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Grilled Beef
Oct 27, 2023
so DSA is gonna be bankrupt come August after the Cardinal people on the former NPC oversaw a 25% drop in membership and continued to pay the NHGO $30,000 per month after they “fired her” because the committee of Cardinal folks didn’t bother to hire anyone.

8 months of claimed “approximately biweekly meetings” and they hadn’t even written a job posting yet.

$330,000 up in smoke. At least if they had literally set it on fire some unhoused might have gotten heat and light. Here it just went to a lawyer because they want to play model government and party with their clique instead of doing anything

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Grilled Beef
Oct 27, 2023

In Training posted:

You got something I could read about this.

https://discussion.dsausa.org/t/dsa-january-2024-treasury-report-short-briefing/29435/34

Grilled Beef
Oct 27, 2023

lumpentroll posted:

is svart still employed by the dsa

she announced her resignation yesterday at the NPC meeting

Grilled Beef
Oct 27, 2023

PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:

Wasn't their biggest campaign at the national level, post Bernie and with enormous membership growth, trying to get Keith Ellison elected as like the DNC chair or some other Democratic party functionary?

no, the push to get the PROAct passed, and the present one against Israel both easily dwarf that

Grilled Beef
Oct 27, 2023

fermun posted:

as a reminder, you can't be a communist alone, so even as dysfunctional as dsa is, if youre not in an org, you're a lib.

it doesn't have to be dsa, though thats the only org available in a lot of places, but join salt or cpusa or whatever

Grilled Beef
Oct 27, 2023

fermun posted:

the layoff resolution just passed, so the 45 day period of negotiation with the union on what the layoffs will look like starts now. the target of 12 that was proposed is based on that being the expected number to get the national org to be solvent through the end of 2025, and those 12 include both union staff and managers for the union staff. coincidentally, the last time the national org was in a healthy financial state was the start of 2020, with about the same number of members and revenue as right now and 20 national staff members, as opposed to 32 now

the PR department has a staff of 4. The only time I ever see DSA in the news is after a spectacular fuckup or Twitter fight. so what the gently caress are those 4 people doing?

Grilled Beef
Oct 27, 2023

jarofpiss posted:

DSA is not a staff led organization. staff doesn’t lead anything. staff provides infrastructure, training, and support for membership to campaigns. i hear what the staff organizers do all day long and the vast majority is training for chapter leadership. also providing direction to try and help keep the amateur chapter membership from violating election law or creating other legal issues for themselves and the org at large. giving them access to national infrastructure, getting them set up with communication lists, helping them work through the process of getting bank accounts, dues share, and when they’re established doing trainings for their local campaigns, putting them in touch with resources for larger national campaigns, etc. membership has dropped and the current proposal leaves the remaining organizers with over 80 chapters each

literally the sort of infrastructural poo poo you need if you want to be anything more than a local book club.

gutting this just reflects the complete baby brain lack of perspective these loving internet posers have about this org.

the majority NPC appears to want to dismantle the existing staff union infrastructure so they can direct funds toward their caucus dictated priorities like preserving the health insurance and paid salaries for the 1099 independent contractor npc co-chairs. its loving starve the beast conservatism in action

co chairs on an npc that can’t seem to produce a budget with actual numbers on it and instead want to drive ahead with firing 8 people (approx 4 more than required to hit their previously requested budget deficit). no target budget number presented in negotiations. these are not professionals in any sense of the word, they are literally just moron internet brains.

this clusterfuck of a committee is consistently self admitting to negotiating in bad faith with the union, committing numerous nlrb violations, and somehow thinks this isn’t going to bite them.

co-chair loving crying on twitter about how hard this has been for her. outrageous. it looks like the plan is to bust the union to gut staff and give jobs for their caucus deep state friends




like i am constantly thinking back on union meetings when i was a teamster and contrasting it with the sort of poo poo the self proclaimed left gets up to and it’s incredible. we are doomed.

i’m trying to imagine if i had a job where different people with zero competence or understanding of my industry got to come in every two years and make a bunch of proclamations and then were tasked with trying to balance a budget (but also they dont know how to count past 10 with their shoes on). loving depressing.


not to say that the cspam internet communists dont have a lot of great advice to give in this thread, but fermun you dont know what youre talking about and this thread is just a spectacle for this reactionary cesspool to jack off to drama in.

maybe don’t post like you know how any of this poo poo has gone or have any sort of valuable perspective to add, unless youre gonna leak new behind the scenes caucus deep state chats?

breaking from the thread/forum trend and being serious for a bit:

there are core problems to DSA that no one can just pull up a line item budget see where money is going, and projections for what poo poo will cost. I don’t know how the bookkeeeping at National got this bad, that the merch budget turned out to actually be 97k a year instead of 45k a year and no one noticed. Also, no one asked why the gently caress we were even spending $45k per year on merchandise! why are we paying an additional $65k on Google drives and zoom accounts and software licenses that aren’t being used? why were we spending $150k on catering?

No one has a clear view of where the money is going to pump the brakes on any of this well before now. and so yeah, it is going to be hard, and probably some staff need to be laid off to balance it, because the kind of operations that the staff are supposed to be doing under the national director just were not happening.

The other part of it is that the elected NPC and the most vocal parts of caucuses are deeply unserious about all of this. if you bring this up it is all shouting about “appealing to bourgeois norms” and “NGO-ification” and “pushing austerity”. Meanwhile the NPC is insisting they have to make cuts to balance the budget when they still do not have a line item budget, statements of reserves and assets, financial projections and explanations.

this is where “assume good faith” runs in to issues, is it good faith to assume you are smart but cynically using this to do shock doctrine to get what you want? Or is it you are stupid and don’t realize the damage being done?

Because that is increasingly relevant. it has been wild to watch these caucuses go so intensely anti union.

there were always 2 questions to this plan by the present NPC majority to eliminate staff and replace them with caucus “volunteers” (who are contractors)

“should we do it?” which they did win a majority for, though they won that majority by shouting down any objections about excessive spending at convention.

“Can we do it?” which was the objection that between the CBA and various legal barriers, shitcanning all the staff to replace with their people was not going to fly. Points on this got the “appeal to bourgeois norms!” crap again, along which whining about “will of the membership”, with maybe 2 people at most knowing what a fine line they would need to walk to do this.

Well now the second point is in full swing here. The present NPC majority has been flipping back and forth between “will of the membership” and “budget crisis” to justify the shock doctrine. but what they can’t find time for is apparently to talk to the labor lawyer so they don’t keep saying and doing atrociously stupid poo poo for ULPs.

Firing people not on budgetary necessity or for performance or because of changes in campaign direction, but because you don’t like their tweets? People who are not on the NPC making the firing decisions? Recording all this in the minutes, which are legal documents? And posting them to show how you are making the decisions?

The layoff “notification” was not sent to the unions or to those who were going to be fired, it was posted on forums and Twitter and that’s how people learned about they were losing their jobs.

Refusing proposed cuts on things like excessive software of the merchandise or catering, all so you can maximize firing?

This is a bunch of childish idiocy that is going to get the organization hit with open and shut ULPs. Because these people are petty immature fools out to settle scores for imagines slights and pay themselves, and can’t conceive of having to act like a loving professional for 5 minutes to get what they want.

instead of getting poo poo together on where the loving money is going and making proper plans and making hiring/firing decisions on strategic considerations and economic necessity, these are cliques of posters throwing a shitfit and it is going to get the organization sued

Grilled Beef
Oct 27, 2023

Xaris posted:

why wouldn't you just say nah the dsa union is not fighting for managerial positions instead? seems like a simpler answer than trying to do holier thou drama

I would imagine it is because jars is sick of having this same argument elsewhere, where people are just making this claim up, and let their anger transfer over here. which is inappropriate but understandable.

The staff union is not fighting for managerial positions. The Personnel committee and other directors were on the call last night to try and defend a director from being fired without severance. So not the union. But also that was the first time it came up in all these meetings, so anyone claiming the union had previously been fighting for them is either just making things up whole cloth or repeating what they heard from someone making poo poo up.

Grilled Beef
Oct 27, 2023

Al! posted:

posters: the dsa is embarassing
jarofpiss: you dont know what youre talking about. the dsa is embarassing and failing

I mean, yeah, that is a very accurate summation. if it could be a thread title it should be

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Grilled Beef
Oct 27, 2023

fermun posted:

the current majority was the minority prior to the last convention and is not responsible for the current budget crisis, the current npc minority is.
The current majority are the ones who shut down the Growth and Development Committee in the midst of the recruitment and retention campaign so they could reconstitute it as “theirs” and blew up the attempt to arrest falling membership numbers. The current majority co-chair worked with the then minority to slow and sabotage everything along, including the wasted 400k on the NGHO, afford mentioned retention program shutdown, and withholding quorum to block committee work for months, driving cost overruns in our tech expenses.

The present NPC minority was warning about the budget at convention, and the current majority shouted those objections down as “austerity”

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notifications have to be voted on by the npc with 24 hours advance notice of what the proposals are, the proposal to lay off 7 union staff members and 1 director was sent by a npc member to the rest of the npc, one of the npc minority then sent that to the staff union and posted it on twitter which is what prompted the proposal to be posted on the dsa forums.
Nope. The email was forwarded to the directors. At which point members of the majority posted it to Twitter and the forums.

It would have been incredibly easy for the NPC majority or just the majority co-chair to contact the union as soon as the directors were emailed, so the steward could give those who were losing their jobs a heads up before posting it live. A mere 1 hour delay before putting it out there would have been respectful.

But the NPC majority, as they have stated, views the staff not as comrades they disagree with, but as a hostile force. And in their worldview such opposition is ontologically evil and so don’t deserve dignity or respect. So we get this kind of behavior.

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the union proposed 4 meetings where they would propose alternate budget cuts to the npc, they presented cutting catering for 2024 at the first, [quote] along with 3 other proposals including a hiring freeze. that was rejected because it would preclude the majority from paying themselves out of the organization’s pockets

[quote]nothing that would save any jobs at the second meeting,
The proposals presented at the second were in excess of director level compensation simply by
correcting the merch costs and the IT excess spending.

The meeting ended without the 4th proposal being shared because Amy W stated that they would not be following the numbers provided to the union in their pursuit of cuts.

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they said they didn't think there was any reason to have any layoffs at the third meeting due to 35K raised in january and 950k of cuts that the NPC had made in january,
and because the NPC still did not provide the required budget documents. The present cuts and dues raised cover 2024. The NPC refuses to provide a budget for 2025 or even agree to use 2024 and its cuts as a base, because they wanted to fire more people.


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then they cancelled the 4th meeting. the staff isn't being serious about the position dsa is in where it will literally go bankrupt next year and can not even afford to have a convention of any kind next year right now.
The staff are presenting numbers and highlighting programs to cut. The NPC majority will not commit to numbers, reverses its votes, and refused to even meet to discuss the proposals - all of which were voted down last night.

the NPC is not trying to solve this. they are not even putting in the effort to enact layoffs in a serious manner. they are not consulting with the labor lawyer, and they are stating their intent to violate the CBA in recorded meetings and documented in the minutes.

even if this was a serious effort to balance the budget, their approach is “we can do what we want” rather than follow the rules and processes they agreed to! The NPC is not being remotely serious about any of this!


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what is dsa supposed to do, hold monthly fundraising phonebanks to call existing members to ask them to increase their monthly dues? because that's literally what the npc minority is proposing and just hoping that raises enough money to get dsa through the end of 2025
I don’t doubt some layoffs are required to get the budget balanced. But the NPC majority doesn’t give a poo poo about balancing the budget, they refuse to even draft one. This is about ramming through layoffs for ideological reasons, except they don’t even have it in them to be serious enough to do their goal in the correct way. Like holy poo poo, you cannot announce your intent to recruit non union part time workers to replace the union workers you are firing right before you vote to fire, it is a clear cut violation of the CBA! These idiots don’t even know when to keep their mouths shut!

Grilled Beef has issued a correction as of 21:05 on Mar 29, 2024

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