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WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
okay uh

has anyone ever played Uriel's Chasm

because WHAT IN THE gently caress DID I JUST PLAY :stonk:

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WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

END ME SCOOB posted:

The dev is very fond of the Amiga/Genesis era and somewhat esoteric in their spiritualism. It defines all of their works. You should try the sequel if you want the same insanity but a bit more "standard game".

His most recent title, Ohr, was bug nuts.

yeah i thought the Christian stuff was gonna be some bizarre joke or just there for coolness like in Evangelion or Xenogears, but no, it was totally sincere and the dev meant to get their spirituality across with it :psyboom:

also it is way the holy gently caress too hard, art games and bullet hell should probably not mix

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

I think this dude might seriously, legitimately need psychiatric help and now I feel really bad for making an hour long youtube laughing at how bizarre Uriel's Chasm is

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Alien Rope Burn posted:

(or you hire from the third world, seriously)

unironically, how the hell without living in the third world? I've actually been poking at making a VN for a while but I have neither art skills nor a ton of money to pay for art and I don't wanna go Full Umineko and make something with lovely MS Paint art

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Furnaceface posted:

The video is by Todd McFarlane of Spawn fame. I think he also did most of the art for a game that ended up failing pretty drat hard, the name of which escapes me at the moment (Reckoning?).

he's actually done a weirdly huge amount of work in games. he was heavily involved with a game called "Todd McFarlane's Evil Prophecy", which was a PS2 beatemup based on one of the McFarlane Toys original lines, he designed Necrid in Soul Calibur 2, and then he was the art director for Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning (the game I'm assuming you're talking about, though Evil Prophecy bombed too iirc)

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

TheAgent posted:

Write out the entire loving thing using placeholder artwork first, then worry about the art later. Don't worry so much about the branching paths, get something quick and easy to use like Ren'Py and start writing.

Write the whole drat thing from beginning to end with a single narrative, then go back and write the branching paths/different endings. Make sure everything is pretty much done.

At that point you'll have a giant list of every scene and character and CG that you'll need to outsource or come up with yourself. This allows you to have a decent idea what you can actually fit in your budget and what cost (per character, background and scene) you can afford. Shopping for artists is way easier when you realize more than half of them are going to be way outside that budget and will help narrow down your search.

When you start adding artwork related costs up, you quickly realize "Hey, maybe I don't need this character? Maybe I don't need a special background for this four paragraphs?" You start cutting extraneous poo poo and saving money, to boot.

Like someone before said, though, even with poo poo artwork it can cost a ton of loving money. Thousands, easy. Especially if you want any sort of animation.

This is insanely good advice and thank you for it

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
Is this the right thread to talk about MDickie in, or does he probably merit his own? I've been digging back into Wrestling MPire Remix after years of not touching it, and... well, I really don't know how to feel about it.

It's straight up incompetently made. I have to do some major fuckery to even get it to run in Windows 10 without weird cursor lag on the menus, the graphics are charitably N64 level, the game mechanics are nonsensical, the AI alternates between SNK boss levels of bullshit and just standing there like an idiot or doing bizarre poo poo like abandoning the arena entirely in mid-match. It is absolutely one of the jankiest games I have ever played.

And yet, in spite of myself, I'm having stupid amounts of fun with it. The game is almost never irritatingly janky (the closest it comes is when the AI goes into bullshit mode or the ref starts acting up), it's just hilariously janky.

The career mode is also a better career mode than WWE 2K has ever given us, given that you can do roids and die or kill people in the ring, and also aren't locked to one boring company forever.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Largepotato posted:

Lets release a 20 year old racing game that was mediocre back then.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/698620/Screamer_2/

I don't think this really fits; Screamer 2 isn't strictly speaking bad, and preservation of old games is cool and good even if it was.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

FirstAidKite posted:

IIRC the protagonist wonders during the game how old she is since she's his video game console and he's like "I guess you're technically only a few days old, huh"

why do you know this

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Improbable Lobster posted:

There's literally never been a video game with sex in it that wasn't bad wank fodder (besides abstract stuff like Genital Jousting)

GTA5 is fine i guess? like i don't really get why that's in there beyond flavor, but calling the game "bad wank fodder" is a stretch

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Randallteal posted:

The strip club stuff was terrible. Not so much the nudity, but the "grope the dancer while the bouncer isn't looking to get her affection up" mechanic.

Whenever sex and GTA are brought up I think of this email from Sam Houser during the development of San Andreas.

like I said, I don't like the actual sexual content in GTA5, but it's very much a tertiary part of a game that is largely totally fine

like, if GTA5 didn't have strip clubs it would still totally be GTA5

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
Fate/stay night is a legit fun read but it's not exactly high art or anything

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
Yeah, I'm... actually slightly into that? I've been looking for an RPG along those lines that's both on PC and has the QOL stuff you see in, say, Etrian Odyssey. That doesn't look great but it seems to fit the bill.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Lyrai posted:

Fate/Stay Night: no official English release of the game, but it's a shitload of words of various historical figures in various genders and states if undress hitting each other for the holy Grail. It can bend in surprising directions and has insane amounts of world building, but as the thread on these forums will tell you, it gets loving WEIRD with how hard the misogyny can go. Like, even for anime trash, fate gets weirdly harsh with how bad the women can get it.

Ehhhhhhhh not really

Like, you have Shirou being a jackass, but he grows out of it and the universe constantly clowns on him for it

Then you have Shinji and his whole deal, but that's less "Nasu hates women" and more "Nasu is trying to make this guy the most mustache-twirlingly evil hateable motherfucker of all time and him being a horrible misogynist makes him more punchable"

e: like, yeah, the stuff that Shinji (and Zouken) does is really really loving horrible, but he's doing it to well-rounded characters that exist for purposes other than "to be his punching bag," and every route has an incredibly cathartic bit directed at him

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Part of it is a byproduct that it mostly wants to be a depressing nihlistic universe where the most you can hope for is to survive the horrible poo poo people can do, but there is no real excuse for some of it. So, "lol, anime."

eeeehhhh I also wouldn't really agree that it's a depressing, nihilistic universe; there's a bunch of weird poo poo going on under the surface of the world, but your average person is never even going to see any of it and "do not gently caress with the normals" is a pretty ironclad law of mage etiquette (unless you're a complete rear end in a top hat like Kiritsugu). even for the mages, most of them end up pretty okay in :fsn:; it's Fate/zero where everyone dies and everything is always horrible, and that's because they're all explicitly completely loving awful people.

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And a loving lot of words, last I checked, Fate/Stay Night held some kind of word count record.

it's not a record- any listing that includes F/sn is gonna include a bunch of fanfiction and related poo poo that is way longer. with that said though :fsn: is longer than loving War and Peace, and that's if you only count the common route once

WeedlordGoku69 fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Nov 25, 2017

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

yeah, actually, Waver is cool, he's kind of like "what if Shirou wasn't a complete dope"

everyone else, Kiritsugu included, is a complete and total dick though to the point where it's kind of hilarious. but that's a Gen Urobuchi thing, and he's not involved in any of the rest of the Fate franchise

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

hexwren posted:

the anime is coming from inside the thread

It's almost like people who enjoy laughing at bad anime also unironically like good anime :aaaaa:

Fate/stay night is metal as gently caress and a super fun read, and I would legit recommend it if you can put up with the weird and bad sex scenes. like, sure it has female genitalia being compared to sea creatures, but it's also the only place you're ever gonna see big-titty King Arthur have a DBZ fight with Gilgamesh (as in The Epic of)

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

ThisIsNoZaku posted:

There was a de-pornified rerelease.

the de-pornified versions of the scenes are still weird and bad though, is the thing. like they took the weirdest possible approach and instead of just, like, fading to black and skipping to when they're done loving, rewrote the scenes entirely so that nobody fucks anymore and sex no longer exists in the fate universe.

this is fine for the Fate and Unlimited Blade Works routes. the mana transfer dragon is goofy as gently caress and probably the most blatant "THERE WAS A SEX SCENE HERE" of all time, but the sex stuff in those routes is so minor and easily ignored to begin with that it's not a huge deal.

it becomes something of a problem with Heaven's Feel, because... I don't know if you've read the uncensored version of that route but holy gently caress I do not envy whoever had to censor that because not only do the protag and love interest gently caress a lot but there's a lot of really gross borderline-:nms: body horror in there that, to my understanding, the censored version somehow replaces with (of all things) vampires

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Really Pants posted:

I think he just meant that the original King Arthur's were probably smaller

yeah "king arthur but not a guy" reads a little clunkier

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
i'm reading investigative journalism about bad games on steam on a literal anime porn site

2017 is the weirdest loving year

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Dark_Swordmaster posted:

"How bad could this site be?"

*first image on the home page is a urinating cartoon*

:yikes:

just adblock the sidebar poo poo like I did (right click -> block element) and the site becomes 100% more readable

it's a legit interesting article

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Ratzap posted:

Has the land of the rising sun gotten stuck in 1990?

Yeah, actually. Japan has only recently started to have any kind of major PC gaming culture (as a direct result of Steam), and until then Windows PCs were basically seen as a platform for either weird indie games (like Bunny Must Die or Touhou or La Mulana) or straight-up porn.

You can imagine this didn't exactly push them to start buying high-end computers; the vast majority of Japanese games from before Steam will run on even the most potato-rear end computer you throw them at.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
The Max Payne games are extremely loving good and have no place in this thread. Like, I'd say more than Half-Life or the GTA games, they're responsible for how AAA games have basically turned into movies, and that's because the Max Payne games were really, really, really loving good at it.

e: I guess in a technical sense they belong here because from what I gather they're janky on Win 10, but if there's any way around that beyond running a VM everyone owes it to themselves to play that series. The games aren't particularly long, and while they're on the hard side, they're fun as gently caress.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
That game looks adorable :kimchi:

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Shinku ABOOKEN posted:

seo but for steam :barf:

isn’t it a trademark violation to use a trademark to advertise your product?

It depends on the context. I'm pretty sure that, as long as Reformers actually bears some similarity to all those games, what they did was fine (see: the glut of sci-fi movies that had "THE BEST MOVIE SINCE THE MATRIX!" on their DVD cover because they vaguely involved longcoats and guns back in 2000-2003ish), but they couldn't advertise it as having any actual connection to any of those.

And even then, as long as they had some personnel who had worked on each of those games, they could still do a "from some of the creators of..." deal, but I sorta doubt it.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
Also, it's a Chinese game, so there is basically no way they give a gently caress anyways.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

the blood vessels are twitching in my eye right now

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Alien Rope Burn posted:

The old games just had you input your age. The older you were, the more exaggerated the motion was.

A classy game made by classy guys.

...

okay that explains why as a kid I always heard Dead or Alive was really stupid about that, and yet when I actually played the games they were pretty low-key

I always put my actual age in when games ask me unless I already know in advance there's some gimmick, and I played DOA Ultimate (the only one I ever really dug into) when I was like 11 or 12

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Discendo Vox posted:

Yeah, you're right. I think I had unrealistic expectations because I basically mainline puzzle games and ARGs. What you literally tell users it's a playfair cipher?! That's not interesting!

yeah, I'd say you're just outside the target audience in that case, it seems like it's trying to be babby's first cryptography puzzles more than anything

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
are the other two chapters of Bendy and the Ink Machine worth buying? the demo kinda fuckin ruled but if they're all around 20min it seems like a ripoff

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
i mean its merch is fuckin all over spencer's and hot topic and gamestop, and when i asked the gamestop guy about it he was like "i have no clue what this is but my boss thought it was gonna be the next Five Nights at Freddys and apparently that was a really good call"

so i'm assuming some angle of it is terrible, which is why i'm asking here

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
It's apparently actually really good. Like, there's a lot of FGC people who are excited as gently caress for Them's Fightin' Herds and aren't bronies at all, that's where most of their non-crazy-weirdo support has come from.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Yardbomb posted:

Nooooooooo.

Bendy and the Ink Machine is another one of those games where it starts off really strong, but it nosedived almost immediately past EP1. They're really short, it turns into fetch quests which broke real often and needed you to restart the segment, they started putting ~big name youtubers~ in the game as voices for audio logs, they started baiting the "hidden lore" game theory types, the only thing it has going for it is a really cool aesthetic that's squandered on bad gameplay.

I loving knew it

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Patience, grasshopper.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
I can actually see where the dev is coming from on it being "retro-inspired;" there was a loving horde of titty-fighters in the mid through late 90s, and this seems basically in the same vein as stuff like Strip Fighter 2 and the Variable Geo series (which, to my understanding, is basically the only result of this fad that's actually a semi-decent game)

e: Skullgirls is basically the actually-good modern successor to that stuff, before anyone else points out the elephant in the room

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Dark_Swordmaster posted:

Tattoo Assassins!

that was sort of the non-Japanese equivalent to this fad; instead of softcore porn fighting games we got insane Mortal Kombat clones.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

FirstAidKite posted:

Name some r rated or pg 13 romcoms that sexualize minors by showing nudity, specifically films that have done this and not either been called out for it or otherwise are treated as if it is completely normal to depict minors in a sexualized way without the film trying to use that to prove a point

How long has it been since you've seen Fast Times at Ridgemont High? That's the first one that comes to mind but it's ultra ultra :yikes: by these standards.

And the "minors played by minors" thing kinda doesn't bear out when we're making the anime comparison; anime high schoolers are very, very rarely treated like actual teenagers, and are instead typically portrayed as adults who are nominally still in school as an excuse for why they're participating in the plot and not doing Adult Things like staying at the office until 3am.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
the weird thing is, that nazi Stranger Things knockoff actually doesn't seem to be an asset flip. it's just extremely bad and unoriginal.

e: PRAY TO PUTIN WHAT THE gently caress

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
i mean, VNs are pretty much the entry point to game dev for writers who can't program or draw, so it's not really a shock that you get some good writers in the mix

Gen Urobuchi and Ryukishi07 write pretty good horror, too, and while Kinoko Nasu's writing is janky as hell in a lot of ways the dude writes action scenes like nobody else

e: fair warning that Urobuchi and RK07 are on basically opposite ends of the horror spectrum with their VN work, though- the only straight-up horror VN Urobuchi has done is really, really loving nasty and extremely not for the weak-stomached on like 20 different levels, whereas RK07... uh... just read Umineko it's basically impossible to explain coherently (basically it's like anime House of Leaves with a lot of surrealist meta poo poo)

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
Fate/stay night is literally longer, by word count, than loving War and Peace. by a large margin.

there are many bad things you can say about VNs but they absolutely do take effort to make in most cases.

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WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Doc Hawkins posted:

The Story of the Vivian Girls is literally a hundred times longer, but you won't hear me praise Henry Darger's work ethic either.

I should probably note it's also a decentish urban fantasy novel with some legitimately amazing bits, and not the insane ramblings of 1800s Chris-Chan. Like, if it were a dead-tree book and not an ebook with a PC game shell around it, it'd probably have done pretty okay in the US market; in Japan it's already insanely hot poo poo to the point where there's been like five separate anime adaptations and three theatrical movies.

WeedlordGoku69 fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Jun 23, 2018

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