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Internet Explorer posted:Speaking of RocketChat, are they still really behind on invites? Had applied like 2 weeks before the swap to Slack, never got a response. Applied using the new RocketChat link about a week ago, no response. I applied about a week ago, got no response, then applied again yesterday and was accepted instantly. 
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If you want the tag you gotta quote that post
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Feb 26, 2017 16:42
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logikv9 posted:Democratic Socialists of America: 12:00- 12:30 pm Socialist speed dating
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Feb 26, 2017 22:19
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OhFunny posted:1. $15/hr: New Hampshire has the lowest unemployment rate in the country at 2.7%. We're facing a worker shortage. Massachusetts and Maine just raised their minimum wage. Why would someone stay in the state and work here when they can make more somewhere else with benefits on top of that? We need to attract skilled workers into the state and a competitive wage is how to do it. An odd argument for a socialist group to be making, imo. Republicans already by and large support minimum wage increases, no need to cede ideological ground to them in the process of fighting for it.
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OhFunny posted:Let me try that again then. We need a $15/min. wage because the American worker is getting crushed. Why is it my mother gets a 1% pay raise annually and a lot of her coworkers get 0%? And Jamie Dimon gets another $10 million? My great-grandfather was a member of the Amalgamated Clothing Workers of America for 40 years. Paid his union dues and retired with his pension and Social Security for 30 years. My great-grandmother didn't have to work. You can't do that now. It's not enough to bring jobs back or keep jobs if they offer poo poo pay and no benefits. More and more wealth is getting concentrated into fewer and fewer hands. We need to fight for workers, fight for unions, and the first step is $15/min. wage. Get that money into the hands of those who need it to live and not billionaires and millionaires counting their stock options.  Also sorry about your lovely state (I'm from FL, I understand lovely states, though even we have a minimum wage law). SomeMathGuy posted:Do you have a source on that? My loose impression of Republicans is they tend to oppose minimum wage increases because something something job creators something something but I might be woefully misguided. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/minimum-wage-poll_us_570ead92e4b08a2d32b8e671 The majority isn't on board yet with $15, but rank and file Republicans are not against minimum wage laws in concept.
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Mar 12, 2017 03:45
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Yeah the problem with liberal/neoliberal identity politics is that they have no goal beyond making the ruling class demographically representative (in terms of race/gender/etc.) of society as a whole. As long as whatever behavior is being called "identity politics" goes beyond that to actually challenging the idea of a ruling class, the system that creates a ruling class, and so on, I don't see a problem.
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Mar 24, 2017 05:15
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Anyone have some favorite local chapter logos? Curious to see what's out there. The Piedmont one on the last page is pretty sweet.
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Mar 31, 2017 15:14
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jarofpiss posted:i'm not really worried about if he stays or goes as long as we do it correctly. The most correct way to do it is for Danny to put the organization before himself and just loving resign. If he doesn't, then I want the org to remove him as quickly as possible. Is it fair to him that he should have to resign because everyone lost their minds on the internet over wildly false accusations (mixed in with some actual true ones, let's not forget)? No, but I'm not going to blame the NPC or twitter or anyone else for his refusal to understand (a) why people have a problem with police unions, and (b) his failure to realize that his ties to them might be an issue for people (or worse, his realization that they would and his deliberate concealment nonetheless -- a point on which I'm agnostic but don't really care about as either case disqualifies him as competent for leadership of the DSA). quote:chapters should not be releasing statements without giving the guy a chance to publicly speak, defend himself, have an investigation by the npc, etc. He's put his version of events out there. His chapter has released a statement in support. What more do people need before they can be justified in their opinion? What does the NPC even need to investigate now? I haven't seen a single statement from a single delegate at the Convention say that Danny Fetonte was forthcoming about his involvement with a police union, except for Danny Fetonte. In fact, even the statements defending him either skate by this point entirely or assert that he had no obligation to reveal it at all. None of this is in any dispute. I am a union advocate, I understand and believe in due process probably more than most people posting in this thread or in the DSA for that matter (and I sympathize with Danny's position that he shouldn't be defined by his association with an organization that is legally required to defend its members' lovely behavior more than most). But in some situations, the only practical effect due process has is prolonging an inevitably painful outcome. There's no good outcome here, the best we can hope for is a quick resolution, and the quickest resolution is achieved by Danny Fetonte resigning from the NPC. quote:that's my worry about this whole thing. all some feds have to do is a background check on an npc member and throw it out on twitter and watch the whole org catch on fire. like do we really think that the rest of the npc have completely spotless backgrounds? If the feds are doing background checks and throwing the results out on twitter, then yeah I feel comfortable asserting that the rest of the NPC is pretty clear, or else we'd be lighting ourselves on fire over their undisclosed blemishes too.
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Aug 17, 2017 03:17
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jarofpiss posted:i get where you're coming from and i know there's no good outcome here, but i really think undermining the fundamental principles of the org and tossing a member based on assumptions of bad faith sets a pretty bad precedent. also i've made lots of tiresome posts about this but really i think the assumption that he concealed his connection with CLEAT comes from a lack of understanding of how unions in this country are structured more than anything. The best way to keep the fundamental principles of the org intact is for Danny Fetonte to resign.
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Aug 17, 2017 03:45
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jarofpiss posted:probably buuuuutttt if you know danny lol I get that, let's just stop hand-wringing about the NPC being in the wrong here.
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Aug 17, 2017 03:52
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GlyphGryph posted:The most "COINTELPRO" thing about this is the fact that this became an issue because someone with inside knowledge created a fake LinkedIn Profile. If anyone's worried about COINTELPRO poo poo we really need to stop buying into this "outrage" mentality. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if feds were the ones behind the faked LinkedIn, or otherwise were responsible somehow. Doesn't change the fact that the quickest and easiest way to defuse the whole situation is for him to resign. I don't think he's COINTELPRO, but if he were, he'd be doing exactly what he's doing now.
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Aug 17, 2017 03:54
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Mechafunkzilla posted:His work with CWA and how that relates to CLEAT was clarified by him, after the fact. A fake linkedin account isn't substantiation even if it contained true information. The outrage train sure as hell didn't slow down to wait for the facts to come out. So now that the facts have come out, what "process" must still unfold before you'll find people's calls for him to resign satisfactory? Or are you just going to keep acting like the guy gets a free pass because some people on twitter were idiots last week?
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Aug 17, 2017 04:16
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Purging people with actual organizing experience because the real world is complicated might help recruitment in the short term but the organization is just going to bleed those people when it lacks direction and effectiveness due to a lack of institutional knowledge. Oh please. DSA chapters are full of people who understand organizing and understand unions. Over half of the people who ran for NPC had backgrounds in labor either as union activists or attorney/researcher types.
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Aug 17, 2017 04:33
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jarofpiss posted:like if the dsa sf justice committee or whoever wrote that statement actually spoke to Danny and walked away with that narrative from it, that's Danny's fault and he's proven that he's unable to manage this messaging crisis at all. In what way is saying that there are good police unions and bad police unions and that police should have the ability to organize like other workers a failure of messaging? Maybe it's just that the guy believes some lovely things that are at odds with how he presented himself in the run up to and at the convention, and with what a lot of people want out of a leader? Maybe we should just take him at face value rather than twist into knots trying to excuse the things he says and does?
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Aug 17, 2017 04:40
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jarofpiss posted:no his messaging sucks as do many of his politics (imo). viewing cops as state workers is classic old school bad dsa viewpoint but we aren't dem centralist and that's not so at odds with our core values that he can be purged for it. he voted for police abolition. We have these problems because he -- intentionally or unintentionally, but certainly conveniently either way -- failed to disclose his past history working with police unions (which he later revealed to be more extensive than he was even accused of (by adults) at first). If he had given even the faintest whiff anywhere in his NPC candidate statement or anywhere else that his past organizing had involved police unions, and had been elected despite that, I would be disappointed but would accept it and move on. But that's not what happened here. You hide your radical views so you can take control of reactionary organizations, not the other way around.
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Robert's Rules are bad and no one follows them correctly anyway (nor should they), so why adopt them? Here are some fun, little-known facts about Robert's Rules that people don't realize until some rear end in a top hat uses them to derail your meeting or even your whole organization:
There are lots of other problems with RR, these are just some of the ways I've personally seen organizations get stuck in quagmires because they unthinkingly adopted RR in their bylaws 40 years ago back when everyone liked each other. Granted, you can prevent the problems listed above by drafting bylaws provisions that override them, but at that point maybe you should just adopt another set of rules to begin with. There are plenty of alternatives, almost all of them superior: the Modern Rules of Order, Martha's Rules of Order, the Democratic Rules of Order, etc.
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Oct 22, 2017 12:40
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I will fight anyone who defends Robert's Rules Also what RL is saying about administrative work really resonates, I'd say a good half of the unsexy grunt work required to make the organization function falls on the 20% of are steering committee who are women, despite the fact they are also pulling more than their weight on the more glamorous stuff too.
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Oct 24, 2017 20:17
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Based on my experience watching people from marginalized groups have their ideas and contributions shot down either directly or by being pathologically sidelined or ignored, it's not a heavy lift for me to imagine that he has tried to be constructive an approaching these issues with the NPC, and gotten nowhere. If this is the case, it would also explain the passive aggressive subtweeting. When appropriate tactics fail, inappropriate ones are all that remain. All of this could be wrong, but I'm willing to cut the guy some slack, given the general uselessness we've seen from the NPC over the last few months. Edit to your edit: do you think there's a legitimate possibility that if he did call specific people out, it would turn into a Praxis v momentum thing and he would then be criticized for relitigating the NPC election? khazar sansculotte has issued a correction as of 20:56 on Oct 24, 2017 |
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Oct 24, 2017 20:47
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:all that "grunt" work is picked up by non-male/non-white members because all y'all don't notice and step up when there's work that needs doing. Yeah fortunately these women are not hesitant to guilt the rest of the steering committee into helping them, or it would probably be a lot worse. My wife and I just had a baby and my top priority is not replicating the same problem with domestic labor at home, so while I feel like I do step up a decent amount, I'm still struggling to find a balance. 
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Oct 25, 2017 11:59
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National employs staff and payroll is by far the largest expense in most organizations. And the staff are unionized, so really all your dues are just going to fatcat union bosses.
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I saw a spreadsheet DSA management is using to cost out the staff union's bargaining proposals and their calculation of personnel costs for this year explicitly includes the cost of paying everyone's severance package lol
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The NPC is being forced to vote on the new budget line by line, with a live DEFICIT calculator as they go lmao.
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Approaching a 1:1 ratio of "directors" to real employees, a sign of a healthy organization.
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jarofpiss posted:this npc is so incompetent it’s shocking (or intentional sabotage). Do you think it's this NPC? Seems like the driving factor is membership dropped over the last few years and there's not enough dues to pay as many people as there were a few years ago. Or are you just talking about the messy internet drama?
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Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:membership dropped because of how dumb national was acting in more than one domain I understand that, but "this NPC" has only been in office like 8 months or whatever. I wasn't sure if OP was saying "this NPC" is to blame for membership dropping (seems unlikely), for the internet drama (plausible, I guess, I don't know how they are or aren't contributing to it), or maybe meant to say "the NPC," or what.
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Eminent DNS posted:with the way the caucuses work, I don't think it's fair to consider each NPC in a vacuum. They're necessarily continuations of previous ones, with maybe a few wildcard independents Sure, but that just brings us back to the original question: what is notable about "this NPC" with respect to staff layoffs, etc., as opposed to any previous one(s)? Genuinely curious. I haven't kept up with any NPC drama since Danny fetonte. khazar sansculotte has issued a correction as of 07:53 on Mar 28, 2024 |
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Mar 28, 2024 07:51
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bedpan posted:still baffled as to why the DSA needed to pay someone $30,000 per month to be a "national grievance officer" I do a lot of mediation/grievance/arbitration stuff for my day job. Even if that person were handling real grievances non-stop for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, 52 weeks a year, they were being paid almost double what they were worth. With the volume of grievances they probably were handling, it was the grift of the century.
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Mar 28, 2024 19:34
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At 3,744 hours a year, $180k is about $48/hour, which incidentally is about what a kindergarten teacher where I live makes per hour if they have an MA and 7 years of experience. The "National Grievance Officer" was definitely making about $360k an hour though.
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jarofpiss posted:co chairs on an npc that can’t seem to produce a budget with actual numbers on it I can count pretty high so I got asked to participate in DSA budget committee meetings (which is why I started paying attention to DSA drama again). I haven't said yes or no yet. Does the DSA budget committee do useful work, or does some CFO type just go through slides and try to keep people from asking too many questions? Sorry if you don't know any of this.
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The person trying to recruit me to join the budget committee was told that the reason there are so many "directors" in DSA is so they could give those people raises without having to bargain it with the staff union lol. Weka posted:Yeah that's very roughly what they make here tbf, I think I just skipped over the 12 hours part. Is a MA typical for kindergarten teachers where you are? Seems wildly excessive. No idea, I just looked up their salary schedule and that's what was closest to $48/hr. A teacher with 11 years of experience who quit as soon as they got their BA would make around the same.
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fermun posted:the staff isn't being serious about the position dsa is in where it will literally go bankrupt next year and can not even afford to have a convention of any kind next year right now. what is dsa supposed to do I am available for consultation with the NPC majority on how to legally do any of this poo poo. My retainer fee is the bargain basement price of $30k/mo.
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Al! posted:oh yeah how did the dsa reckon with the fact that theyve campaigned for multiple people who are complicit in a genocide by the way? Democratic Socialists of America *puts on They Live glasses* Social Democrats of America
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A lot of business unions have this problem where elected leaders, managers, and even a lot of the staff think that they know how to "organize" because they've run a meeting before and so there's no need to pay people just to do that, that would be silly.
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I'm assuming this is the "Alan R." that got thrown out per the other screenshot 
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