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I know nothing of lgds, but a quick google search led me to this http://sam.cobankopegi.com/Hokka.html which led to this (scroll down to see a picture of a turkish anatolian, looks like Belle) http://cobankopegi.com/black/ so apparently anatolians can come in black and white, and pretty much all color coats are acceptable? Even wikipedia has this: Appearance The Anatolian Shepherd dog is a muscular breed. They have thick necks, broad heads, and sturdy bodies. Their lips are tight to their muzzle and they have triangular drop ears. Males stand 660 to 790 mm (26 to 31 inches) tall, females between 680 and 760 mm (27 to 30 inches). They weigh between 40 and 70 kg (90 and 150 pounds), with females on the smaller side and males on the larger side. The coat may be any colour, although most common are white cream, "sesame," and white with large coloured spots that do not cover more than 30% of the body. Known as piebald, these colours may or may not be accompanied by a black mask and/or ears https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolian_Shepherd#Appearance Chido fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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Tasty_Crayon posted:I mean I GUESS they could have time to worry about coat color but they are mostly too busy waking up at dawn to make sure their sow doesn't crush ten grand worth of piglets. but... Anatolians can come in any color, including brindle and black? o.O why do you have this fixation with the coat color? I mean, I know nothing about lgds, but I don't get your comment.
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Mar 19, 2017 02:18
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From that anatolian site I found, this is very interesting! For many decades, people avoided importing brindles, and until very recently, have avoided importing any black dogs. While these choices are understandably personal, others may be misinformed and unaware that black exists in the genetics of native working Anatolians in various dominant and recessive forms. These choices have resulted in the breed standard being overruled with personal beliefs or preferences, which are prejudicial to the genepool and historical accuracy. The other type of black is recessive black. Recessive blacks are on the A locus. There are two main varieties of recessive black in the agouti locus. Tanpoint (marked like a Rottweiller with tan accents) and recessive black, where the dog is an allover black. Recessive blacks can sneak up on you after generations of 'pure breeding' fawn dogs. That's the nature of recessives; you don't know which dogs carry them until that sub-population begins to increase so there is more chance of recessives pairing up. For example, this can happen in Labrador Retrievers. In Anatolians, some tanpoints have begun to appear. http://cobankopegi.com/black/
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Mar 19, 2017 02:41
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SolanaSkyes posted:You're talking to an owner/breeder/and OMG EXHIBITOR of Anatolian Shepherds. My dogs are out of proven, direct Turkish import working lines and can also hold their own in the show ring. My youngest is from a very well known kennel on the East Coast that was instrumental in introducing the Anatolian Shepherd to the USA. She was born and raised in a goat pasture, and at the moment, when she is not going to a dog show, she is guarding her handler's sheep and poultry. I must be doing something wrong, amirite? ... no offense, but why would you show an anatolian if you have it to guard your livestock? Doesn't taking the dog away from the farm stress the animal, and cancels the purpose of having a lgd if it's not around to protect livestock?
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Mar 19, 2017 03:20
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SolanaSkyes posted:You're talking to an owner/breeder/and OMG EXHIBITOR of Anatolian Shepherds. My dogs are out of proven, direct Turkish import working lines and can also hold their own in the show ring. I don't know if I'd trust a lgd who doesn't get anxiety or gets nervous about being away from its livestock to be a trustworthy guard. Shouldn't they try their hardest to always stay with their livestock? Solana... do you bring your anatolian inside the house to sleep at night?
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Mar 19, 2017 03:37
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SolanaSkyes posted:You managed to find the personal webpage of an idiot who paid an assload of money to import "rare black Anatolians" from a shady dealer in Turkey, ended up with a couple of obvious mutts, and she's been battling to try to get them registered as Anatolians here for years. The ASDCA has refused to register them (and every other black dog that has applied), and that particular person has not bred a litter in several years (Janice last updated her site since 2011). There is another working breeder in the South that claims to have AKC registered blacks, but he also other breeds roaming around amongst them, and very dark brindles. The closest you will come to a "black Anatolian" is a very dark brindle. I don't know if I'd trust the ASDCA's opinion on what the right colors of anatolians are. I mean, they accept genetic defects like bulldogs and pugs with no face and horrible health and genetic problems as breed standard.
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Mar 19, 2017 03:40
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wtftastic posted:Do you talk about her over tea with the other breeders, making sure to make her feel as excluded as possible from any and all events. A dog is not well bred unless it resembles a footrest. If it doesn't have the official arbitrarily accepted colors then it can't work, because colors is everything.
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Mar 19, 2017 03:44
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Dog show person knows more about a dog breed than the people who have kept the breed for its original purpose for generations (and who give no shits about color coat conformation).
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SolanaSkyes posted:You managed to find the personal webpage of an idiot who paid an assload of money to import "rare black Anatolians" from a shady dealer in Turkey, ended up with a couple of obvious mutts, and she's been battling to try to get them registered as Anatolians here for years. The ASDCA has refused to register them (and every other black dog that has applied), and that particular person has not bred a litter in several years (Janice last updated her site since 2011). There is another working breeder in the South that claims to have AKC registered blacks, but he also other breeds roaming around amongst them, and very dark brindles. The closest you will come to a "black Anatolian" is a very dark brindle. Example of a working german shepherd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVOmROsXJ3Y What show people consider the correct form of a german shepherd (the lower they drag their crotches to the floor, the better?) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf95aY8E7_E So sorry if I don't trust your CREDENTIALS as a SHOW LADY Solana, but breeders like you go more for extreme looks than actual viable animals :/. I bet if you went to Anatolia you'd tell the farmers there they have mutt dogs because no true anatolian dog would ever be black (despite that color having been part of the breed for a looooooong time it seems, show people just decided they didn't like black so they exclude it from show standards, just like pugs with any resemblance of a snout are deemed unworthy).
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