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I'm DSA in San Francisco, but I haven't really had a chance to get very active yet.
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Apparently, but full communism in the United States will probably arrive before your invite.
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Feb 4, 2017 02:22
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Who do I ask to verify I am not an anime or at least that I am the good socialist kind of anime?
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Feb 10, 2017 01:06
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San Francisco DSA basically looks like a Portlandia sketch.
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Feb 23, 2017 04:32
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:god, last night's bylaws discussion was a shitshow I actually came expecting a MUCH bigger shitshow given the rumblings online beforehand and left pleasantly surprised. We clearly need to get a little better about Parliamentary procedure, but even the most vocal turd stirrers were willing to go along to get along and we actually got something passed, which is a small miracle. Granted, some of this is just going to get kicked down the road a bit as the committee figures out the amendments, so the bylaws are probably going to be a continuing source of drama. But at least we don't have to sit in limbo for three months while it gets hashed out. Maybe it's just because it's a new enough org that people can trust that the hiccups are mistakes and not intentional slights. But I'm actually pretty hopeful for the future.
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Feb 23, 2017 11:40
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:Not assuming everyone is privileged enough to know parliamentary procedure would be a good start. Oh awesome. You were recruiting for a north bay chapter, right? Did you manage to find enough people? I'd join but I don't have a car and I live about as far as you can from the north bay while still being in San Francisco. Re: Robert's rules I'm not sure that they're always the best way to run a meeting but you do kind of need some sort of system or it devolves into a circular discussion. I think it went reasonably well for a first time out, hopefully we get better in the future. I think I saw somebody had posted a primer on them in the SF rocket chat channel.
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Feb 24, 2017 04:37
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It's just kind of a discussion platform -- I don't see a whole lot of organizing going on but it's a way to connect with DSA members all over the country. Notably some of the larger chapters have channels for their working groups on it, but I think a lot of the direct action stuff happens elsewhere.
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Feb 27, 2017 19:41
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There's also the danger that if you have too many people in a room of a certain type, they'll decide to work on issues that are not actually important to the broad swath of people in their community. Compared to the establishment we don't have money, experience, connections or institutional power. What we can have is numbers, but not if we're not speaking to all working people. Socialist movements are mass movements or they're nothing. That being said, I'm always a little nervous when people frame these concerns using a lens of recruitment, because that acts like getting people of color in the room is the end goal. That way lies tokenism. The real end goal should be building a movement that actually addresses the unmet needs of these diverse communities. If we can show that we're helping make things better for them, however they themselves define 'better,' then they'll want to be a part of it. We have to take a service first mentality.
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Feb 28, 2017 21:53
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If the left spent as much thought on revolution as it did on taxonomy we'd have a worker's utopia by now.
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Mar 3, 2017 20:26
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lessthankyle posted:How does one get into the rocketchat? Patience, luck, and submitting to the form multiple times, in my experience.
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Mar 6, 2017 22:05
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The mediocre Deus Ex reboot is actually good
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Mar 17, 2017 03:55
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Good news! We have a Meetup page now too! https://www.meetup.com/Democratic-Socialists-of-America-San-Francisco/ You should be able to access the event schedule without logging in/joining the group if you're concerned about that. There's also going to be a public calendar if/when the website is ever finished.
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May 23, 2017 00:27
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I mean, it makes sense to say "here is a set of bylaws, by default when you form a chapter you have these bylaws but you can immediately vote to edit, amend or replace them provided you have a) An official conflict resolution mechanism b) a code of conduct c)some form of sexual harassment policy. The 6 month mandatory period doesn't really do anything other than tie people's hands and foment ill will. Given the way a lot of chapters treat bylaws, I think it's not terribly likely the many will extensively edit the default set anyway provided they aren't completely awful.
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Jun 2, 2017 21:38
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This is what I'm doing. The lectures are really good and help make sense of the material, especially for the the first few chapters which are both overly dense and without a lot of the context you need to really get them.
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Jun 8, 2017 22:18
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I think it's counterproductive to be a part of SI. I think we need to be focused first and foremost on organizing for socialism in this country, and they don't do much to support us in that effort. At the same time, to the extent that we do want to be a part of international socialism, many of the most active groups are to the left of SI and it's constituent parties and view us with suspicion because we're a part of it. (The Spanish municipalist movement comes to mind)
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Jul 14, 2017 05:48
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I was helping with the NorCal Summit and went to the social. I was the sweaty bearded dude in slacks and a checkered shirt with the sleeves rolled up. It was a really great time! I left feeling very inspired about socialism and hopeful about the future of the DSA and of us working together as chapters more... even if it kind of solidified some vague misgivings I had about the Momentum Slate and the Spring Platform into more concrete concerns.
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Jul 17, 2017 08:34
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I think a lot of the problems with the initiative process and the NPC elections have come because national has done a poor job of communicating with the chapters. I know they're trying their best, but the whole process has been really disorganized and it feels like they haven't left us time for anything. For example, did you know that you can propose amendments to the proposals that have been submitted so far that will be voted on at the convention? Did you know that this is supposed to be happening now? Do you know how to do this? Me neither.
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Jul 19, 2017 02:29
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He's been pretty consistent showing up for the past few weeks. I mean, obviously he has alterior motives but I don't think he'd put that much into it if he wasn't at least somewhat sincere. Maybe I'm naive.
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Jul 20, 2017 09:34
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It doesn't matter if it's enforced or not. If you go to join and you're presented with "okay what we want to do is take 1% of your income. If you can't do that now that's cool but, you know, someday" you're going to have a lot of second thoughts about joining that organization. An avowed Communist or a long time union member might go "ah yes, of course" because they're more familiar with this model, but other people aren't going to have a clear enough idea of what they're getting into to want to make that commitment. This is particularly true of working class people who have to think long and hard about every money decision. If there were a shitload of hard core Leftists in the US, it might be a good strategy. But that's not what we have -- we have a lot of liberals pushed out of the Democratic party and a lot of basically apolitical poor people getting sick of being pushed around. Even if in practice it's not enforced or enforceable, it limits the size of your addressable pool of prospective members. It will have the affect of slowing growth.
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Jul 21, 2017 21:20
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Yeah, that's the part that bothers me about it too. Paid organizers, ostensibly, should be providing the most help to smaller, less established and more rural chapters that don't have enough volunteers to spread the work around and who often have less experienced activists who would benefit from training. But the momentum slate doesn't really seem to have consulted much with those folk before they made their proposals.
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Jul 24, 2017 20:26
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Frankly I agree with everything Praxis is saying but think the slogan should be "Murder All Cops" instead.
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Jul 26, 2017 08:52
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They're not only running, they've already experienced a schism and formed a magazine.
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Jul 28, 2017 19:30
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I'm pretty sure it's just shuffling the pages around on the website, not actually changing the dues structure significantly.
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Aug 5, 2017 00:47
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It's already an option. In fact, that's what I did and consequently I've been free-riding because I had to close that card and haven't bothered to re-do it yet. Get an angry letter from Maria Svart every month... Should really fix that, hmm...
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Aug 5, 2017 01:21
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fermun posted:The full delegate list along with their self-written bios were given 6 days before the convention started along with like 60 pages of proposals and amendments and the delegates were also overwhelmed with the platforms of the two larger slates. It was a lot of material to sort through in such a short time much less vetting outside of provided materials. This is the real problem, honestly. Electing a guy that turned out to work for a police union is just the way it's presenting itself. The whole election and delegate process was misshandled and as a result I'm honestly surprised that the convention went as smoothly as it did. Next time we need to move up all the submission deadlines significantly so that there's time to make all of this stuff public at least a month out, and there needs to be much more transparency about process from national so that we don't run into the kind of information asymmetries that led people to think the Momentum folks were exploiting procedure.
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Aug 8, 2017 00:52
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I mean, it's likely you have less crime in a socialist society and the crime you do have would take very different forms. Imagine how different policing would be if we just decriminalized non-violent drug offenses, for example. I am a little leery of the people who figure we'll just handle law enforcement by forming posses or something, but you'd need something very different than the police as currently constituted in a truly socialistic society.
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Aug 8, 2017 01:01
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OhFunny posted:Can someone link me what was decided on at the convention? BDS, Afro Socialist Caucus, no revenue split for chapters, prioritizing monthly dues, national grievance process, no hard split from Democrats, police abolishment as an official plank, national focus on single payer and labor solidarity Think that's the major ones.
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Aug 10, 2017 09:20
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When I think about the DSA getting involved with labor, I am generally thinking about it at a much more local level and more in the capacity of solidarity with the rank and file than interactions with professional organizers and leadership. I don't think a policy of not collaborating directly with police unions is going to hurt us in that regard to the degree you're suggesting, because we just won't have anything to do with those locals. But maybe the cop unions are more tightly integrated where you are.
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Aug 11, 2017 06:25
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Actually there was quite a bit of skepticism of the Momentum slate in San Francisco, even though East Bay is one of their strongholds. DSA SF is explicitly municipalist and North Bay is basically an anarchist chapter so there's a healthy skepticism of national centralization here. I also recall the march on Washington being pretty universally mocked even before DC pointed out how useless it was as a tactic.
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Aug 12, 2017 00:24
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Y'all are going to be really upset when the mediation process reveals that Dan Fetonte did 9/11 and he's just Osama Bin Laden in old white guy face paint like a Chappelle show sketch.
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Aug 16, 2017 23:55
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You guys, I figured it out. Fanny Detonte.
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Aug 17, 2017 21:02
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There's some talk in the LSC about trying to eliminate the NPC as it currently stands and replacing it with some sort of system whereby different regions elect representatives, rather than having a cattle call and then everyone being elected at-large at the convention. That strikes me as a good direction to go, honestly -- it avoids the regional over-representation problem we're running up against as well as making the vetting easier, since people would be elected in their region by people who know them best.
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Aug 18, 2017 21:22
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YDSA should have all the votes. Dictatorship of the Teen. Also anyone that was in DSA before like, February needs to be purged pronto.
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Aug 30, 2017 09:08
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Vhak lord of hate posted:At the sf meeting where the justice committee proposed the "Danny resign bitch" letter one of the loudest people against it was an anarchist who hates Danny but we didn't get the bylaw required 15 days to review it so no. Some anarchists love rules more than air itself Look, when we anarchists say no gods, no masters, we mean besides our god and master, Robert, and his holy rules.
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Aug 31, 2017 23:57
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13Pandora13 posted:I DM'd on Twitter and got nothing, is there someone/somewhere else I should contact? Want to put this up on the RVA DSA group. I got you. If you or anyone else wants DSA SF zines and the Twitter account isn't answering, dm me your email and I'll send a care package with all our designs.
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Sep 3, 2017 09:11
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The fact that the cops don't even have enough shared perspective with the people they're ostensibly serving to understand why this would be taken poorly shows that we've entered the death spiral phase of the dissolution of this institution.
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Sep 7, 2017 01:49
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Just lol if you think the political establishment will allow a DSA backed candidate into office without a fight to the death.
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Sep 8, 2017 01:50
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Even the losses help, because they get people to think, wait a minute, why are the Dems fighting so hard against things we all supposedly support? We arguably wouldn't have people moving as far left as quickly as we are if Bernie had won the primary, because losing exposed the Democratic party as a complete fraud. (although obviously Bernie Would Of Won so we'd at least not have Trump.)
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Sep 8, 2017 07:30
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Can I pay money to fling Joan Walsh into the sea?
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Sep 20, 2017 02:41
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DSA SF are soft maoist.
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Sep 20, 2017 22:04
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