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Second Hand Meat Mouth: Sep 12, 2001

I voted for the 150k catering budget :twisted:

# ? Mar 29, 2024 22:27

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# ? May 11, 2024 22:41

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:

I voted for the 150k catering budget

NPC Leeroy Jenkins: At least I have chicken

# ? Mar 29, 2024 22:48

Weka: May 5, 2019; Can't post for 8 hours!

Xaris posted:

it�s time for the dsa to die and start over, maybe without the democrats component

Much like the sturmabteilung, the dsa marches inexorably to the right

Grilled Beef posted:

Firing people not on budgetary necessity or for performance or because of changes in campaign direction, but because you don�t like their tweets?

If recent American presidential election cycles have taught me anything it is that bad tweets are the worst thing possible

# ? Mar 29, 2024 23:16

the bitcoin of weed: Nov 1, 2014

The DSA must be destroyed and rebuilt as an organization and entity in which nobody involved posts on twitter

# ? Mar 29, 2024 23:18

Kikilupo: Apr 3, 2005

the bitcoin of weed posted:

The DSA must be destroyed and rebuilt as an organization and entity in which nobody involved posts on twitter

# ? Mar 30, 2024 01:37

Weka: May 5, 2019; Can't post for 8 hours!

the bitcoin of weed posted:

The DSA must be destroyed and rebuilt as an organization and entity in which nobody involved posts on twitter

If Ansar Allah can post on twitter then I don't think this is necessary per se.

# ? Mar 30, 2024 02:35

Second Hand Meat Mouth: Sep 12, 2001

Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:

btw has DSA gotten rid of their anti-communist or anti-democratic-centralism bylaws yet?

lol right on cue:

# ? Mar 30, 2024 03:30

rudecyrus: Nov 6, 2009; fuck you trolls

khazar sansculotte posted:

Democratic Socialists of America

*puts on They Live glasses*

Social Democrats of America

# ? Mar 30, 2024 03:33

lumpentroll: Mar 4, 2020

Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:

lol right on cue:

is that you

# ? Mar 30, 2024 03:35

Second Hand Meat Mouth: Sep 12, 2001

no I don't think I'm in DSA

# ? Mar 30, 2024 03:35

Second Hand Meat Mouth: Sep 12, 2001

and I'm definitely not in LA

# ? Mar 30, 2024 03:35

lumpentroll: Mar 4, 2020

not anymore

# ? Mar 30, 2024 03:35

Son of Sorrow: Aug 8, 2023

It's me, actually.

# ? Mar 30, 2024 03:59

Al!: Apr 2, 2010

Son of Sorrow posted:

It's me, actually.

hi alan r.

# ? Mar 30, 2024 04:31

Al!: Apr 2, 2010

dsa totally fails at entryism into the democratic party, brutally punishes others out of jealousy

# ? Mar 30, 2024 04:31

PostNouveau: Sep 3, 2011; VY till I die; Grimey Drawer

What the gently caress is the Spartacist League?

# ? Mar 30, 2024 04:41

DragQueenofAngmar: Dec 29, 2009; You shall not pass!

Pentecoastal Elites posted:

all this would be very frustrating and a big shame if dsa was anything but a collection of the most self diagnosed people in all of christendom

I have a few actually diagnosed brain problems and I went to 2 meetings and a brake light fixing event. it was good to help some people fix their cars. everything else was excruciating

# ? Mar 30, 2024 04:43

Al!: Apr 2, 2010

PostNouveau posted:

What the gently caress is the Spartacist League?

The Spartacus League (German: Spartakusbund) was a Marxist revolutionary movement organized in Germany during World War I.[1] It was founded in August 1914 as the International Group by Rosa Luxemburg,

oh, lol

# ? Mar 30, 2024 04:45

Son of Sorrow: Aug 8, 2023

Al! posted:

The Spartacus League (German: Spartakusbund) was a Marxist revolutionary movement organized in Germany during World War I.[1] It was founded in August 1914 as the International Group by Rosa Luxemburg,

oh, lol

It's a Trotskyist organization and member of the Fourth International.

# ? Mar 30, 2024 04:50

Pentecoastal Elites: Feb 27, 2007

DragQueenofAngmar posted:

I have a few actually diagnosed brain problems and I went to 2 meetings and a brake light fixing event. it was good to help some people fix their cars. everything else was excruciating

I think DSA should be retooled into a rotary club for millennial nominal socialists: community service, union fundraisers, little catered dinners where they give each other little accolades and speeches and stuff. Incalculably better, safer, and more effective than whatever the gently caress they're doing now, and maybe one day it'd even become a place to meet like-minded people to do some actual class organizing. outside of the DSA.

# ? Mar 30, 2024 04:50

In Training: Jun 28, 2008

Pentecoastal Elites posted:

I think DSA should be retooled into a rotary club for millennial nominal socialists: community service, union fundraisers, little catered dinners where they give each other little accolades and speeches and stuff. Incalculably better, safer, and more effective than whatever the gently caress they're doing now, and maybe one day it'd even become a place to meet like-minded people to do some actual class organizing. outside of the DSA.

I think this is what their NYC office bldg is. But also the only thing they do out here is doorknock for Democrats. Sometimes they table for union campaigns which I pitch in on since thats a fine way to spend your hands and brain.

# ? Mar 30, 2024 04:56

DragQueenofAngmar: Dec 29, 2009; You shall not pass!

Pentecoastal Elites posted:

I think DSA should be retooled into a rotary club for millennial nominal socialists: community service, union fundraisers, little catered dinners where they give each other little accolades and speeches and stuff. Incalculably better, safer, and more effective than whatever the gently caress they're doing now, and maybe one day it'd even become a place to meet like-minded people to do some actual class organizing. outside of the DSA.

they can�t even do those things in an enjoyable way, I grew up around a super waspy/community-togetherness-type town that was stuffed with those sort of dinners and cocktail parties and events and dsa can�t even throw a fun one of those ime lol

# ? Mar 30, 2024 05:04

PERPETUAL IDIOT: Sep 12, 2003

PostNouveau posted:

What the gently caress is the Spartacist League?

Jim Cramer was a spart in college.

# ? Mar 30, 2024 05:46

Lib and let die: Aug 26, 2004

Homeless Friend posted:

NPC Leeroy Jenkins: At least I we have chicken

# ? Mar 30, 2024 06:11

PawParole: Nov 16, 2019

Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:

lol right on cue:

The way they�re focusing on this instead of the union, call it combined and uneven development

# ? Mar 30, 2024 06:15

fermun: Nov 4, 2009

Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:

I voted for the 150k catering budget

the 150k catering budget was entirely the previous NPC for 2023, the catering budget for 2024 was eliminated entirely in the programming cuts made in january, so the union's proposal to eliminate the catering budget was nonsensical, it had already been eliminated.

in 2023 there were 3 weekend regional training retreats and then the convention, and hosting a 3 day convention with 2 catered meals a day for over 1000 people at a union hotel which required catering is how the 2023 catering budget got so high. for an org that brings in $3.5 million annually in membership dues and does biannual fundraisers for the convention expenses, the $130k that was the catering cost at the convention (the rest was the retreats) wouldn't have been absurd if staff costs weren't so high. not hiring the 3 staff members that were hired in the 2 months prior to the convention would have covered that, and the layoffs could have been 4 or 5 members fewer now had those 3 not been hired, due to hiring them going further into deficit spending and the 3 months severance that will need to be paid when they're laid off in a month and a half

edit:
in january 2020 dsa had the same number of members as dsa had in january 2024. in january 2020, 40% of the budget was on staff, in january 2024, 70% of the budget was on staff. dsa was in the black and gaining members in january 2020, was in the red and losing members in january 2024.

fermun has issued a correction as of 06:26 on Mar 30, 2024

# ? Mar 30, 2024 06:23

Second Hand Meat Mouth: Sep 12, 2001

expelling members seems smart when you're already struggling to keep them

# ? Mar 30, 2024 07:02

Lin-Manuel Turtle: Jul 12, 2023

Catering Party USA

# ? Mar 30, 2024 07:37

Smythe: Oct 12, 2003

the catering bill isnt really that big in my professional nonprofit worker opinion. plenty of other more egregious sins to get "het up" about.

# ? Mar 30, 2024 08:47

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Smythe posted:

the catering bill isnt really that big in my opinion

yeah catering is loving expensive as hell, that's not the unreasonable part. my partner works development office for a non-profit 3-8th grade school and putting on fundraising or gala catering is $$$$$

the 30k/month grievance officer and being a plinkey-rear end goonfund is the lol part. actually plinkey might have had better record budget management.........

# ? Mar 30, 2024 08:50

Pomeroy: Apr 20, 2020

PostNouveau posted:

What the gently caress is the Spartacist League?

I'm surprised to see them named here, as far as I was aware, their SoCal supporters had all split to form the "Internationalist Group," who I've had the displeasure to encounter twice, once when they tried to hijack the Q&A at an ANSWER Coalition Korea Unification conference to denounce the WPK as capitulationist, and once when one of them tried to call me an antisemite (self-hating, I suppose) for disagreeing with their delusional worker-ist line on Palestine.

They're sometimes called "ortho-Trots" because on paper they're closer to Trotsky's actually stated views, critical support for "degenerated workers states" against imperialism, and so on, but in practice they're narrowly economistic sectarians, they invariably find excuses to dismiss national liberation struggles as bourgeois, and they have a bizarre obsession with seeing antisemitism everywhere, to the point that they can be counted on to defend whatever Hollywood sicko is exposed on any given day as the victim of a fascist witch hunt.

EDIT: that said, I wouldn't want this to come off as justifying the LA leaders in this particular controversy, if DSA twitter is at all accurate, they're wanting to get rid of him because he's loudly demanding a break with the Democratic party, and an endorsement of a third party candidate against genocide Joe.

Pomeroy has issued a correction as of 09:11 on Mar 30, 2024

# ? Mar 30, 2024 09:04

Honky Mao: Dec 26, 2012

Pomeroy posted:

I'm surprised to see them named here, as far as I was aware, their SoCal supporters had all split to form the "Internationalist Group," who I've had the displeasure to encounter twice, once when they tried to hijack the Q&A at an ANSWER Coalition Korea Unification conference to denounce the WPK as capitulationist, and once when one of them tried to call me an antisemite (self-hating, I suppose) for disagreeing with their delusional worker-ist line on Palestine.

They're sometimes called "ortho-Trots" because on paper they're closer to Trotsky's actually stated views, critical support for "degenerated workers states" against imperialism, and so on, but in practice they're narrowly economistic sectarians, they invariably find excuses to dismiss national liberation struggles as bourgeois, and they have a bizarre obsession with seeing antisemitism everywhere, to the point that they can be counted on to defend whatever Hollywood sicko is exposed on any given day as the victim of a fascist witch hunt.

EDIT: that said, I wouldn't want this to come off as justifying the LA leaders in this particular controversy, if DSA twitter is at all accurate, they're wanting to get rid of him because he's loudly demanding a break with the Democratic party, and an endorsement of a third party candidate against genocide Joe.

I'm awarding a point to the anarchists

# ? Mar 30, 2024 12:54

my bony fealty: Oct 1, 2008

DiSAbled

# ? Mar 30, 2024 13:00

War and Pieces: Apr 24, 2022; DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN

Son of Sorrow posted:

It's a Trotskyist organization and member of the Fourth International.

also the British branch were pedophiles

# ? Mar 30, 2024 13:10

fermun: Nov 4, 2009

War and Pieces posted:

also the British branch were pedophiles

yes, you said british. that's like saying a south african branch was racist or an australian branch liked beer

# ? Mar 30, 2024 13:14

rudecyrus: Nov 6, 2009; fuck you trolls

my bony fealty posted:

DiSAbled

# ? Mar 30, 2024 13:19

jarofpiss: May 16, 2009

Grilled Beef posted:

breaking from the thread/forum trend and being serious for a bit:

there are core problems to DSA that no one can just pull up a line item budget see where money is going, and projections for what poo poo will cost. I don�t know how the bookkeeeping at National got this bad, that the merch budget turned out to actually be 97k a year instead of 45k a year and no one noticed. Also, no one asked why the gently caress we were even spending $45k per year on merchandise! why are we paying an additional $65k on Google drives and zoom accounts and software licenses that aren�t being used? why were we spending $150k on catering?

No one has a clear view of where the money is going to pump the brakes on any of this well before now. and so yeah, it is going to be hard, and probably some staff need to be laid off to balance it, because the kind of operations that the staff are supposed to be doing under the national director just were not happening.

The other part of it is that the elected NPC and the most vocal parts of caucuses are deeply unserious about all of this. if you bring this up it is all shouting about �appealing to bourgeois norms� and �NGO-ification� and �pushing austerity�. Meanwhile the NPC is insisting they have to make cuts to balance the budget when they still do not have a line item budget, statements of reserves and assets, financial projections and explanations.

this is where �assume good faith� runs in to issues, is it good faith to assume you are smart but cynically using this to do shock doctrine to get what you want? Or is it you are stupid and don�t realize the damage being done?

Because that is increasingly relevant. it has been wild to watch these caucuses go so intensely anti union.

there were always 2 questions to this plan by the present NPC majority to eliminate staff and replace them with caucus �volunteers� (who are contractors)

�should we do it?� which they did win a majority for, though they won that majority by shouting down any objections about excessive spending at convention.

�Can we do it?� which was the objection that between the CBA and various legal barriers, shitcanning all the staff to replace with their people was not going to fly. Points on this got the �appeal to bourgeois norms!� crap again, along which whining about �will of the membership�, with maybe 2 people at most knowing what a fine line they would need to walk to do this.

Well now the second point is in full swing here. The present NPC majority has been flipping back and forth between �will of the membership� and �budget crisis� to justify the shock doctrine. but what they can�t find time for is apparently to talk to the labor lawyer so they don�t keep saying and doing atrociously stupid poo poo for ULPs.

Firing people not on budgetary necessity or for performance or because of changes in campaign direction, but because you don�t like their tweets? People who are not on the NPC making the firing decisions? Recording all this in the minutes, which are legal documents? And posting them to show how you are making the decisions?

The layoff �notification� was not sent to the unions or to those who were going to be fired, it was posted on forums and Twitter and that�s how people learned about they were losing their jobs.

Refusing proposed cuts on things like excessive software of the merchandise or catering, all so you can maximize firing?

This is a bunch of childish idiocy that is going to get the organization hit with open and shut ULPs. Because these people are petty immature fools out to settle scores for imagines slights and pay themselves, and can�t conceive of having to act like a loving professional for 5 minutes to get what they want.

instead of getting poo poo together on where the loving money is going and making proper plans and making hiring/firing decisions on strategic considerations and economic necessity, these are cliques of posters throwing a shitfit and it is going to get the organization sued

this is all accurate

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jarofpiss: May 16, 2009

Ted Wassanasong posted:

Imagine feeling like this for a fed captured org.

the dsa staff is the least of the problems the org has

# ? Mar 30, 2024 14:25

jarofpiss: May 16, 2009

fermun posted:

the 150k catering budget was entirely the previous NPC for 2023, the catering budget for 2024 was eliminated entirely in the programming cuts made in january, so the union's proposal to eliminate the catering budget was nonsensical, it had already been eliminated.

in 2023 there were 3 weekend regional training retreats and then the convention, and hosting a 3 day convention with 2 catered meals a day for over 1000 people at a union hotel which required catering is how the 2023 catering budget got so high. for an org that brings in $3.5 million annually in membership dues and does biannual fundraisers for the convention expenses, the $130k that was the catering cost at the convention (the rest was the retreats) wouldn't have been absurd if staff costs weren't so high. not hiring the 3 staff members that were hired in the 2 months prior to the convention would have covered that, and the layoffs could have been 4 or 5 members fewer now had those 3 not been hired, due to hiring them going further into deficit spending and the 3 months severance that will need to be paid when they're laid off in a month and a half

edit:
in january 2020 dsa had the same number of members as dsa had in january 2024. in january 2020, 40% of the budget was on staff, in january 2024, 70% of the budget was on staff. dsa was in the black and gaining members in january 2020, was in the red and losing members in january 2024.

shocking that the pandemic created problems for organizing, better go ahead and commit as many ulp violations as possible in 2 months to dismantle the org infrastructure

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jarofpiss: May 16, 2009

touching on the note grilled beef made about the npc being unable to count, cant meet with the labor lawyer, cant read, unable to envision a world with collective bargaining regulations, etc:

i�ve seen the work the organizing staff does and it�s incredible to me that this short bussed npc thinks they will be able to pick up the slack with volunteers when the npc cant manage the above with two full time paid with benefits co-chairs

# ? Mar 30, 2024 14:36

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