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PERPETUAL IDIOT
Sep 12, 2003
Looks like there was a big setback for the democratic socialists today. The candidate they endorsed for the Democratic National Committee chair, the capitalist Keith Ellison, didn't win.

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PERPETUAL IDIOT
Sep 12, 2003

Ace of Baes posted:

Yeah they're hosed, they were already super behind on mailing out people's cards and merch, now they're really gonna get flooded with new members.

Why would new members want to join with the democratic socialists now? Their big endorsement wasn't enough to get Keith Ellison elected to the DNC chair, just like their endorsement of Kerry wasn't enough to get him elected president. That's not a very effective track record.

PERPETUAL IDIOT
Sep 12, 2003

Molly Crabapple famously doxxed a left-wing activist who worked at the UN and got her fired, because she was posting on twitter against the war in Syria.

PERPETUAL IDIOT
Sep 12, 2003

croup coughfield posted:

serious question for people in this org: how would the rank and file of DSA go about fixing these issues? the org obviously needs much greater internal discipline, how would you wrangle these dipshits into a useful union rather than another letterhead with a bunch of messy bullshit under it

The DSA is a Harrington org explicitly built to push the dems left and not enact any meaningful change beyond that. How would I change it so that it enacts meaningful change beyond pushing the dems left? Tender my resignation.

PERPETUAL IDIOT
Sep 12, 2003

paul_soccer12 posted:

it is my understanding that the DSA NPC is made up almost entirely of North Star ppl and that they form the core of DSA decision making nation wide

Just to fact check this a bit, it's made up of all the North Star people and the ghost of Michael Harrington, whom they all bring in via seance very much like a supernatural conference call.

PERPETUAL IDIOT
Sep 12, 2003

Fansy posted:

Do you have a specific critique of Clay or is this just "politician bad"

I went on her website and it doesn't say anywhere that she's a socialist. So is she a socialist?

PERPETUAL IDIOT
Sep 12, 2003

Civilized Fishbot posted:

That's what she told DSA, but you can't give credence to what politicians say. What's consequential is that she's currently dependent on DSA for reelection and it's DSA's job to keep it that way

Oh so she privately told the DSA that she's a socialist, but she doesn't put it on her website or anything. And if you say you don't like her here then losers and bozos are gonna say oh yeah why's that hotshot. Sounds like the dsa for sure.

PERPETUAL IDIOT
Sep 12, 2003
Wasn't their biggest campaign at the national level, post Bernie and with enormous membership growth, trying to get Keith Ellison elected as like the DNC chair or some other Democratic party functionary?

PERPETUAL IDIOT
Sep 12, 2003

Best Friends posted:

what active socialist groups are there that do not stand against the horrors of red china / Cuba / Vietnam / America’s enemy of the week? actual question

FRSO seems pretty good on this but they may not have a chapter where you live.

PERPETUAL IDIOT
Sep 12, 2003

comedyblissoption posted:

is the dsa still brave enough to support congressional democrats after stating opposition to american war in ukraine, gaza, and yemen

Irrelevant to the matter at hand. Case in point, they endorsed John Kerry for president in 2004 but it was not sufficient for him to win. So whether the Harringtonite org endorses congressional democrats is not important.

https://web.archive.org/web/20130108172552/http://www.dsausa.org/dl/DLFall2004.pdf

Bonus, check out the first article in this winner.

PERPETUAL IDIOT
Sep 12, 2003
All this drama has me thinking that maybe it's best if leftists weren't to join this Harringtonite sheepdog org, due to its bad accounting policies.

PERPETUAL IDIOT
Sep 12, 2003

PostNouveau posted:

What the gently caress is the Spartacist League?

Jim Cramer was a spart in college.

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PERPETUAL IDIOT
Sep 12, 2003

mawarannahr posted:

r&r is a faction that broke with socialist alternative to join dsa iirc. but not cause they couldn't hate cuba and china there.

You mean the SAlt trots don't like actual communist governments? Weird.

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