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Schenck v. U.S. posted:WME-IMG took on a lot of debt buying the UFC that they now have to service, so I wouldn't be surprised if we see them shed fighters they regard--rightly or wrongly--as a bad value for the money. e.g. Story has been around a long time and can put on a decent show 3/4 of the time, but he's shaken out as a journeyman/gatekeeper in a densely populated division. The difference of $10k-$15k on show money on already underpaid gatekeeper journeymen is not going to make up four billion dollars. At that kind of capital investment, their main plan would have to be to keep the UFC exciting and keep people watching so that they can resell it - via IPO or whole cloth - for capital gain. These three fighters are actually the perfect guys for that kind of business plan, because two of them are proven finishers and possible future title challengers, and the third is an decently well-known action gatekeeper, which is necessary for building prospects into title challengers. Story got paid $41k for losing to Cerrone UFC 202, and they absolutely got their money's worth out of that paycheque. In other words, there must be more going on here than an attempt to save a few thousand dollars. We've seen fighters go on and off the roster before while contracts have been in negotiation.
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Yeah, I would have thought if they were going down that road we'd see them chop a lot of the foreign fighters kept around to pad out overseas cards, since they're supposed to be cutting back on overseas cards anyway. Don't know about resale, but the short term goal is getting a better deal for the TV rights.
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Nibbles! posted:Yeah, I would have thought if they were going down that road we'd see them chop a lot of the foreign fighters kept around to pad out overseas cards, since they're supposed to be cutting back on overseas cards anyway. Yeah I didn't mean in the short term, but rather by keeping its value up that's how they'll make money off of it in the long term. And for TV contracts, how is Rick Story not loving perfect to keep around? He's a legitimate test for any fighter, so it's easy to make good fights for him, and he's a muscley white guy who has a good nickname for promos. I'd be less surprised to hear that he has retired. The guy has 19 UFC fights.
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# ? Feb 2, 2017 15:55 |
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they want a huge tv deal like the mainstream sports have, it's funny you think the UFC can be "resold" via IPO
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# ? Feb 2, 2017 16:02 |
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Skip My Posts posted:they want a huge tv deal like the mainstream sports have, it's funny you think the UFC can be "resold" via IPO Yeah you're right - I really meant that they'll continue to unload it piecemeal to investors, but IPO is the wrong term for that.
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Captain Log posted:It's an old joke from the hit television cartoon The Critic. A flaming parade float slams into a theater showing "Cats." Take it from me, the world's least funny poster, that a joke generally has to in some way apply to and then make a twist on reality in order to be funny. "Ha ha I made a reference" isn't enough. Shalom.
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# ? Feb 2, 2017 16:40 |
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God drat, UFC 209 is looking pretty slick
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# ? Feb 2, 2017 17:22 |
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UFC posted Korean Zombie vs Leonard Garcia 2, for the three of you who haven't seen it yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9in4mcVWvI
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CommonShore posted:Yeah you're right - I really meant that they'll continue to unload it piecemeal to investors, but IPO is the wrong term for that. yeah that's a guess someone could make i suppose
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Ditch posted:UFC posted Korean Zombie vs Leonard Garcia 2, for the three of you who haven't seen it yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9in4mcVWvI seein sexy carlos in the corner of garcia makes me sad
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CommonShore posted:He's an Australian judo dad with a surprisingly good UFC record whose fights tend to be bloody and fun, except for one of his fights, which was one of the worst modern UFC fights I've ever seen. I'm not going to tell you which one it was. Ah, dan kelly vs smug ugly fat guy. Thrilling!! Dan Didio posted:Misha Cirkunov, Rick Story and Lorenz Larkin are apparently no longer on the UFC roster. Larkin i'll always remember u. Story was cool and his fight against nelson was so hilarious because of how favored nelson was by the commentators even though he spent most the fight getting blasted over and over dan hardy: "I'm not much of a nelson expression reader but my gut instinct after watching gunnar lose 4 rounds in a row is that he looks confused."
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# ? Feb 2, 2017 17:49 |
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Bisping doesn't get enough credit for getting rid of Cung Le
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Dr. Abysmal posted:Bisping doesn't get enough credit for getting rid of Cung Le yeah great comeback, bisping is so tough
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re: CommonShore As a rule I try not to worry whether something is "good for the sport" or improves the UFC's brand. The sane level of investment in a combat sports promotion company is wanting to see cool fights and fighters you enjoy watching. I like fighters like Story and I'm bothered by the idea that maybe the UFC is trying to move towards a boxing-style model of big money fights between built-up stars and very little else--especially because boxing's bullshit is underwritten by a huge amateur scene that AFAIK has no equivalent in MMA. So I agree with what you're saying. I wasn't implying that dropping fighters like Story or Larkin is smart business. I think the pressure of interest payments and seeking better TV and sponsorship deals leads to shortsighted decisions for near-term payoffs and cost reduction, and they'll pay for it down the line. A lot of people pointed to how they hyped Ronda and ignored Nunes, which probably boosted that card, but will leave them holding the bag now that Ronda got killed and retired forever.
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# ? Feb 2, 2017 17:54 |
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cung le getting beat up never gets old
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# ? Feb 2, 2017 18:08 |
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1st AD posted:cung le getting beat up never gets old one weird trick
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1st AD posted:cung le getting beat up never gets old he almost looks like some kind of realistic animated practice dummy in that gif with the way he's stumbling around providing the minimum possible resistance
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:he almost looks like some kind of realistic animated practice dummy in that gif with the way he's stumbling around providing the minimum possible resistance if only he let the punches pass underneath him, neutralizing their momentum
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While Cung Le getting violently owned is rad (love that 1st Scott Smith fight), he beat up Wanderlei and made Joe Rogan cry out in anguish, which is extremely cool. I guess what I'm trying to say is that Cung Le contains multitudes.
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# ? Feb 2, 2017 18:44 |
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deffo 100% natural
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# ? Feb 2, 2017 18:51 |
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Lol
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# ? Feb 2, 2017 18:52 |
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The Korean Zombie being back and fighting Bermudez should fill me with joy but everything that's happened to the UFC and the world in the interim makes me doubt that love and magic are still real.
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# ? Feb 2, 2017 19:19 |
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having examined many photoshops in my day i can tell you that
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# ? Feb 2, 2017 20:09 |
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the ufc at least seems same old same old to me. but the cards have been better than ever, its been a fairly long time since ive watched a boring card
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:Take it from me, the world's least funny poster, that a joke generally has to in some way apply to and then make a twist on reality in order to be funny. "Ha ha I made a reference" isn't enough. Shalom. Thanks for the tip about posting in a forum where everyone is well acquainted with my style (I'm an idiot), I will be sure to reread posts in the future to make sure we talk about stairs.
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I.N.R.I posted:the ufc at least seems same old same old to me. but the cards have been better than ever, its been a fairly long time since ive watched a boring card I agree. They haven't seemed to operate much differently yet.
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I.N.R.I posted:the ufc at least seems same old same old to me. but the cards have been better than ever, its been a fairly long time since ive watched a boring card There's definitely still been fights that I fast forwarded through/did something else during, but there hasn't been a card lately that seemed top-to-bottom skippable.
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# ? Feb 2, 2017 21:08 |
This one on Saturday looks like crap
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# ? Feb 2, 2017 21:12 |
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Maybe WME doesn't exactly know what all they're doing running a company that despite being treated like an entertainment property is still a sport. I dunno
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Intel&Sebastian posted:The Korean Zombie being back and fighting Bermudez should fill me with joy but everything that's happened to the UFC and the world in the interim makes me doubt that love and magic are still real. I agree, but I want to thank you for posting that photoshop of Nick Diaz laying down in the painting scene from Titanic a few pages back. It brightened my day and restored my belief in both love and magic.
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# ? Feb 2, 2017 21:23 |
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Dana said Jones is likely getting a title shot when he comes back. I can't wait for Jones to ruin another pay per view main event when he plows into a crowd of nuns while high on boner pills.
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:This one on Saturday looks like crap Which naturally means it's gonna own
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Ditch posted:UFC posted Korean Zombie vs Leonard Garcia 2, for the three of you who haven't seen it yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9in4mcVWvI I'd only seen the end of this fight. Nice, nice.
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Trast posted:Dana said Jones is likely getting a title shot when he comes back. I can't wait for Jones to ruin another pay per view main event when he plows into a crowd of nuns while high on boner pills. I'm hoping he screws up in a more low-key way this time. Like maybe he steals a tricycle from a child and then crashes it into a slightly overfilled newspaper kiosk, running away without bothering to pick up all those papers first. If he keeps escalating we're going to get into a weird kink spiral where he has to do unspeakable things just for us to hate off anymore.
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# ? Feb 2, 2017 21:53 |
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maffew buildings posted:Maybe WME doesn't exactly know what all they're doing running a company that despite being treated like an entertainment property is still a sport. I dunno more likely y ou and all the other armchair corporate finance experts don't know whats going on at all in terms of their plans and operations
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Skip My Posts posted:more likely y ou and all the other armchair corporate finance experts don't know whats going on at all in terms of their plans and operations This should end the discussion
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# ? Feb 2, 2017 22:10 |
They're venture capitalists and are going to flip the ufc and sell it to viacom
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Trast posted:Dana said Jones is likely getting a title shot when he comes back. I can't wait for Jones to ruin another pay per view main event when he plows into a crowd of nuns while high on boner pills. Jon Jones has made a fuckton of money from this sport but he's still the modern-era UFC Champion I consider most likely to be living in a van outside a gym by the time he's 40.
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