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Holden had some major character development, putting down some more‐or‐less innocent people like dogs. That kid was him once. Mental Hospitality posted:I didn't even notice the engines of the Nauvoo causing the scaffolding to glow bright red and break apart when I watched this last night. What a nice little detail. Did you notice that one of the tugs spends too much time near the drive plumes and explodes? (third vid) It makes a sound (in vacuum?  ), so there’s that cue.
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Doctor Butts posted:Edit: So uh, that's awkward. They just gonna give the Nauvoo back then? It’s legitimate salvage. 
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Did the Marasmus guy expect the Rocinante to slag him for evading quarantine, so he told Holden his plan hoping a Martian with a heart of gold would let him get away? Seems risky.
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gohmak posted:But we don't call our Mormons Earth Mormons. Speak for yourself.
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flosofl posted:I didn't either. I think I can hear what Cender is talking about, but it sounds more like “no touching” to me, and it may be pareidolia.
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Tree Dude posted:Is it fair to call the protomolecule a weapon that was fired at Earth when [I'll spoiler this just in case because I'm pulling from some book knowledge] I think I remember it was fired at earth something like 2 billion years ago. complex life was still a ways out on Earth at that point. Seems to me that it was more of a terraforming agent. Even if the beings that fired it at Earth were doing so because they didn't want the life that was there to evolve further is it really that much different than, say, killing the bacteria in your toilet so it doesn't get all gnarly This is how you start an abortion debate.
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Phanatic posted:The possibility that the crew is infected is the *only* danger there, not the fact that they might broadcast "Yo, dudes, strange things are afoot on Eros so stop by for a visit." They’re explicitly blaming Mars, though. Sure, there are already conspiracy theories that say Eros was attacked by a Martian bioweapon, but if the last and possibly only ship to visit Eros since the disaster makes that claim, that’s kind of a big deal.
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You can see from the orbital display that Eros underwent a massive, sudden course change. I don’t think it’s spoilers to say that it violates our understanding of physics. It’s spoilers to say it’s now on a collision course with Earth, but I guarantee that will come up in the first moments of the next episode. Platystemon fucked around with this message at 08:29 on Feb 20, 2017 |
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 One hundred million tonnes of steel moving at twenty thousand kilometres per second. That’s so much kinetic energy. It’s forty time the energy of the meteor that killed the dinosaurs. It would take one hundred thousand tonnes of antimatter to match it, or the petroleum reserves of several thousand Earths. But it would still change Eros’ velocity by less than 1 km⁄s. Eros is heavy. And it’s orbiting the Sun at 24.36 km⁄s, which is the number you need to match to drop it into the Sun. The Nauvoo is shown accelerating at at least 65 g, by the way, if we go by the time to impact display. Going by the rate the speed figure rises on‐screen, it’s over 4000 g. Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:I'm mad about the Robin antenna leaving Tycho with the Nauvoo because how do they fit their deceleration burn in? Also, didwe just give up on showing the juice?, The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > The TV IV > The Expanse, Season 2: Journey of the good ship Robin antenna Platystemon fucked around with this message at 11:43 on Feb 20, 2017 |
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Cojawfee posted:Not really. There are several things they could do to alter the orbit of Eros. They could hit it in a way that would be equivalent to a radial burn to move the orbit so it hits the sun. That’s not any easier, though.
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withak posted:From now on everyone wanting to argue about orbital mechanics has to post a screenshot showing their KSP experience. Platystemon posted:
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Smiling Jack posted:Short version: you need to gently dock with the giant rear end space rock and then burn your engines in a retrograde orbit until it falls into the sun It’s also more efficient, but it’s not as cool and you can’t have a “DON’T TOUCH ME!” moment. If it’s true that the Nauvoo’s engines can accelerate one hundred million tonnes of steel at 1.79 km⁄s², they could accelerate present‐day Eros at a blistering 0.0268 m⁄s². That sounds bad, but it would only take a week or two to null its orbital velocity. If the lesser figure is correct and the Nauvoo can only accelerate at 65 g, then it would take over a year.
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Toast Museum posted:My last physics class was a long time ago, but my approach was to take the masses of Eros and the sun to find the gravitational force between them (once for aphelion and again for perihelion), then assume the sun wouldn't move appreciably and use that force and Eros's mass to find its acceleration toward the sun, and then use that acceleration and an initial velocity of zero to find travel time from aphelion and perihelion. That approach only works in a uniform gravitational field. Near Earth’s surface, that’s a fine approximation, but it falls apart when you try to drop things into the Sun. The Sun’s gravity, like that of all other masses, gets stronger as you approach it. You need calculus to account for that. Platystemon fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Feb 21, 2017 |
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It’s more energy efficient to smash a large mass into Eros at “slow” speed rather than a large mass at high speed. If you smashed an Eros‐sized body into Eros and stopped them both dead in their tracks, your counter‐Eros would have a kinetic energy of only two million exajoules (we’ve run out of SI prefixes), which is only, like, all the solar energy that strikes Earth in four months. If you want megatons of TNT equivalent: five hundred million megatons. e: If you really wanted to play billiards with Eros, you’d start at the bottom of this list of retrograde asteroids. You’d try to find one that you could put on a collision course with Eros without too much work. It’s a short list, and even if you have a viable candidate, no retrograde asteroid is as large as Eros, so you’d need to add a lot of speed. Still, it’s better than using the Nauvoo directly. It’s free mass that’s already going pretty fast in mostly the right direction. Platystemon fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Feb 21, 2017 |
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Tycho made their name spinning up Ceres, and it took a generation. That takes fuckall effort, compared to putting Eros on a collision course with the Sun.
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Collateral posted:They mentioned that spinning up Eros was a milestone for humanity in the belt and only topped by spinning Ceres up. It was a stupid idea that would never have worked. You’re right. I now recall that as the gang scrambles through Eros’ maintenance tunnels, they talk about how small they are. They were built to the height of an Earther because all the labourers grew up on Earth. Eros was the first generation.
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Phanatic posted:Do they ever mention specifically Ceres's spin rate? I figured it at about .05 rpm. I get 2×10²⁷ J. Maybe you mixed up a prefix or two somewhere since that’s different than your result by a factor of precisely one million. At 0.025 RPM (which gives a third g at the docks, rotational energy drops by three quarters to only 4.9×10²⁶ Still more energy than Eros, but not absurdly so. They had a lot longer to spin it up, and it was already partially hollowed‐out.
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I know the Expanse universe started as the setting of an RPG, but have the writers ever confirmed how far players got in the campaign?
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Yo momma so fat astronomers use her as a gravitational lens.
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Phi230 posted:So when does the new episode come out 22:00 EST
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Big Mean Jerk posted:This is a very different discussion from the orbital mechanics thesis papers in past pages. No, but I think it’s supposed to, more or less, in tonight’s episode.
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The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > The TV IV > The Expanse, Season 2: I'm going to take my pet nuke for a walk. Eros’ real‐world mass rounds to the same figure Naomi gives.
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Baronjutter posted:Is miller actually gone now?? I thought he had more. If you were Holden, and you saw Eros slam into Venus, what would you think? Physics is a plaything to the protomolecule. Miller absolutely could survive it.  book spoilers Yes but he comes back through the power of alien magic, as a ghost. Platystemon fucked around with this message at 08:16 on Feb 23, 2017 |
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I posted the answer so now we don’t have to have multiple posts openly admitting it’s complicated. In the future, yeah, take it to the book thread. If you have a dying need to know the answer to something particular but don’t want to risk seeing spoilers for everything in the book thread, I’ll answer PMs.
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https://giant.gfycat.com/FelineExcellentHorseshoebat.mp4 https://fat.gfycat.com/FaintGreatBluetickcoonhound.mp4 https://zippy.gfycat.com/FatRadiantGilamonster.mp4 https://giant.gfycat.com/SmoggyBestColt.mp4 https://giant.gfycat.com/JubilantSoulfulDamselfly.mp4 https://giant.gfycat.com/SizzlingBronzeCrocodileskink.mp4 https://fat.gfycat.com/CircularArcticHuman.mp4 While watching, I felt like there weren’t as many jiffable scenes as previous episodes, but there turned out to be plenty. Platystemon fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Feb 23, 2017 |
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Also noticed this cool bit on Wikipedia (very light book spoilers regarding a non-plot cameo): "In addition, Andy Weir's novel The Martian takes place in the same continuity as The Expanse.[8] This link is made semi-canon with the mention of a ship named the Mark Watney, based "out of Mars," in Babylon's Ashes." The authors confirmed this on Twitter.
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Number Ten Cocks posted:If your retaliatory nukes are on the planet you force Mars to wipe out your population and provide an incentive for you to do the same if they want to disarm you. Space or Luna based nukes leave you vulnerable to being disarmed and blackmailed, making it genocide or nothing is better MAD. The entire system is dangerously dependent on Earth, and in particular the biosphere. It’s not just genocide. It’s almost suicide. Even if Earth’s nukes never leave their silos, Mars is in for some hard centuries if they wreck Earth.
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:Apparently the book goes into greater detail on what happens inside Eros during the initial infection. What are these details? Would it spoil a show watcher? It’s more descriptions of horrors than actual plot you’re missing.
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Earth is capitalist as hell. It’s just that wealth comes directly from capital goods (read: robots) and goes directly to people like Jules‐Pierre Mao, with few human labourers required. Mars seems more socialist, but then there’s that one Martian marine whose family owns all the terraformers, so who knows? 
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Baronjutter posted:I looked up that Blindsight book and it all sounded good but for seemingly no reason at all apparently vampires are real and someone on the mission is a vampire and at the end there's some sort of vampire war. What the hell. Some dude just had to jam vampires into his scify? closes tab Platystemon fucked around with this message at 12:52 on Feb 24, 2017 |
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CLAM DOWN posted:e: also are they going from silo to space in like 2 seconds holy poo poo Eyeballing the perspective in Google Earth, the camera is at least 3000 km up. The missiles are going more than 1000 km⁄s. 
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Space Crabs posted:Goons, the least qualified people on the planet, argue the minutiae of fertilization ITT. If you have enough sex, you’ll learn the minutiae naturally? 
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He could probably hear it through conduction via his feet. Seems like a sensible feature to have on your Special Atomic Demolition Munitions.
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gfarrell80 posted:
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We're through the rabbit hole...
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Carteret posted:Here's it for 25 shipped on US Amazon, but kinda pricey. Opportunists were selling it for $50 early this month, so that’s a deal.
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Did the Martians even have scenes in either of the last two episodes? I know they didn’t in E05.
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Evernoob posted:testosterone (can women have that?) Yes.
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At no point during the MMC screentime have I thought “this would be a good scene, if not for the acting.  ”I’ll judge Adams when she has some good material to work with.
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Wxhode posted:One interesting aspect of the Bobbie show character is that she's the scion of a super rich Martian family, whereas the book version is a middle class kid with two civilian older brothers and a proud Marine dad. She is?
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