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Kubrick
Jul 20, 2004

Jesus, the slow talking in this episode.

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drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting
Fallen Rib
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I've only played it for two hours and already see a Walrus ingame and someone calling themselves Captain Flint.
https://i.imgur.com/OsBsyA3.mp4

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

"..."
Welp, trust Israel Hands to be the voice in this latest ep for all the "Too much talking" people ITT lol.

Also...thought they'd never get back around to it, but sure enough https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WNaHuAHKFU. Whoever called the role reversal between Rogers and Flint in what comes next seems to have been on the money. And whatever the outcome, I'm p certain of one thing now - Rogers and Eleanor will lose it all by the end. Because with friends like these...

CrazyLoon fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Feb 26, 2017

unlawfulsoup
May 12, 2001

Welcome home boys!
This really is the weakest season so far. Countless choices that just don't really make any sense in the Black Sails world. I am sure the Spanish are going to go out on a limb to clean up the British mess, doubly so when they are at war. What the gently caress is to say that this isn't a ploy to attack Cuba by luring all of your dumb asses to crush some stupid revolt. I mean Nassau has been ruled by pirates for god knows how long, and society didn't collapse, what the gently caress difference does it make now to the Spanish. Not to mention the Governor of Cuba basically having a personal reason to hate Rogers.

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010





Gold man gold

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

Unable to deal with it


Grimey Drawer
This is a solid show with lots to like but I have just one thing to say



IN THAT MOMENT

HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE
Mar 31, 2010


Tighclops posted:

This is a solid show with lots to like but I have just one thing to say



IN THAT MOMENT

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe

muscles like this! posted:

Of the main characters these are real people:
Israel Hands

Israel Hands is a real life character as well as a character in Treasure Island, with completely different backstories. The show is taking from the real life version mainly (except for the whole getting kneecapped by Teach)

HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE
Mar 31, 2010


Someone get me a gif of the camera pullback on that fleet, stat

meristem
Oct 2, 2010
I HAVE THE ETIQUETTE OF STIFF AND THE PERSONALITY OF A GIANT CUNT.

CrazyLoon posted:

Whoever called the role reversal between Rogers and Flint in what comes next seems to have been on the money.
That would have been, unfortunately, me. I say "unfortunately", because I did so coming at the issue from an adversarial, "how can the writers twist history again to suit their Mary Sues" standpoint, and wanting to be dissapointed. (I still like the show, when it doesn’t try to be political.) Even I didn't suspect that they would make Woodes Rodgers effectively a traitor to achieve that, though.

unlawfulsoup posted:

This really is the weakest season so far. Countless choices that just don't really make any sense in the Black Sails world.
The show, as it presents itself via speeches from Flint and now Rodgers, seems to be wedded to this libertarian concept where government/"civilization", as they call it - whether Spanish or English, which is apparently the same - is inherently oppressive and evil. Currently, apparently, mixed with a healthy dose of Marxist dialectic, as presented from the side of the bourgeoisie (omg, what if all the poor united and decided to eat the rich? The international rich must unite and strike first!).

...Of course, once the speechifying ends, they are clever enough to show that in reality, the interests of 'the poor' differ (Julius) and that any government, even that arisen via a Glorious Pirate Revolution, does find itself needing a monopoly on power. So that's a very good argument for 'more action, less talking'. The last bit of which advise I now apply to me.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!

CrazyLoon posted:

Welp, trust Israel Hands to be the voice in this latest ep for all the "Too much talking" people ITT lol.

Also...thought they'd never get back around to it, but sure enough https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WNaHuAHKFU. Whoever called the role reversal between Rogers and Flint in what comes next seems to have been on the money. And whatever the outcome, I'm p certain of one thing now - Rogers and Eleanor will lose it all by the end. Because with friends like these...

The Spanish anthem doesn't actually have any lyrics so I think you meant to link this one https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tgC2kBCRu5o

savinhill
Mar 28, 2010

CrazyLoon posted:

Welp, trust Israel Hands to be the voice in this latest ep for all the "Too much talking" people ITT lol.



He's the best part of this season

Chemtrailologist
Jul 8, 2007
Welp, that's one main character dead. Four more episodes to go.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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Ego-bot posted:

Welp, that's one main character dead. Four more episodes to go.

PleasebeMaxpleasebeMaxpleasebeMax:pray:

qbert
Oct 23, 2003

It's both thrilling and terrifying.

Ego-bot posted:

Welp, that's one main character dead. Four more episodes to go.

I have to give it to the show, pretty cool to kill off 2 pretty major characters in Ep 6, 15 minutes before an episode ends.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!

Solice Kirsk posted:

PleasebeMaxpleasebeMaxpleasebeMax:pray:

On again I pressed the 30s skip twice on that scene she was talking to that one person Anne cause she's honestly just the god drat worse. I'm assuming/hoping I didn't miss anything of importance.

Flatscan
Mar 27, 2001

Outlaw Journalist

Boris Galerkin posted:

On again I pressed the 30s skip twice on that scene she was talking to that one person Anne cause she's honestly just the god drat worse. I'm assuming/hoping I didn't miss anything of importance.

She just got told to gently caress off.

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"
Woodes Rogers, you done hosed up now!

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

.
So what's Max's end game here? Go tattle to a powerful English land owner that an English governor is really a bad guy and that he should team up with the proprietor of a whore house and a rag tag group of pirates that just want their town back? I know she's going to slip away because this show refuses to let her die, but Anne and Jack are pretty much dead meat.

PaybackJack
May 21, 2003

You'll hit your head and say: 'Boy, how stupid could I have been. A moron could've figured this out. I must be a real dimwit. A pathetic nimnal. A wretched idiotic excuse for a human being for not having figured these simple puzzles out in the first place...As usual, you've been a real pantload!
That was a very unsatisfying death for Elanor, and Madi for that matter, but in Elanor's case we wanted to see her get some justice for Vane.

Also the show once again writes Max as being far too important. Her plan is dumb because they already explained that Elanor was on the outs with her family and only was going to request their help because her marriage to Rogers would have given them social status.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

I dunno, I think it was poignant that her vane attempt to outmaneuver literally everyone ended up with her dead by the hands of some Spanish soldier nobody who just refused to die.

MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Mar 6, 2017

PaybackJack
May 21, 2003

You'll hit your head and say: 'Boy, how stupid could I have been. A moron could've figured this out. I must be a real dimwit. A pathetic nimnal. A wretched idiotic excuse for a human being for not having figured these simple puzzles out in the first place...As usual, you've been a real pantload!
I was fine with that aspect. I mean she literally could have suffered more before dying. The way it was filmed was her "heroically" struggling against her oppressor and finally succeeding in defeating him before dying of her wounds, instead of being brutally, slowly, murdered in a way that imparted some schadenfreude for the audience.

Just deserts -> Justice hurts, as it were.

I'm not into torture porn, it's more the general direction of the scene. Even if her and Madi had switched places it would have been a million times better because as a viewer I want Madi to live and don't want Elanor to, so I'm more into seeing Madi fight for her life and succeed but succumb to her injuries than I was Elanor.

Edit: I was trying to avoid using prowrestling lingo, but gently caress it: they booked heel as a face and as Jim Cornette would say, it went over like a fart in church(to me).

Pron on VHS
Nov 14, 2005

Blood Clots
Sweat Dries
Bones Heal
Suck it Up and Keep Wrestling
I feel like this season started off slow, briefly got super exciting with the keelhauling and the angry ginger Brit dying, but now its back to confusing intense dialogue amongst sweaty facial hair

Invalid Validation
Jan 13, 2008




Welcome to Black Sails. It's probably for the best this is the last season.

life is killing me
Oct 28, 2007

At least the writers know when the show should end, and not only that, but they also appear to have an idea of just how it should end rather than playing it by ear.

Far too many shows on the air these days *cough* regular primetime networks *cough* just refuse to die like that nobody Spanish soldier, and their plots are generally stupid as gently caress; it's like they are hiring teenagers to write the episodes because it's all about children in adult bodies having romantic encounters and vague hints of an actual plot around those romantic encounters. Quantico, for instance, is about the FBI academy, but what you actually get out of that is that is drivel about a bunch of adults acting like high schoolers instead of future FBI agents, centered around romantic plot lines and sex. It's pretty much a cross between a fanfic and a YA novel in television form, as are most shows on prime networks.

While Black Sails has writing, cinematography and acting that far surpasses what you'd find in most shows, it's time for it to go. I'll be sad to see it go because it's one of my favorite shows, but when great shows end on premium networks, it paves the way for more great shows.

Endless Trash
Aug 12, 2007


I on the other hand have been totally engrossed this whole season, basically since season 2 episode 1 I've loved every minute of this show.

I'm sorry to see it go, but all good things must come to an end.

savinhill
Mar 28, 2010

Invalid Validation posted:

Welcome to Black Sails. It's probably for the best this is the last season.

This season would've been so much better if Black Beard lived for a few more episodes and didn't have such a seemingly pointless arc and if Isreal Hands got to mercilessly gank more dudes in place of some of the sweaty facial hair dialogue, as one astute earlier poster put it

Fast Luck
Feb 2, 1988

They turned Billy Bones over to the slaves but they had to leave him alive... that's the most absurd deal all series I think. Shame about Madi, I know we didn't see her actually die for sure but if that's a fake out that's too many fake outs since they already did that a few times this season. Somehow that nobody Spaniard not only took down Eleanor and Madi but the four guys with guns still protecting the house haha.

Drunk Driver Dad
Feb 18, 2005
Hello friends, I'm thinking of picking this show back up. I remember enjoying it, not sure why I quit watching. I got up to the finale of S1. It's been quite a long while though, would someone mind either linking me something to read for a summar, or summarize S1 for me? Assume I remember basically nothing.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Drunk Driver Dad posted:

Hello friends, I'm thinking of picking this show back up. I remember enjoying it, not sure why I quit watching. I got up to the finale of S1. It's been quite a long while though, would someone mind either linking me something to read for a summar, or summarize S1 for me? Assume I remember basically nothing.

In season 1 they spend the entire season chasing a Spanish treasure galleon. Silver steal the information about its whereabouts and burns the original documents, making him the only one who knows where it is and invaluable to Flint (The captain). As Flint, Gates(the quartermaster) and Billy(At this point just some random crewman) try to work out how to deal with Silver Flint gets his captaincy challenged. However, Flint outwits and kills this challenger by having Silver lie to the crew about a piece of information. Billy and Gates knows about this and Billy is very conflicted. Billy eventually confronts Flint about this a couple of episodes later in the middle of a storm and Flint pushes him/lets him fall into the ocean.

Time goes and they keep getting closer to the galleon until they think they've finally found it, but instead they find a massive Spanish warship at its supposed location. Gates tries to get Flint to back down from the obviously suicidal attack but Flint chokes him out in the captain's quarter with the support of Silver. Flint walks out, tells everyone and the attack is on. This then culminates in the season 1 finale where the two pirate vessels under Flint's command get utterly annihilated by the warship. They then wash up on a beach which as it turns out is right next to the beach where surprise the actual treasure galleon had shipwrecked (explaining its absence), this the season cliffhanger.


There's also a lot of subplots going on but that's the general gist of it.

MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 11:50 on Mar 12, 2017

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.



MiddleOne posted:

In season 1 they spend the entire season chasing a Spanish treasure galleon. Silver steal the information about its whereabouts and burns the original documents, making him the only one who knows where it is and invaluable to Flint (The captain). As Flint, Gates(the quartermaster) and Billy(At this point just some random crewman) try to work out how to deal with Silver Flint gets his captaincy challenged. However, Flint outwits and kills this challenger by having Silver lie to the crew about a piece of information. Billy and Gates knows about this and Billy is very conflicted. Billy eventually confronts Flint about this a couple of episodes later in the middle of a storm and Flint pushes him/lets him fall into the ocean.

Time goes and they keep getting closer to the galleon until they think they've finally found it, but instead they find a massive Spanish warship at its supposed location. Gates tries to get Flint to back down from the obviously suicidal attack but Flint chokes him out in the captain's quarter with the support of Silver. Flint walks out, tells everyone and the attack is on. This then culminates in the season 1 finale where the two pirate vessels under Flint's command get utterly annihilated by the warship. They then wash up on a beach which as it turns out is right next to the beach where surprise the actual treasure galleon had shipwrecked (explaining its absence), this the season cliffhanger.


There's also a lot of subplots going on but that's the general gist of it.

I still think that they woulda had a chance against that warship if Four-Eyes Wusspirate hadn't chosen that moment to try to mutiny again.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!
You forgot to mention The Coat in that summary. Unless The Coat was introduced in season 2.

Invalid Validation
Jan 13, 2008




Pretty sure that was season two.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

"..."

Boris Galerkin posted:

The Spanish anthem doesn't actually have any lyrics so I think you meant to link this one https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tgC2kBCRu5o

Yea, I know, but the one with lyrics is just hilariously upbeat, despite its sordid fascist-tinted history, so screw it. Felt it was more appropriate in this instance.

And welp, I suppose Max just becomes full on Quisling without NPD in this last episode, while Eleanor was the Quisling with NPD. I'm glad they're at least lampshade hanging it, but jesus cripes were this anything like the real world she would've been dead meat 2 times in this season had the pirates not needed their 'twenty good men (tm)' and had Jack "I can't feel my balls" Rackham not been the textbook definition of passive-aggressive pirate. And it's annoying as poo poo to have side characters vouch for her good character, when no - she totes crossed the pirates and chose a goddamn side after they were the ones who made her rich, yet gets to skate off with it scot free since by now it's abundantly clear that the pirates and Rogers lose to her in the end. Plus that cat parable was also complete bullshit, when it wasn't the cat (pirates) that killed Eleanor in the end, but the rage-filled father (civilization).

At least I'm still curious as to how poo poo goes down between Flint and Silver but yea...looks like it's shaping up to be another really great work that looks as if it's describing something very drat well, but in the end falls completely flat on its face with its thesis.

CrazyLoon fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Mar 12, 2017

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Boris Galerkin posted:

You forgot to mention The Coat in that summary. Unless The Coat was introduced in season 2.

The coat was on the Man-o-War.

meristem
Oct 2, 2010
I HAVE THE ETIQUETTE OF STIFF AND THE PERSONALITY OF A GIANT CUNT.
What a great episode. Grandma Guthrie was magnificent, and I loved that conversation with Max. Good to see Eleanor's life work not going to nothing. On the other side, glad to see Flint and Silver finally cutting down on the boring politics and pirate revolution and pirate kingdom talk, and moving towards what's important - in this case, Madi. I like how the show keeps us uncertain whether she'll be Silver's Treasure Island wife, or if Billy will, after all, kill her. A part of me hopes for the former (happy ending!), a part for the latter (much better drama!).

I think that, between Julius expressing doubts about the pirates, Max being opposed to slavery, and Rodgers already offering to make Nassau a safe haven, the ex-slaves will be the winners in this race. There is enough goodwill (or at least apathy) towards them, as opposed to the pirates, even among the British. And, of course, this would mean that it wouldn't all be "for nothing", as Silver now despairs.

BabyFur Denny
Mar 18, 2003
how many episodes do we have left?

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010





BabyFur Denny posted:

how many episodes do we have left?

3

Decairn
Dec 1, 2007

meristem posted:

What a great episode. Grandma Guthrie was magnificent, and I loved that conversation with Max. Good to see Eleanor's life work not going to nothing. On the other side, glad to see Flint and Silver finally cutting down on the boring politics and pirate revolution and pirate kingdom talk, and moving towards what's important - in this case, Madi. I like how the show keeps us uncertain whether she'll be Silver's Treasure Island wife, or if Billy will, after all, kill her. A part of me hopes for the former (happy ending!), a part for the latter (much better drama!).

I think that, between Julius expressing doubts about the pirates, Max being opposed to slavery, and Rodgers already offering to make Nassau a safe haven, the ex-slaves will be the winners in this race. There is enough goodwill (or at least apathy) towards them, as opposed to the pirates, even among the British. And, of course, this would mean that it wouldn't all be "for nothing", as Silver now despairs.

It would of been even better if it was Toby Stephens' mum Maggie Smith playing the part to round out the family involvement in the series.

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Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

And here I thought Rackham was going to have to knock boots with Madame Guthrie to seal the deal.

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