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Ferrinus posted:say what you will about north star but biden's withdrawal from afghanistan marks the caucus as THE premiere anti-imperialist formation in DSA Only because they selectively apply their dual card regulations to keep Taliban members out.
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Fansy posted:Do you have a specific critique of Clay or is this just "politician bad" Glancing at her website the thing that really stood out to me is her idea to make the world famously bad Chigaco PD better is to rely on the Community Commission for Public Safety and Accountability, which seems like it'll just be run be establishment Dems. Also use of the term "Latinx". Seems like a left liberal at best.
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May 6, 2023 07:53
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Fansy posted:What sort of police oversight does your community have? Civil service organization headed by a judge with 3 board members with the usual suspect type political appointees and a couple dozen staff formally but writ large it has a reasonably functioning society and public opinion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Police_Conduct_Authority There is a big difference between some and the majority being succ dems, and given it's Chicago I'm guessing it'll be an easy majority. Are you looking forward to gerrymandered police districts? Where I live the most right wing party is further left than the democrat party and the furthest left party is still a neoliberal party so that's why I am skeptical about finding a left wing Chicago councilor rather than a pro idpol social democrat that wants some inevitably poorly implemented social programs to soften the worst aspects of American capitalism.
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Fansy posted:Interesting! I don't know anything about policing in New Zealand, but wouldn't you prefer elected oversight to appointed? Not really. What's the functional difference? The elected official appoints them so you get roughly the same ideological bent but (at least here where politics are less incredibly partisan) they don't have to engage in political crowd pleasing nonsense because their job is not on the line every few years. I'm not sure how you think an elected board will help when the same people who vote in the mayor will vote in that board. Appreciate your being open to talk about this stuff.
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croup coughfield posted:they sent me this picture, and others. It's only polite to send a group photo to everyone that's in it.
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Here's the actual union document according to somebody in that twitter thread. Looks to me like unless they paid somebody to set up that table it's not a violation of the union deal. Could it be that the DSA is weaponizing this union thing to attack the left?
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CaptainJuan posted:No other caucus was allowed to table either. I guess idk about the union thing but MUG are annoying nerds Rules are rules I suppose. What makes you say MUG are annoying nerds?
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Eliot Rosewater posted:their members couldnt handle setting up a booth but are arguing right now on twitter that we should bring back the draft but for a people’s army Are they wrong? What's your plan, to vote? Which leftist government has come to power without doing this?
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Eliot Rosewater posted:is there a need for defense against reaction and counter-revolution when the time comes? sure. should it be led by the one group in dsa that cant even hand out their trot newspaper without loving it up? lol You need offense not defense against those things. It's pretty hard to comment on tweets that have been barely described, but as they've previously been described they're correct. Are these fellows really saying they should be at the head of the American Red Army, or just that there should be one? platzapS posted:NPC just voted to affirm Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. gently caress me sideways, who names this crap?
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Could you explain wtf any of that means to normal people who consider thye DSA to be a hitlerite association of lumpenized democrat careerists and perverts so don't follow it's internal workings?
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In Training posted:You got something I could read about this. yep, here you go so DSA is gonna be bankrupt come August after the Cardinal people on the former NPC oversaw a 25% drop in membership and continued to pay the NHGO $30,000 per month after they “fired her” because the committee of Cardinal folks didn’t bother to hire anyone. 8 months of claimed “approximately biweekly meetings” and they hadn’t even written a job posting yet. $330,000 up in smoke. At least if they had literally set it on fire some unhoused might have gotten heat and light. Here it just went to a lawyer because they want to play model government and party with their clique instead of doing anything
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Grilled Beef posted:https://discussion.dsausa.org/t/dsa-january-2024-treasury-report-short-briefing/29435/34 this requires a password
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I will harass and aggreive the DSA at a national level for much less than 360 grand a year also thanks fermun
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So some time ago some of the local collection of lumpenized democrat careerists in this thread were very happy they had elected an alderman, Angela Clay, in Chicago. I was wondering how she has been going. Has she achieved anything?
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Jon Pod Van Damm posted:socialism with american characteristics Lol
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yellowcar posted:swear fealty to the People's Republic of China and the Communist Party of China and work to undermine the United States government Yep. The west ain't getting no communism until America is destroyed.
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FrancisFukyomama posted:cpusa sometimes has brunches ... after official business is over Guillotine Mr. Lobe posted:You have a pretty distorted notion of what hyping is. I did not mention what org I was tabling with at the Olympia action until asked, and in that quote you cited I literally described us as small potatoes. Because we are. We are like 12 people. Tell us about your org and please don't take SHMM's bad manners to heart. Also, how do you feel about the PRC as an individual? piss guzzler 420 posted:i haven’t been paying attention has anyone democratically ushered socialism into power yet Yes. Just not liberal democratically. Ytlaya posted:While it's a shame that it funnels some money towards meaningless stuff, I figure that it's good to have a hobby, and DSA is a good hobby for some people. It serves as a pressure release valve that allows people to think they are doing the right thing, salving their justifiably guilty westoid conscience.
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lobster shirt posted:Ceramic crowned Ftfy
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Ferrinus posted:DSA. join the international committee I hope this is a joke but on the off chance "https://www.dsausa.org/democratic-left/no-to-chinese-authoritarianism-no-to-yellow-peril/ posted:No to Chinese Authoritarianism, No to “Yellow Peril”
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Schir posted:dsa: the dating socialists app. I think you mean the decorous overthrow of the state
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Oh let me just get a more recent article from searching their webpage for "China", this one from September 29, 2022 https://www.dsausa.org/democratic-left/strait-jacketed-thinking-on-taiwan/ quote:“Taiwan has seen thousands of years of settlement” by the “original residents of Taiwan”: its indigenous peoples. They in particular would reject any notion that their home is a natural extension of the modern Chinese nation-state. ~2.3% of Taiwanese are indigenous, it is extremely disingenuous to base independence arguments on their existence. Technically true but again an extremely disingenuous way of occluding the fact Taiwan is an American dagger pointed at China's heart. "Once America preferred one Taiwanese politician over another so the current Taiwanese government is clearly not an American proxy" Lol this one is a classic. "Helping overthrow the world's most successful communist government as an American is effective anti imperialism!"
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Lol their most recent statement on China is in support of the Hong Kong protests in 2019. "China, an authoritarian regime without fair trials and rules of law." https://www.dsausa.org/statements/dsa-supports-protests-against-extradition-bill-in-hong-kong/ If I was a leftist org I would simply express my support for the world's most successful leftist organization, particularly when I had previously attacked them with boilerplate state department talking points.
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fermun posted:that one was part of why the international committee was dissolved and re-formed in 2021 which that promise li guy was so mad about in the linked tweets on the last page There's not much See for yourself https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=china+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Finternational.dsausa.org%2Fstatements Atrocious Joe posted:It's probably a good thing DSA hasn't made a statement on China in like 5 years if the previous statements were all trash The DSA is the Ernst Röhm of America
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https://www.dsausa.org/statements/dsa-condemns-u-s-and-israeli-hostilities-in-palestine-and-west-asia/DSA Condemns U.S. and Israeli hostilities in Palestine and West Asia JANUARY 13, 2024 posted:
On the face of it this article seems good right? But it is just an attempt to whitewash American crimes in Yemen, where American forces have directly bombed Yemenis as well as having boots on the ground to this day. As well as running their own blockade through the Combined Maritime Forces. You can find this out by reading a wikipedia article, but the DSA will ignore it completely. fermun posted:this was the reasoning that SAlt decided to have members openly dual-card in DSA, which DSA responded with accepting as long as they aren't trying to cause splits. that's been working pretty ok since that became a thing in December 2020. the local chapter of PSL also allows my chapter to use their office for us to have meetings too large for my chapter's office, which gives our members and their members an opportunity to engage with each other, though they don't dual-card. Unsurprisingly, Trots are OK with American fascism's left wing. I thought I would have a look at the most recent thing on Socialist Alternative's website. https://www.socialistalternative.org/2024/01/18/ukraine-update-stalemate-cold-war-shifts-in-consciousness/ posted:
Lol. === OK so the USA's last president was as antiwar as an American president can be (not very), but the previous president, Obama, invaded both Syria and Libya and began direct American attacks on Ansar Allah, as well as massively ramping up the American presence in Africa. Oh and sponsored a fascist led coup in Ukraine, kicking off a war there. Before that was Bush. It is hardly accurate to say the amount of wars is increasing. === This sort of statement intended to suggest Putin is a right winger that stops short of actually saying it because it is not true is disingenuous. He is ideologically a classical liberal (ie to the left of Sanders economically) who is running what seems to be a state capitalist country. Of course as far as identity politics goes he is to the right, and that is normally the focus for American so called leftists. Most telling is this idea that authoritarianism is bad. How does Socialist Alternative expect to advance socialism meaningfully without it? Voting? IMO a government that has elevated noted genocidaire and Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera to the status of primary national hero IS fascist. === If Russian people in Ukraine have the right to separate from the country, and have been attacked by Ukraine for exercising this right, how is Putin's invasion which is protecting these rights imperialism? I'm not sure how "Tartar" (sic) people would practically cede from Ukraine as they don't represent a majority anywhere, and numbered 73,000 at the last census. American propagandists love to bring them up for some reason though. Perhaps because they can be held up as indigenous Crimeans justifying attempts to recapture the peninsula against the will of its people. Also worth noting according to the last census, Russian speakers outnumber Ukrainian speakers within the 2013 borders. === Perhaps the most obvious example of the sympathies of the author is relying on claims made by American state media (NPR), particularly Charles Maynes, whose last job was at Voice of America, founded by the CIA.
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Yeah cbo, I might have some mean things to say about SAlt but conflating them with the DSA is a bridge too far even for me.bedpan posted:hundreds of thousands of Yemenis dying in US backed Saudi and UAE war and blockade on Yemen is bad but. . . Buddy the post you are quoting says it was a direct war not a proxy one! Weka posted:But it is just an attempt to whitewash American crimes in Yemen, where American forces have directly bombed Yemenis as well as having boots on the ground to this day. As well as running their own blockade through the Combined Maritime Forces. You can find this out by reading a wikipedia article, but the DSA will ignore it completely.
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So are there any dsa goons willing to abuse their power and put something I write in their little magazine?
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It's just the word "hitler" for the max word count
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AnimeIsTrash posted:weka doesnt even believe in communism lol I don't support a communist revolution in NZ in the short or medium term because it is impractical in the context of our society and the nature of our hegemon. There is no point fighting battles like this you cannot win. As far as I can tell NZ has no significant communist organizations and those we do have are trots. That is why for instance I support the Taliban rather than hoping for some fantasy communist revolution in Afghanistan that would be immediately destroyed just like last time. I am basically a Maoist third worldist so I think you can do more good to bring about global communism by supporting national liberation of currently colonized countries than anything else. I do not prioritize the struggle in my country over that of others, I am an internationalist. To want the already amazing living conditions here improved before improving the lot of the worst off seems to me to be an unjustifiable position, practically and ethically. At the end of the day the number one thing opposing the development of the communist mode of production is American foreign policy so to me opposing that is a more effective way of achieving the long term end goals I think we largely share. Ansar Allah is a more revolutionary organization than any kiwi communist organization could be in my lifetime. Those quotes, if I recall, are me saying that a political party that materially supported NZ's blockade of Yemen whilst failing to even give lip service to opposing it is my enemy, ideologically and practically, specifically directed at the NZ Greens, our closest analogue to the DSA. Neither org is likely to materially advance communism. Anglophone communists who think you can unionize your way to revolution are more of a joke than euro-communists, they have no understanding of history or worse, are willingly ignoring it because they are too scared to loose their access to treats.
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In Training posted:thank GOD this poo poo is inevitable due to the daily struggles of the colonized. Otherwise I might have to do something g Lol. Unlike what seems like most MTW I think there are plenty of ways you can help the colonized nations from the west. Joining a social democrat org is not one of them.
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AnimeIsTrash posted:this is completely incoherent man, how are you goign to advocate for people in the 3rd world when you cant even advocate for the workers in your own country. there is even a population within your country that constantly been placed under the thumb of your government lol Ah, the mystical normal people
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fermun posted:while it's a very funny idea to publish the writings of some new zealand "communist" who has never managed to find a single person willing to hang out with them, no. Oh yeah sorry I am late to this but I confused you for the PSL goon who deserves some respect. You pay dues to an organization that mostly functions as a polycule arranger so this insult seems like projection to me. I shouldn't discount the fine work you fellows do sheepdogging for fascists though (:
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fermun posted:it's been very funny how hard the dsa staff union is fighting for the jobs of the non-union managerial staff in this layoff negotiation process. they're not union members! how do you have no class consciousness as an ostensibly socialist union staff member of a socialist organization? and the union proposals so far have been to reduce the catering budget at the bi-annual convention (which is usually set by the venue and is not enough to save any jobs) and to ask for members to do phone banks to other members asking them to increase their monthly dues so that dsa can afford to keep all of the staff, including their managers. The nazi party was ostensibly socialist
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But yes, I think I am going to join the farmers union
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Golden Bee posted:do we still have the Maori third worlder? Lol you made me check my post for spelling, but I am only normal in the normal sense, ie maori, not normal in the sense of Maori.
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jarofpiss posted:unserious
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tristeham posted:unserious hitlerites...
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Congratulations to the DSA on getting Democrats to end their support for the Gaza genocide through the power of phone banking
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I am calling on the DSA to do the right thing and endorse the harm reduction candidate this election. The only anti war president of our lifetimes, the man who when economic stimulus was needed gave money to ordinary people, who got us a covid vaccine significantly quicker, a political outsider untainted by decades of political deals and obligations. It is time to break free of the shackles of the Democrat party and its rightward movement. The modern exemplar of pushing a party left. Donald J Trump.khazar sansculotte posted:I do a lot of mediation/grievance/arbitration stuff for my day job. Even if that person were handling real grievances non-stop for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, 52 weeks a year, they were being paid almost double what they were worth. With the volume of grievances they probably were handling, it was the grift of the century. $15,000 a month is still too much. Just get a kindergarten teacher to do it
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