pups managed to overturn the water bowl. Maybe they figured out how to dismantle the camera? (And it was probably an adorable group effort.)
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Feb 20, 2017 10:22
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Aww it's offline. I had to turn off my VPN because it said I was banned from Twitch, which I have never used. lol. But then it turned out you were offline anyways. I want to see wriggling puppies! Right now!
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So, since I haven't been around for awhile, when did you make the jump from Pit Bulls to LGD and why? Also, are you sure about the lineage of your ASD mix, because ASD do not come in black and crossing one with a Pyr would not result in black puppies...
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Mar 19, 2017 00:53
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HELO STUBBANA ive had lgd's since 2006 lmao pls post ur showlatolions and their glorious stilts
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Mar 19, 2017 01:44
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Farmers care more about practical non-show coat than color. They also tend to be less "THIS MUST BE BREED" and more "ok bitch good stud good puppies fine"
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Mar 19, 2017 01:48
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i still have shitbulls too  lets fight stubs cmere
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Mar 19, 2017 01:57
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I know literally zero farmers that would ever get their farm dogs from show breeders. It's mostly livestock auctions and know a guy who knows a guy if people are still doin it the way they were when I lived at home.
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Tasty_Crayon posted:I know literally zero farmers that would ever get their farm dogs from show breeders. It's mostly livestock auctions and know a guy who knows a guy if people are still doin it the way they were when I lived at home. IRRESPONSIBLE
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I know nothing of lgds, but a quick google search led me to this http://sam.cobankopegi.com/Hokka.html which led to this (scroll down to see a picture of a turkish anatolian, looks like Belle) http://cobankopegi.com/black/ so apparently anatolians can come in black and white, and pretty much all color coats are acceptable? Even wikipedia has this: Appearance The Anatolian Shepherd dog is a muscular breed. They have thick necks, broad heads, and sturdy bodies. Their lips are tight to their muzzle and they have triangular drop ears. Males stand 660 to 790 mm (26 to 31 inches) tall, females between 680 and 760 mm (27 to 30 inches). They weigh between 40 and 70 kg (90 and 150 pounds), with females on the smaller side and males on the larger side. The coat may be any colour, although most common are white cream, "sesame," and white with large coloured spots that do not cover more than 30% of the body. Known as piebald, these colours may or may not be accompanied by a black mask and/or ears https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolian_Shepherd#Appearance Chido fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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Mar 19, 2017 02:12
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I mean I GUESS they could have time to worry about coat color but they are mostly too busy waking up at dawn to make sure their sow doesn't crush ten grand worth of piglets. Edit: "SHOW DOGS? What kind of liberal obamacare communist bullshit is that? Ok I've got the chain looped around the hooves when I say pull you pull"
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Belle is actually not even a true black, but a really dark brindle. You know who does have black marked dogs in their background? Boot, the sire, who is a ~~~show correct~~~ color lmaooooooooooo Not a single white puppy in the litter, all badger or black marked whites and one black masked fawn
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Tasty_Crayon posted:I mean I GUESS they could have time to worry about coat color but they are mostly too busy waking up at dawn to make sure their sow doesn't crush ten grand worth of piglets. but... Anatolians can come in any color, including brindle and black? o.O why do you have this fixation with the coat color? I mean, I know nothing about lgds, but I don't get your comment.
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because she breeds conformation anatolians that lay around with her chickens and she cant fathom anything but KC poo poo bc shes solana
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Mar 19, 2017 02:18
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From that anatolian site I found, this is very interesting! For many decades, people avoided importing brindles, and until very recently, have avoided importing any black dogs. While these choices are understandably personal, others may be misinformed and unaware that black exists in the genetics of native working Anatolians in various dominant and recessive forms. These choices have resulted in the breed standard being overruled with personal beliefs or preferences, which are prejudicial to the genepool and historical accuracy. The other type of black is recessive black. Recessive blacks are on the A locus. There are two main varieties of recessive black in the agouti locus. Tanpoint (marked like a Rottweiller with tan accents) and recessive black, where the dog is an allover black. Recessive blacks can sneak up on you after generations of 'pure breeding' fawn dogs. That's the nature of recessives; you don't know which dogs carry them until that sub-population begins to increase so there is more chance of recessives pairing up. For example, this can happen in Labrador Retrievers. In Anatolians, some tanpoints have begun to appear. http://cobankopegi.com/black/
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HIjacking this thread to announce that my dog Mouse is also due to whelp in early May 
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The puppies will be a mix of Bedlington, Whippet and Border/Bearded Collie 
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notsowelp posted:HIjacking this thread to announce that my dog Mouse is also due to whelp in early May Username and post information do not align, beep boop. (okay it's whelp not welp but darn it)
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notsowelp posted:The puppies will be a mix of Bedlington, Whippet and Border/Bearded Collie mONGERELS
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Tasty_Crayon posted:Farmers care more about practical non-show coat than color. They also tend to be less "THIS MUST BE BREED" and more "ok bitch good stud good puppies fine" You're talking to an owner/breeder/and OMG EXHIBITOR of Anatolian Shepherds. My dogs are out of proven, direct Turkish import working lines and can also hold their own in the show ring. My youngest is from a very well known kennel on the East Coast that was instrumental in introducing the Anatolian Shepherd to the USA. She was born and raised in a goat pasture, and at the moment, when she is not going to a dog show, she is guarding her handler's sheep and poultry. I must be doing something wrong, amirite? Truthfully, the ASD community has no problem with working only breeders and they are as welcome as anyone else. The reason why someone would go to a "show breeder" for a LGD Anatolian to be exclusively a working dog (and yes, most are sold into working rather than show homes) is because we health test and provide the healthiest, safest dogs, and will always provide assistance to the new owners. However, there is no real difference between "show bred" and "working bred" Anatolians, like there has been with Pyrs, although I do know of one exclusively show ASD breeder that tries to breed for a softer temperament and show disposition. She is not considered reputable though.
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SolanaSkyes posted:You're talking to an owner/breeder/and OMG EXHIBITOR of Anatolian Shepherds. My dogs are out of proven, direct Turkish import working lines and can also hold their own in the show ring. My youngest is from a very well known kennel on the East Coast that was instrumental in introducing the Anatolian Shepherd to the USA. She was born and raised in a goat pasture, and at the moment, when she is not going to a dog show, she is guarding her handler's sheep and poultry. I must be doing something wrong, amirite? ... no offense, but why would you show an anatolian if you have it to guard your livestock? Doesn't taking the dog away from the farm stress the animal, and cancels the purpose of having a lgd if it's not around to protect livestock?
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SolanaSkyes posted:You're talking to an owner/breeder/and OMG EXHIBITOR of Anatolian Shepherds. Oh do forgive me my lady, I didn't recognize you without your mouche.
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SolanaSkyes posted:You're talking to an owner/breeder/and OMG EXHIBITOR of Anatolian Shepherds. My dogs are out of proven, direct Turkish import working lines and can also hold their own in the show ring. I don't know if I'd trust a lgd who doesn't get anxiety or gets nervous about being away from its livestock to be a trustworthy guard. Shouldn't they try their hardest to always stay with their livestock? Solana... do you bring your anatolian inside the house to sleep at night?
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Chido posted:I know nothing of lgds, but a quick google search led me to this You managed to find the personal webpage of an idiot who paid an assload of money to import "rare black Anatolians" from a shady dealer in Turkey, ended up with a couple of obvious mutts, and she's been battling to try to get them registered as Anatolians here for years. The ASDCA has refused to register them (and every other black dog that has applied), and that particular person has not bred a litter in several years (Janice last updated her site since 2011). There is another working breeder in the South that claims to have AKC registered blacks, but he also other breeds roaming around amongst them, and very dark brindles. The closest you will come to a "black Anatolian" is a very dark brindle.
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SolanaSkyes posted:You managed to find the personal webpage of an idiot who paid an assload of money to import "rare black Anatolians" from a shady dealer in Turkey, ended up with a couple of obvious mutts, and she's been battling to try to get them registered as Anatolians here for years. The ASDCA has refused to register them (and every other black dog that has applied), and that particular person has not bred a litter in several years (Janice last updated her site since 2011). There is another working breeder in the South that claims to have AKC registered blacks, but he also other breeds roaming around amongst them, and very dark brindles. The closest you will come to a "black Anatolian" is a very dark brindle. I don't know if I'd trust the ASDCA's opinion on what the right colors of anatolians are. I mean, they accept genetic defects like bulldogs and pugs with no face and horrible health and genetic problems as breed standard.
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SolanaSkyes posted:You're talking to an owner/breeder/and OMG EXHIBITOR of Anatolian Shepherds. My dogs are out of proven, direct Turkish import working lines and can also hold their own in the show ring. My youngest is from a very well known kennel on the East Coast that was instrumental in introducing the Anatolian Shepherd to the USA. She was born and raised in a goat pasture, and at the moment, when she is not going to a dog show, she is guarding her handler's sheep and poultry. I must be doing something wrong, amirite? Do you talk about her over tea with the other breeders, making sure to make her feel as excluded as possible from any and all events. Honestly, what the gently caress is the point of a LGD when you take it away from the livestock to play barbie. Am I missing something? Who cares what the gently caress your stupid dog looks like if its good at killing nuisance animals? If you take an LGD away from stock, even if it works with a team of other dogs, you've done nothing but stress it and the stock out for no other reason than ribbons.
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