DSA: our brake light guy got arrested for beating his wife

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bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

Larry Parrish posted:

theres nothing wrong with Maoists in principle but Maoist third worldism when wielded by a first worlder is indistinguishable from COINTELPRO poo poo.

good music videos though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsOMEUamYkc

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 13:18

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

did the DSA endorse biden?

# ¿ Dec 16, 2020 13:20

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

prior to just a few weeks back, I did not expect that some of medicare for all's most implacable foes would be the DSA and similar organizations and groups. it is now a lot more apparent why electoralism is a quicksand pit and that the DSA and others as a sinks for money and time

bedpan has issued a correction as of 20:16 on Jan 12, 2021

# ¿ Jan 12, 2021 20:08

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

Ferrinus posted:

same poo poo! they got him too! he thinks that being an implacable foe of FTV is the same as being an implacable foe of medicare for all, because he has completely identified a do-nothing parliamentary maneuver with single payer health care itself! they got him! tragic! this is why i actually think the FTV movement is actively detrimental to left organizing and not just the usual kind of do-nothing liberalism

not quite, I see that the DSA is a foe of medicare for all not because of opposition to force the vote or anything like that really. DSA is against medicare for all as they will be ultimately against any attempt whatsoever to push policy other than through the traditional, ineffectual liberal channels and if and only if they are permitted by higher ups.

as always the solution is to wait, to organize, to donate, to enlist the support of friends. the time is never now.

# ¿ Jan 12, 2021 20:34

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

Ferrinus posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P40_kd-mS8

#1 their own history

# ¿ Jan 12, 2021 20:40

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

the leverage crystal still needs to be charged I guess

# ¿ Jan 12, 2021 20:42

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

Ferrinus posted:

doesn't really make sense, since if you look at the dsa's history you'll see that the dsa is becoming more radical with time rather than less. that graph is sloping in the opposite direction that you claim

yes, accelerationism is a radical position

# ¿ Jan 12, 2021 20:43

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

Ferrinus posted:

i know someone who attended a philly meeting recently and apparently it was all about bernie and FDR's new deal

lame as hell

# ¿ Jan 29, 2021 12:35

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

Ferrinus posted:

i mean, whatever, i'm sure there's radical positions or commitments she's downplaying or sleeping on and there's other stuff that she's folded on nigh-instantly, like israel

and people accuse her of not being a progressive

# ¿ Mar 8, 2021 04:39

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

Ferrinus posted:

she's just supporting an indigenous decolonial movement (◡‿◡✿)

# ¿ Mar 8, 2021 05:08

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

it was an ice axe not an ice pick

# ¿ May 22, 2021 04:18

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

fermun posted:

https://twitter.com/DSA_Intl_Comm/status/1422722217691992070

is this a joke? wtf

# ¿ Aug 4, 2021 03:43

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

CaptainACAB posted:

The DSA exists to kneecap leftists and always has.

and people say that progressives can't accomplish anything

# ¿ Dec 14, 2021 02:37

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

some plague rats posted:

what kind of stupid bullshit is this. I can't even parse it

Someone realized the organization they joined was the DSA

# ¿ Feb 11, 2022 22:44

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

comedyblissoption posted:

refuse to read any of that but atlanta dsa was the one phonebanking for ossoff who explicitly campaigned on being against m4a

a rare victory in the history of electoralism. dsa supported an anti-m4a candidate and that candidate kept their promise once elected

# ¿ Feb 11, 2022 23:25

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

Bideo James posted:

the people ive known for years in DSA all made a slack and discord for two separate things (professional / "fun")

the fun part was them making a discord channel to exclusively talk about their Teslas and try to get other people to buy them

lmao lol

# ¿ Mar 20, 2022 02:11

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

NeatHeteroDude posted:

I used to think a lot about the DSA (like half a decade ago, when I was younger), and one of my friends keeps up on their internet drama. Has anyone explained why they disbanded that BDS working group(s)?

The DSA does not exist to be outside of the democratic party nor does it exist to present alternative views. BDS working group only ever had one end, and that end was humiliation and expulsion.

# ¿ Mar 20, 2022 02:43

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

AnimeIsTrash posted:

goal is making the world a better place.

Significantly, this is not the goal of the DSA.

# ¿ Mar 20, 2022 02:49

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Ultimately you have to work with the tools you are given, or create new ones (lol at doing this in the US). All the very online DSA types are idiots but at the end of the day the DSA are one of the main groups that show up.

Freddie deBoer is a weirdo, but he is absolutely on point with this article.

https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/dsa-shows-up?s=r

The DSA shows up. . .to support the candidates who are against everything the DSA ostensibly stands for. If you think there is still salvaging the group or that the tools on offer can be used in support of changing the world rather than stifling that change, then I can't argue with you. My viewpoint is fundamentally different.

To me, the DSA is a fingertrap for some and a way to safely destroy labor, energy, and resources for others.

# ¿ Mar 20, 2022 03:02

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

Best Friends posted:

to �copjacket� someone is to give them a jacket in the largest available size

p. sure the largest available size is the "goonjacket"

# ¿ Mar 20, 2022 21:31

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

joepinetree posted:

This is a good example of why I left DSA. Aside from a number of separate dramas, and campaigning for ossof and all that. It's the way it takes all your energy and forces you to channel it internally.

The DSA really does seem to be like the perfect machine for the destruction of labor and resources. Campaigning for Ossof is a wonderful example: you have a candidate who is on the record as against the goals and aims of your organization and rather than sitting this campaign out, the organization permits the pro-Ossof campaigners to control the discussion and drag the rightfully unwilling into service lest they be accused of disloyalty.

# ¿ Mar 27, 2022 04:27

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

croup coughfield posted:

does dsa even do anything anymore? i havent heard anbything about them in awhile

name me a better place to find friends or victims

# ¿ Apr 10, 2023 22:07

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

fermun posted:

looking through the information that they made available before tomorrow's budget meeting, it looks like expected revenue from dues went down by about $500,000 for 2024 and personnel expenses are expected to go up by about $750,000, primarily due to about $250,000 increase in health insurance premiums for national staff and the 2023 convention voting to give the NPC and national labor committee stipends, which are expected to hit $455,000 this year between the 20-odd people eligible. additionally $200,000 was earmarked at the convention to help 10 chapters rent an office.

they also say that historically they get a big bump of membership and donation revenue on election years but that they can't rely on it, so they intend to make some cuts tomorrow with further cuts set up if cash on hand ends up down to 4 months of operation and then a new budget meeting should it raise above some length of time they determine in the future.

well they got to make up one hell of a hole at 30K a month

was there ever a reason behind why they needed to hire a "national harassment and grievance officer" at 30K a month? I mean, it didn't occur to me that the DSA's national harassment and grievance issues were such that they needed to hire a specialist at $187.50 per hour

bedpan has issued a correction as of 11:11 on Jan 14, 2024

# ¿ Jan 14, 2024 10:54

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

~~assuming $500,000 a year, 72% of the yearly rake off the membership was going to this single person's salary~~

ahh, I see. Dues went down by 500K.

# ¿ Jan 14, 2024 10:57

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

lumpentroll posted:

is svart still employed by the dsa

of course, why would you want to fire someone who was doing exactly what they were supposed to do?

according to her linkedin, she went from graduating from the university of chicago (lmao) to the "Massachusetts Public Interest Research Group" to the "Service Employees International Union" to the "Committee of Interns and Residents/SEIU Healthcare" before ending up at the DSA in 2011.

I've no doubt she has been wildly successful at each position.

# ¿ Jan 14, 2024 11:04

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

"standard" membership in the DSA is billed at $15 per month so the DSA needed 2000 standard members to pay a single month for the services of a "national harassment and grievance officer"

bedpan has issued a correction as of 11:10 on Jan 14, 2024

# ¿ Jan 14, 2024 11:06

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

Ending the Grievance Officer Contract

quote:

Due to its massive cost, last term�s Bread & Roses NPC members led a successful effort to end the contract with Paula Brantner of PB Work Solutions, who handles national grievance issues. At our 2023 convention, our comrades in another caucus put forward a resolution to put that effort into official effect, and it passed by a wide margin. However, many months after this decision was made, PB Work Solutions is still on payroll. This is because before DSA can end her contract, we must find a replacement. Per her contract, before she departs DSA, she must spend at least a month training a replacement and is required to complete end-of-contract deliverables. Because of this, for every month DSA retains PM work solutions, DSA spends $30,000 and must pay an additional $30,000 at the conclusion of her contract.

We recognize the importance of a grievance officer: inadequately handled misconduct has destroyed other left organizations and we must not allow that to happen in DSA. But we can protect DSA without this staggering cost. It�s time to end the contract once and for all and stop hemorrhaging this money.

There is an ongoing debate over whether to hire a staff member to be our grievance officer or to hire another, less expensive consultant. While it is less clear to us what the best long-term solution is, we believe that we should appoint one or multiple temporary grievance officer(s) from our membership. This could be a member of the National Grievance Committee, an experienced chapter-level grievance officer, an NPC member, or some combination of these. With PB Work Solutions providing guidance for at least the first month, the NPC will still be able to process grievances and handle any urgent issues without unnecessarily spending money.

Conclusion
Like any other budget, the DSA budget is a political statement of our values and priorities. Bread & Roses is committed to budget transparency and we hope that this article contributes to political discussion about our budget. We look forward to hearing any responses to our proposals and arguments, to spirited debate around our finances, and ultimately, to moving on from the budget to focus on our work to revitalize the labor movement, build towards a workers party, and fight for justice around the globe.

# ¿ Jan 14, 2024 11:18

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

In Training posted:

The most wrecker poo poo imaginable. Instead of just raising your hand and joining the queue of speakers at a meeting, ranked preference in the speaking line is based on identity in a spectrum of opressedness.

what in the world

# ¿ Jan 15, 2024 21:37

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

joepinetree posted:

At its pre-pandemic peak there was certainly a major contingent of creepy guys who legitimately thought "it's ok, im just being sex positive" was a good excuse for hitting on every woman in the org.

One of the people I'd hang out with at DSA events was this woman who worked as a stripper. The only reason I learned she was a stripper was because I was having a conversation with her and some other guy recognized her, proceeded to identify the club she worked at, and started to ask questions about her schedule to go there and see her.

# ¿ Jan 15, 2024 23:34

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

fermun posted:

the new york city dsa speed dating event has become their largest single fundraising event they've ever had (it costs $50 to register), and they have had so many women sign up registering as straight that they are considering a reduced registration cost for straight and bi men

women be horny

don't believe it though

# ¿ Jan 19, 2024 05:06

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

Weka posted:

https://www.dsausa.org/statements/dsa-condemns-u-s-and-israeli-hostilities-in-palestine-and-west-asia/

On the face of it this article seems good right? But it is just an attempt to whitewash American crimes in Yemen, where American forces have directly bombed Yemenis as well as having boots on the ground to this day. As well as running their own blockade through the Combined Maritime Forces. You can find this out by reading a wikipedia article, but the DSA will ignore it completely.

Unsurprisingly, Trots are OK with American fascism's left wing. I thought I would have a look at the most recent thing on Socialist Alternative's website.

Lol.
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OK so the USA's last president was as antiwar as an American president can be (not very), but the previous president, Obama, invaded both Syria and Libya and began direct American attacks on Ansar Allah, as well as massively ramping up the American presence in Africa. Oh and sponsored a fascist led coup in Ukraine, kicking off a war there.
Before that was Bush.

It is hardly accurate to say the amount of wars is increasing.
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This sort of statement intended to suggest Putin is a right winger that stops short of actually saying it because it is not true is disingenuous. He is ideologically a classical liberal (ie to the left of Sanders economically) who is running what seems to be a state capitalist country. Of course as far as identity politics goes he is to the right, and that is normally the focus for American so called leftists.

Most telling is this idea that authoritarianism is bad. How does Socialist Alternative expect to advance socialism meaningfully without it? Voting?

IMO a government that has elevated noted genocidaire and Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera to the status of primary national hero IS fascist.
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If Russian people in Ukraine have the right to separate from the country, and have been attacked by Ukraine for exercising this right, how is Putin's invasion which is protecting these rights imperialism? I'm not sure how "Tartar" (sic) people would practically cede from Ukraine as they don't represent a majority anywhere, and numbered 73,000 at the last census. American propagandists love to bring them up for some reason though. Perhaps because they can be held up as indigenous Crimeans justifying attempts to recapture the peninsula against the will of its people.

Also worth noting according to the last census, Russian speakers outnumber Ukrainian speakers within the 2013 borders.
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Perhaps the most obvious example of the sympathies of the author is relying on claims made by American state media (NPR), particularly Charles Maynes, whose last job was at Voice of America, founded by the CIA.

hundreds of thousands of Yemenis dying in US backed Saudi and UAE war and blockade on Yemen is bad but. . .

also lmao at the CIA to NPR pipeline

# ¿ Jan 21, 2024 00:55

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

Nothus posted:

It's an election year, so it's time for the DSA to set aside petty differences and get out there and phone bank for Joe Biden.

# ¿ Mar 28, 2024 15:00

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

still baffled as to why the DSA needed to pay someone $30,000 per month to be a "national grievance officer"

# ¿ Mar 28, 2024 16:17

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

all of these adult partner fetishists

# ¿ Apr 2, 2024 16:25

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

DaysBefore posted:

Lotta grievances generated and nobody to settle them....

# ¿ Apr 18, 2024 19:25

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

khazar sansculotte posted:

One of the more common and socially acceptable ways to sexually harass people at DSA meetings is to say that they're "too hot to trot," or as they call it, bappin'

joepinetree posted:

At its pre-pandemic peak there was certainly a major contingent of creepy guys who legitimately thought "it's ok, im just being sex positive" was a good excuse for hitting on every woman in the org.

One of the people I'd hang out with at DSA events was this woman who worked as a stripper. The only reason I learned she was a stripper was because I was having a conversation with her and some other guy recognized her, proceeded to identify the club she worked at, and started to ask questions about her schedule to go there and see her.

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 13:18

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

some insanely good DSA stories that should be consolidated into the OP of a new thread

# ¿ Apr 24, 2024 16:52

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