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NYC here too. I'll be outside Schumer's house yelling tonight because apparently that sort of thing is more acceptable when I'm not doing it by myself.quote:Do any of y'all know what other socialist groups think of the DSA? I'm pretty new to the leftist circular firing squad, so I wanted to get a feel for what the other socialist groups in town are going to accused me of. I believe NYC DSA has been coordinating with Socialist Alternative for some of the marches and protests that have been going down, so at the very least they don't think they'll catch reformist cooties. Hulk Krogan has issued a correction as of 19:46 on Jan 31, 2017 |
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logikv9 posted:
Woop woop!  Can I get added to the OP for NYC as well?
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unbutthurtable posted:I'm, personally, afraid it would seem superficial and cheap to ask people of color to join without first showing them that we're worth their time I'm new to this political organizing stuff but from experience in other areas, I think this is a good thing to be wary of. It's kind of an odd comparison to make when talking about a socialist organization, but it's kind of like business networking, in a way. Nobody likes the guys who show up to networking events to sell every person they meet on how they can add value. People who are good at networking do a lot more listening and try to build relationships based on earning trust and being of service, which translates to business or referrals down the line. I think this is a similar thing. Showing up out of the blue to BLM meetings or anti-deportation protests or whatever trying to fill a non-white dude quota won't work. Going to those groups and asking what they need, how we can help, etc and then showing up consistently and showing we really are committed to supporting them for the long haul is probably the only way to make progress on that front. That's what will separate us from the Democrats we love to criticize for engaging in empty pandering to minority groups. If you focus on doing good work in a respectful way then I think the recruitment will come as a byproduct. If you make the recruitment the focus then you just come off looking like a salesman.
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Baby Babbeh posted:That being said, I'm always a little nervous when people frame these concerns using a lens of recruitment, because that acts like getting people of color in the room is the end goal. That way lies tokenism. The real end goal should be building a movement that actually addresses the unmet needs of these diverse communities. If we can show that we're helping make things better for them, however they themselves define 'better,' then they'll want to be a part of it. We have to take a service first mentality. 100% this. I caught a Facebook post the other day from a friend complaining that she constantly has guys in tech asking her to help them find more women to make their companies more diverse. It's a noble goal, but her complaint was that they're effectively using her as a shortcut to help hit a quota instead of actually doing the self-analysis and work that would be necessary to create a truly inclusive workplace. People can tell when that's what you're doing and we need to not fall into that trap. Hulk Krogan has issued a correction as of 22:23 on Feb 28, 2017 |
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A twitter account that shits on the DSA for being too normie fairly regularly.
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Does anyone whose income doesn't, in some way, rely on it?
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It's basically the same thing that happens with music. People whose identities are entirely wrapped up in one thing and in arguing about it online love nothing more than finding excuses to call other people posers. I guess 80's metal kitsch is sort of in now so every other week some pop star is spotted wearing a Slayer shirt and people who take being a metalhead online get super loving mad about it. There are plenty of legit criticisms to be made of DSA but 90% of the bitching about it I see on twitter seem like the socialist version of people who scream about Lady Gaga stealing their thrash metal valor or whatever. Hulk Krogan has issued a correction as of 16:12 on Mar 15, 2017 |
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I think the national org could do more to highlight the actual work its chapters do, which would probably help appeal to people who aren't online irony boys, but this complaint becoming so ubiquitous is kind of weird to me. When I tell normie friends about DSA I talk about the work my local is doing and how that ties into an overall criticism of centrist liberalism. I don't talk to them about, like, Larry Website, or YDSA chapters dunking on the Turning Point USA twitter account. Outside of Larry and some of the YDSA chapters on twitter, it seems like most of the official, public facing outlets for the organization ARE pretty normie? The DSA facebook page mostly shares articles from the website and my chapter's Facebook page primarily posts the various events and actions going on around here.
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I think when people table at events, instead of flyers they should have a laptop open to the dank meme stash.
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Guys, guys (and ladies). Get this....swoletariat.
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Seize the means of lactic acid production.
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Ruzihm posted:plz join Get a load of Swole Jeb! over here.
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RiotGearEpsilon posted:comrade from another mom, rad!
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apokaladle posted:Incidentally, I have at least some very simple steps to take. All these cities have chapters of BLM and other minority-led activist groups, yes? Follow their lead. If there's a protest, show up and support. If there's a request for letter writing, have a DSA letter writing party. If there's a request for speakers at city hall, come out and speak while making sure you're centering the affected community. Isn't this basically what the article is proposing? Edit: I just went back to read it again and I guess he doesn't give explicit examples, like you did. I took this part: quote:It is crucial for all socialist organizations, which today find themselves experiencing rapid growth, to formulate means of incorporating the excluded, in all their forms. The current composition of many of our organizations is a result of our lack of a social base — it’s a problem that we must overcome through organizing. But this will mean going beyond guilt and constructing ways to meet the needs unfulfilled in capitalist society, and the means of asserting popular power. to more or less imply it, so admittedly I might be giving him the benefit of the doubt where others aren't. Hulk Krogan has issued a correction as of 18:03 on Apr 3, 2017 |
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apokaladle posted:Explicit examples are important for me to give, otherwise I'll be accused of stirring up discord and not providing answers. Absolutely. From what I've seen so far, my (pretty heavily white) chapter seems very conscious and intentional about doing this: Impermanent posted:6. some chapters use the "working group" model to break off into subsections focused on fighting x or y agenda items. If you don't have an antiracism working group you need something oriented around antiracism to be at least name-checked every single meeting. If you do have an antiracism working group you need to make sure they're doing something. If you have a working group system but no antiracism working group, form one even if its all white boys. SURJ is a good model for what white people can do in an org dedicated to antiracism composed mostly of white people. And, surprise surprise, they got so effective they now have a rising rate of PoC participation even though originally the group was created to keep white people from stepping on the toes of minority activists. Because if you organize around those issues, PoC will join your group. and on making sure the other working groups are supporting local organizations, like you mentioned. So like I said, I think I was ascribing some things to the piece that weren't as explicitly stated as I remembered. You're definitely not the first person I've heard describe a different experience with their own local. Hopefully as the National gets a handle on the influx of new members and new chapter requests they can focus on making sure chapters are doing some of this stuff. Hulk Krogan has issued a correction as of 18:58 on Apr 3, 2017 |
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an actual dog posted:That is exactly what the DSA is. That was Harrington's initial vision but I don't think that's how the organization has always operated in practice (aside from the very high profile example of the Bernie Sanders campaign). From what I've seen there also seems to be a pretty significant number of people who would like to move away from that.
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A couple of the momentum people were just interviewed on Discourse Collective and they said 50-100K.
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the bitcoin of weed posted:https://twitter.com/BenghaziExpert/status/894548567674761219 Isn't Pantsuit Nation a secret Facebook group?
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Doc Hawkins posted:ninja: NY cops all live in Jersey, right? Jersey, Staten Island or Long Island.
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Iridium posted:oooooooohhh danny fetonnnnnteeeeee
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In fairness it does seem kind of lovely and short-sighted for everybody to put out official statements claiming he intentionally obscured his past before any kind of due process took place.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Kind of lovely? What can I say, I'm a big fan of understatement. But yeah even as someone who agrees with the idea that he should step down because people probably wouldn't have voted for him had they known, making assumptions about people's motives like that based on no official information is bad mmkay.
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What kind of communist are you? A maoist? Marxist-Lenisist? "I'm a Fetontist"
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The gift shops at Stone Mountain being packed with the most over the top bald eagle, stars and stripes, 'murica gently caress yeah merchandise imaginable is the funniest goddamn thing.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lmao on what loving grounds You don't need a particularly ironclad case to sue someone and cost them a ton of money in legal costs. If they can't afford that, having no case and being a dick is just about as good as having an actual case. Hulk Krogan has issued a correction as of 05:20 on Aug 28, 2017 |
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Danny's married?
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on hold with sex line posted:12,000 member dues lapsed this week. Yikes It seems like they don't send out any kind of reminder when annual memberships are due for renewal? At least, I didn't get anything. Seems like kind of a big oversight. I couldn't remember when I joined so I checked and it was apparently July of last year, meaning I've been lapsed for quite a while now. Fixed that (and went monthly this time), but I bet a lot of people are in a similar position.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Probably because having all your decisions exposed for public review is a huge burden. It works on SA because SA moderation more or less disregards criticism from below by design and has "the moderators' whims are law" written right into the rules, but that creates bad blood and resentment even here and would be worse in an organization / community that's expected to be accountable to its membership. The DSA version of Something Sensitive would sure be, uh...something. Hulk Krogan has issued a correction as of 02:27 on Apr 24, 2018 |
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