DSA: our brake light guy got arrested for beating his wife

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In Training: Jun 28, 2008

LittleBlackCloud posted:

I meant something with an actual line. I know that the left in the US is a joke, but you have to start somewhere and an org without a party line and democratic socialist in the name isn't the most appealing. I guess I'll just go to a meeting or something.

you can click back a couple pages in this very thread to see a big discussion from a few months ago about this. you should go to a meeting, there's never harm in it to at least see what your chapter is like.

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# ¿ May 5, 2024 04:33

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yeah 25% is better than what I woulda thought. in 2 more years of Biden maybe more people will realize that Dems are a waste etc.

# ¿ Aug 8, 2021 22:02

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R. Mute posted:

a political party run entirely through twitter

what a time to be alive

DSA very explicitly are not a political party.

# ¿ Mar 19, 2022 21:25

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I think contemporary American left orgs should institute a No Social Media regiment for membership, akin to the abstention from drugs+alcohol of 20th century party members. It will probably fix a lot of people's brains

# ¿ Jun 28, 2022 13:36

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There's little to no buy-in to join a local DSA chapter, might as well give it a shot and see if you like the work that's going on.

# ¿ Jun 28, 2022 23:54

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will Lehman is running on a platform of "abolish the UAW" he is a complete loon

# ¿ Aug 30, 2022 05:35

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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

https://twitter.com/SocDemsAmerica/status/1569332463222280195

Lol. 9 likes as well

# ¿ Sep 12, 2022 23:56

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international socialism ftw.

# ¿ Oct 6, 2022 22:22

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The Lemondrop Dandy posted:

We are deep in an anti-jail levy campaign right now and our YDSA has just submitted enough cards to get the first public university student workers union.

A whole lot more besides.

you mean in your state? There are definitely public university student workers unions, in NYC the CUNY student workers are part of DC37 iirc.

I haven't been too involved in DSA in my region, but I know one of the fully sick electeds Zohran is trying to get a comprehensive overhaul of NYC public transportation through the municipal govt which would make every subway line have trains running at every stop every 4 minutes and all bus routes free. God speed I love public transportation

# ¿ Apr 11, 2023 11:36

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You can just call them liberals if you want to sound less insane

# ¿ May 5, 2023 17:19

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Sounds like my wife.

# ¿ May 5, 2023 17:22

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Donating to the crowd fund to cover pickle Ricks airfare+hotel for the DSA convention

# ¿ Jul 5, 2023 20:25

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How's the convention going. Did they discuss repercussions for DSA electeds crushing strikes.

# ¿ Aug 7, 2023 20:18

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Grilled Beef posted:

so DSA is gonna be bankrupt come August after the Cardinal people on the former NPC oversaw a 25% drop in membership and continued to pay the NHGO $30,000 per month after they “fired her” because the committee of Cardinal folks didn’t bother to hire anyone.

8 months of claimed “approximately biweekly meetings” and they hadn’t even written a job posting yet.

$330,000 up in smoke. At least if they had literally set it on fire some unhoused might have gotten heat and light. Here it just went to a lawyer because they want to play model government and party with their clique instead of doing anything

You got something I could read about this.

# ¿ Jan 13, 2024 01:04

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Weka posted:

yep, here you go

so DSA is gonna be bankrupt come August after the Cardinal people on the former NPC oversaw a 25% drop in membership and continued to pay the NHGO $30,000 per month after they �fired her� because the committee of Cardinal folks didn�t bother to hire anyone.

8 months of claimed �approximately biweekly meetings� and they hadn�t even written a job posting yet.

$330,000 up in smoke. At least if they had literally set it on fire some unhoused might have gotten heat and light. Here it just went to a lawyer because they want to play model government and party with their clique instead of doing anything

Thank you.

# ¿ Jan 13, 2024 05:51

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fermun posted:

the $30,000/month national harassment and grievance officer contract is because the national leadership when she was hired had assigned the national director, maria svart, to do the hiring and she went with a personal friend that doesn't identify as a socialist and disagrees with the goals of dsa and so signed a contract that said the nhgo gets paid $30,000/month until 1 month after being replaced, should she get fired. then the nhgo failed to meet her job duties and filed all paperwork months later than it was due so got fired and for some reason hasn't been replaced yet.

Thank you. Svart sucks lol why is she the head the org.

# ¿ Jan 14, 2024 17:00

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R. Mute posted:

also why is this all in the open? why do i know this

Why wouldn't it be? Woudl it be better that the membership doesn't know how their dues are being spent?

# ¿ Jan 14, 2024 22:08

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fermun posted:

as a reminder, you can't be a communist alone, so even as dysfunctional as dsa is, if youre not in an org, you're a lib.

it doesn't have to be dsa, though thats the only org available in a lot of places, but join salt or cpusa or whatever

yeah this. I'm not currently a member of DSA but I still show up for random activities they organize (rallies, canvasses, union trainings etc.) bc they definitely have dedicated people doing good work even within a very dysfunctional and politically haphazard org. There's also PSL in some places which seems to be gaining members over the last period? And has a more coherent position on internationalism and the role of American leftists than an org like socialist alternative. They're all fairly small potatoes of course but that's the conditions we live in so w/e.

# ¿ Jan 15, 2024 16:29

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joepinetree posted:

I've been part of organizing faculty, students and staff under the same union. About 1/3 of my department joined because of me.

In fact, doing that was the beginning of the end for me. Because doing this union felt easy, people were earnest and collaborative, and it wasn't an endless energy suck.

Especially because at the same time this was getting off the ground, my disillusion was starting to grow with DSA. I think I even posted about it here. Some clown who only ever attended meetings remotely and never actually participated in anything spent literally half a meeting arguing that everything that DSA did should have an ASL interpreter and child care available. Now, the sticking point wasn't that the rest didn't want an ASL interpreter. The sticking point is that she thought those things should be provided even if no one requested it, because even making it available upon request is ableist. Thinking about it now and its stuff like this that probably ballooned the dsa budget, because she was adamant that there had to be an ASL interpreter at every event even if no one requested and we knew of no one who needed it.

trade unionism is where I put all my energy too ftw.

# ¿ Jan 15, 2024 17:23

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R. Mute posted:

unions are great, but they aren't vehicles for revolutionary change. and if there's no revolutionary party pressuring unions, they have a tendency to slide into complacency and/or defeatism. sucks that you americans don't really have any viable communist parties out there.

Yeah my view on the current conditions in US is that there needs to be a left wing cadre developed through trade union reformism that can open people to the value of communist tactics + internationalism. The moribund existing unions are weak to takeover alongside growing mass support for anti imperialism that can't be supported by unions as they are now.

Were a ways away from a revolutionary party existing but the people that will build that org are struggling in different industries w/o a central & principled party. I believe it can be built. It won't be DSA but a lot of people involved with it will probably come from DSA etc.

# ¿ Jan 15, 2024 18:30

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PhilippAchtel posted:

What's a progressive stack?

The most wrecker poo poo imaginable. Instead of just raising your hand and joining the queue of speakers at a meeting, ranked preference in the speaking line is based on identity in a spectrum of opressedness.

# ¿ Jan 15, 2024 21:36

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I have never, praise be, been at a meeting that uses progressive stack and hope I never have to.

# ¿ Jan 15, 2024 21:37

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Heightening the contradictions AND getting laid at the same time?? These hitlerites have it made in the shade

# ¿ Jan 15, 2024 23:39

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mawarannahr posted:

socialist alternative makes you pay money to support anticommunist British guys in Hong Kong

this is why i left SA lol. their antichinese stance is unrelenting and the only thing it does for americans is give a left-wing cover to justify further escalation against china. its so stupid.

# ¿ Jan 16, 2024 16:06

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# ¿ Jan 16, 2024 19:59

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Americans are awesome.

# ¿ Jan 19, 2024 05:05

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Ace of Baes posted:

I suggested years ago that dsa members shouldn't be allowed to date each other and everyone yelled at me, but I still stand by it, we need to be out there dicking down/getting dicked down by apolitical people, the feds Honeypot people constantly to get more agents/assets, dsa isn't playing to win.

Now they're putting resources into just laying time bombs in their own branches, brilliant mov e

# ¿ Jan 19, 2024 22:28

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Left wing anticommunism win.

# ¿ Jan 29, 2024 23:22

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thank GOD this poo poo is inevitable due to the daily struggles of the colonized. Otherwise I might have to do something g Lol.

# ¿ Jan 29, 2024 23:23

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Nothus posted:

It's an election year, so it's time for the DSA to set aside petty differences and get out there and phone bank for Joe Biden.

That would be pretty embarrassing, I think they'll probably just endorse no one. I could be surprised though lol

# ¿ Mar 28, 2024 16:07

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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

i read all of that

Same here.

# ¿ Mar 28, 2024 22:25

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Al! posted:

oh yeah how did the dsa reckon with the fact that theyve campaigned for multiple people who are complicit in a genocide by the way?

The majority of the membership just re endorsed AOC. So theres no contradiction. The org is acting in representation of their majority

# ¿ Mar 29, 2024 20:40

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Pentecoastal Elites posted:

I think DSA should be retooled into a rotary club for millennial nominal socialists: community service, union fundraisers, little catered dinners where they give each other little accolades and speeches and stuff. Incalculably better, safer, and more effective than whatever the gently caress they're doing now, and maybe one day it'd even become a place to meet like-minded people to do some actual class organizing. outside of the DSA.

I think this is what their NYC office bldg is. But also the only thing they do out here is doorknock for Democrats. Sometimes they table for union campaigns which I pitch in on since thats a fine way to spend your hands and brain.

# ¿ Mar 30, 2024 04:56

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What an amazing opportunity for US socialists and they just piss it away. Cowardly chauvinists.

# ¿ Apr 18, 2024 15:49

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They're a western Marxist caucus - you can tell bc they're spending their energy and time criticizing AES

# ¿ Apr 18, 2024 16:00

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my_custom_username posted:

Turning down the opportunity to speak with the head of one of the few standing socialist states, leftishly

there are trots receiving CIA money that should be given an audience too. all voices matter

# ¿ Apr 18, 2024 18:08

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people should prolly just join PSL at this point. Seems like the only left wing US org with proper Marxist politics that doesn't try to punch above it's weight and, at least to an outsider, seems fairly Normal as it grows through the support of street actions and political education.

# ¿ Apr 18, 2024 18:35

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alarumklok posted:

it is incredible how terrible the DSA is. they make my entirely captured union look like the bolsheviks

business unions still need to operate well enough to cut back room deals and make sure members get the bare minimum of regular raises, benefits and contract enforcement, which, even when done maliciously/venally, takes a lot of organizational acumen. And the ability to enforce their ideology on staff/volunteers

# ¿ Apr 18, 2024 18:37

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Atrocious Joe posted:

Is DSA not gonna endorse AOC? I'm seeing Twitter posts angry about the possibility.

I'm pretty sure they already did.

Edit: the NYC chapter did. Idk about national.

# ¿ Apr 23, 2024 15:25

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# ¿ May 5, 2024 04:33

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Cassian do you like modern day China?

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