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Just saw Butler and Maskell resigned. For the record they both voted in favour of Corbyn during the PLP confidence vote and where both seen as loose allies...
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Feb 1, 2017 19:49
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Can't really say I blame people resigning if they aren't going to vote for A50. The whip for the final vote is a foolish idea.
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Feb 1, 2017 19:52
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Yeah, i'm fine with people resigning over this - it's a contentious issue and personally I probably wouldn't have whipped either. Corbyn's responded apparently; quote:I would like to thank Dawn and Rachael for their work in the shadow cabinet. They are great assets to the Labour party and to our movement. Also an article popped up for Politics Home; ANALYSIS: How Team Corbyn could respond if Clive Lewis quits the Shadow Cabinet Just watching the voting now.
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OwlFancier posted:Can't really say I blame people resigning if they aren't going to vote for A50. The whip for the final vote is a foolish idea. Well, it's resign or get punted. You can't be in the shadow cabinet and disobey a 3 line whip. Even when it's a loving stupid 3 line whip. If this is the end for Corbyn, before he's even been able to do anything useful as far as reforming the party democracy goes? And generally moving the discourse to the left? Hard not to say he's probably the worst Labour leader ever. Or at least 2nd behind Ramsay MacDonald.
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Something, at least https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/826866773802762241
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It would be a bit of an anticlimax if this did all boil down to some rather expensive and dramatic paperwork.
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forkboy84 posted:Hard not to say he's probably the worst Labour leader ever. Or at least 2nd behind Ramsay MacDonald.
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mehall posted:Their sizes are also all over the place. I recently bought two pairs of trousers from Debenhams, exactly the same waist and length but different colours and one pair fits absolutely fine, the other is about an inch too small in the waist
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Guavanaut posted:MacDonald had a cool mustache and more party leaders should have those. Didn't deserve that moustache, that bastard turncoat scab motherfucker.
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forkboy84 posted:Well, it's resign or get punted. You can't be in the shadow cabinet and disobey a 3 line whip. Even when it's a loving stupid 3 line whip. But apparently you can come back fairly rapidly, which is probably what's going to happen. More ridiculous tradition bollocks. At the end of the day I have sympathy for Corbyn on this. Not whipping would have been a PR disaster and would have genuinely demonstrated weak leadership. Labour needs a position on Brexit, and 'it's going to happen but we want the best one' is about as good as a position can get. Corbyn is still the only left-wing hope for Labour, it would be loving stupid for people to abandon him over something that is, at best, a symbolic vote.
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T-shirts and jumpers are apparently produced with a standard sleeve length, and small/medium/large/extra large/xxxxxxxxxxx large (or whatever we're up to now) just means that they change the length of the torso slightly while keeping the arms the same standard length. What i'm saying is that every t-shirt or jumper or shirt smaller than a Large is made for people with extra-long gorilla arms and it's frustrating as gently caress
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Pochoclo posted:I hope you guys bought dollars. The value of the pound is like a daily summary of who's winning the stupidity race between Britain and 'Murca
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forkboy84 posted:Didn't deserve that moustache, that bastard turncoat scab motherfucker. I bet Tom Watson could pull off a Stalin one. e: Zephro posted:The value of the pound is like a daily summary of who's winning the stupidity race between Britain and 'Murca
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jabby posted:But apparently you can come back fairly rapidly, which is probably what's going to happen. More ridiculous tradition bollocks. I'll still vote for him if it comes to another election, unless there's another candidate with the rest of his platform that I would trust half as far as i can throw them them. But, well, I dunno about the whole whipping thing. What matters is that Labour endures, and to that end, if/when pursuing brexit fucks everything up, it's going to be useful to have someone who didn't vote for it. Labour as a party right this second needs to pick a side but Labour as a collection of MPs benefits from having people who can turn up later and say "I thought it was dumb and didn't vote for it" just as Corbyn did with the Iraq war.
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Feb 1, 2017 20:21
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OwlFancier posted:I'll still vote for him if it comes to another election, unless there's another candidate with the rest of his platform that I would trust half as far as i can throw them them. But, well, I dunno about the whole whipping thing. Spin is going to be everything in this later scenario. Coming out and saying you were always against Brexit and it was always going to be terrible doesn't put the blame on the Tories, it puts the blame on the British public for voting for it. How do you think that will go down? Claiming it was inevitably going to gently caress up indirectly lets the Tories off the hook because hey, they were just following instructions. Claiming Brexit could have been a success and the Tories hosed it up is a much more effective method of opposition in my opinion, even if it's not strictly true.
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Zephro posted:T-shirts and jumpers are apparently produced with a standard sleeve length, and small/medium/large/extra large/xxxxxxxxxxx large (or whatever we're up to now) just means that they change the length of the torso slightly while keeping the arms the same standard length. Dickies workwear do a "tall" sizing across a lot of their stuff which is great for lanky people like me, long arms long legs and proper long torsos on everything, and it lasts quite well even on jobsites, let alone casual wear.
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DesperateDan posted:Dickies workwear do a "tall" sizing across a lot of their stuff which is great for lanky people like me, long arms long legs and proper long torsos on everything, and it lasts quite well even on jobsites, let alone casual wear. The only upside is giving no fucks about seats on planes
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Feb 1, 2017 20:30
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Welp, passed without any amendments. This is gonna hurt. Lol just lol if Labour thinks they will "add the amendments later".
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Feb 1, 2017 20:39
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Zephro posted:idk, according to the Trump thread they've just basically declared war on Iran This is terrifying if there's any truth to it. It's not that America can't overpower Iran, it's that Iran's military is so much better than what they faced in Iraq and Afghanistan that they will end up using much more ordnance and blowing up large portions of cities. They won't be able to just surgically strike targets. They're gonna have to cruise missile the poo poo out of them. The civilian casualties would be huge.
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jabby posted:Spin is going to be everything in this later scenario. Coming out and saying you were always against Brexit and it was always going to be terrible doesn't put the blame on the Tories, it puts the blame on the British public for voting for it. How do you think that will go down? Claiming it was inevitably going to gently caress up indirectly lets the Tories off the hook because hey, they were just following instructions. I guess I just don't see the point in trying to lock the entire labour party into only one possible route further down the line. Maybe public opinion will have soured to include the liars and cheats who persuaded the public to vote for it as well as the people who said they could make a good go of it, and we will want people who had no part in that as well. Labour has a lot of people in it and a lot of different ideas and I think any labour MP who has a conviction that the right thing to do is to vote against brexit, and who thinks they can keep their constituency, should do that. We might have need of them later on.
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Feb 1, 2017 20:41
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Regarde Aduck posted:This is terrifying if there's any truth to it.
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Feb 1, 2017 20:41
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Well. gently caress you Labour. Now do I vote Plaid Cymru in a Wales that is increasingly right wing and more likely to vote UKIP than respect it's right to exist as a devolved state?
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I don't think PC historically supported the nazis and they seemed actually a bit socialist. So they're quite good as far as nationalist parties go.
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jabby posted:As a general rule the size is inversely proportional to how annoying a patient you are. Strong post/username combo
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DesperateDan posted:Dickies workwear do a "tall" sizing across a lot of their stuff which is great for lanky people like me, long arms long legs and proper long torsos on everything, and it lasts quite well even on jobsites, let alone casual wear.
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Pochoclo posted:Welp, passed without any amendments. This is gonna hurt. The amendments come in at the Report stage, which hasn't been reached yet, and the Lords can attempt amendments too.
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Feb 1, 2017 20:53
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So in Corbyn's mind the best Brexit they can get will be achieved by giving the Tory government a blank cheque. The UK is so hosed.
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TheHoodedClaw posted:The amendments come in at the Report stage, which hasn't been reached yet, and the Lords can attempt amendments too. Forgive me if I am skeptical here, maybe I just don't know enough about the UK parliamentary system, but this was wayyyyyy too much of a "roll over and show my belly" act to believe that Labour will actually get hardline about amendments later if they didn't do poo poo until now.
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The Lords do tend to act somewhat independently of the commons so they might do their own thing. Like, all of them might do their own thing, the lords tend to be kind of unpredictable.
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I think that Spain having a right wing dictatorship within living memory for a lot of the population might put them off right wing nationalism. just a hunch mind.
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OwlFancier posted:The Lords do tend to act somewhat independently of the commons so they might do their own thing. Is it Lords reform time yet again
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GaussianCopula posted:So in Corbyn's mind the best Brexit they can get will be achieved by giving the Tory government a blank cheque. We've not forgotten that you're a Nazi, and no-one asked for your opinion. If we wanted to know what a regressive idiot thought about this we'd ask Wolfgang.
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JFairfax posted:speaking of a right wing dictatorship That's from 2016.
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Pochoclo posted:Forgive me if I am skeptical here, maybe I just don't know enough about the UK parliamentary system, but this was wayyyyyy too much of a "roll over and show my belly" act to believe that Labour will actually get hardline about amendments later if they didn't do poo poo until now.
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