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Looke posted:Boaty McBoatface will topple this government Oh it'll topple something alright. Pissflaps posted:Labour's current path is electoral suicide I can't imagine opposing brexit - the platform on which every Labour MP was elected - would actually make matters worse. 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O0OJ_VZJok Technically from January.
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Feb 1, 2017 04:51
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I saw Diane Abbott in Subways talking about Corbyn's foot-long.
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Feb 2, 2017 15:38
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Pissflaps posted:While I wouldn't propose layers of bureaucracy to deal with the relatively small problem of health tourism I don't think it should be ignored as doing so would naturally lead to it becoming an increasing problem, and will erode people's confidence in the NHS model. I know what you mean. I mean the lack of attention and focus on the issue since the NHS's inception have led to a state of it being massively overused by health tourists as opposed to UK nationals in tyool 2017 and... oh wait.
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Feb 3, 2017 12:25
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Pissflaps posted:Corbyn sailed Labour into the iceberg. He's hosed up and it's going to take a long, long time to put things right. Right is exactly where it doesn't need to go back to, thanks.
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Feb 4, 2017 08:35
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Pissflaps posted:Yes, yes, red Tories etc etc. Glad you agree, good riddance to the centrists. Couldn't even win an election against an inept bunch of Tories. But then again, Diet Tory never would have.
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Feb 4, 2017 09:01
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The big issue is that once article 50 is triggered and the democratic decision of the referendum is put into action, we get the best deal possible at the negotiations over the next two years. Article 50 is just the beginning and probably most minor step of the process.
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Feb 4, 2017 09:25
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Pissflaps posted:I'm not moving the goalposts you just ignored where they were in the first place. Thank god the Lib Dems are right there for centrists. 1787 Shay's Rebellion, an uprising of debt-ridden Massachusetts farmers against the new U.S. government, fails. Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Feb 4, 2017 |
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Feb 4, 2017 22:07
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Prince John posted:The Beeb have an interesting breakdown of EU referendum voting trends. Why do I get a feeling that this study did not heavily include income or class?
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Fact that we're leaving the EU? In my opinion given the social and economic ramifications, bad. That Labour voted for A50 in support of the referendum decision to leave the EU? Good. It puts them in a good position with a public from what I can see. They supported democracy in a democratic society. Don't like that? Tough poo poo. vv: So would I, but a direct referendum is as close as we'll get to it and alas, remain lost. And given we're a "democratic society" there's no such thing as a non-binding vote like that. Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Feb 9, 2017 |
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Feb 9, 2017 00:14
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Pissflaps posted:Hmm there's something that all these people who think labour were right to support the Tories on Brexit have in common if only I could put my finger on it. We're not you? Pissflaps posted:Oh yeah they're all massive loving Corbyn apologists cheering the oval office on as he drives Labour into irrelevancy. Carry on lads you're doing a great loving job Also you though neo-liberal shithouse Labour that lost two elections and the leadership of the party were relevant. That's adorable.
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Feb 9, 2017 00:19
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TheHoodedClaw posted:Of course it's not all on Corbyn. He has completely and utterly failed to mitigate loving anything that the Tories - with a very small majority - have done though. I suppose he's still playing 11-dimensional chess or something though. No, he's just unfortunately part of a majority rule, first-past-the-post system, and had no chance of amending anything without Tory rebels. They tried gamely, but in the end, there were no loving rebels. So we trigger article 50 and get to the important part. Seeing what the negotiations produce, trying to get better deals out of the ruling party and holding them to account for the next election when it (most likely) all goes tits up.
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Pissflaps posted:drat right you're not me. I want a Labour government. You want a hashtag. Adorable. 
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Feb 9, 2017 00:27
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forkboy84 posted:Please stop engaging with the smug oval office. Some days you have a migraine, and can kill two birds with one stone by riling up an idiot and making people suffer with me at the same time. It's efficient.
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Mark Blythe on Brexit (and Trump and global capitalism) again. Watch the whole series of interviews for a good laugh. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGK3XkuGeLw
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Bloops Crusts posted:The liberal party is standing up to Trump like a solid phalanx, shoulder to shoulder and elbows locked. Wait, are you sure you're following your own politics, because that ain't happenin'.
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Bloops Crusts posted:Since the travel ban it is. They were all jelly-kneed before that, but that was the moment when everything crystallized. Every cabinet nominee's being fought tooth and nail, every arrow in the Democrats' quiver nocked and loosed to draw out the appointments, from boycotts to all-night debates on the floor of the Senate. They're preparing a filibuster of Trump's Supreme Court nominee even now. There's also alot of Democratic party internal fighting. People are primarying or planning to primary the poo poo out of establishment types they can't abide. Plus you know, Democratic party politicians are actually helping to vote through alot of Trump's worst picks, like Mike Pompeo for CIA chief. Look into the background a bit more, the Democrats are in a shambles and they're not making the changes needed to get back any power. Hell Chuck Schumer leader of their "resistance" voted for like, almost all of them. Establishment Dems were massively displaced in California and in NY alot of terrible poo poo is coming out and Dems are facing hefty internal challenges there. Alot of the American public have snapped to attention, thankfully, but for the most part they're actually not what you would call the Democratic type Liberal. Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Feb 10, 2017 |
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It's because the gas hasn't been turned up to high yet, so the frog is still sitting in the pot, unaware of how loving dangerous things might be getting. But then again, the assassination of a politician didn't light a fire under anything, so gently caress knows what it's going to take. Privatization of the NHS by US insurance companies, perhaps.
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hakimashou posted:Anyway if you can't figure out that the Democrats are the goods guys in American politics, and you're not a right winger, you've lost touch with reality. Lesser of two evils is still loving evil. Just not quite as evil.
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Guavanaut posted:I agree with your implication that the media eats poo poo. The Pope also agrees.
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TheRat posted:I dont really get it. Everyone knew Trump was going to be batshit insane. How does Trump turning out to be, surprise surprise, batshit insane change anything? Are we supposed to think that Clinton is a saint now? To alot of establishment types/neo-liberals and Clinton backers, they find it both a vindication of their support for the lesser evil and that since Trump is bad, that means Clinton is infact good. Better does not = good, fucknuts. In this case it just means a bit less bad.
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Feb 12, 2017 08:53
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I'm one of those kooky World Citizen types. Mostly because the white British treated my Asian rear end like poo poo and I have no feeling of attachment to the place now beyond a few close friends, the NHS being good and the place where I grew up having some nice countryside.
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Feb 16, 2017 13:38
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Dabir posted:Pissflaps stop sending people sneaky PMs, it makes you look like the creepy old man you are. poo poo like that is why I'm glad I never re-upped to Platinum.
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Feb 17, 2017 10:12
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It was the usual, flaccid centrist spiel of "Well we'll do bad thing, but just less bad, while also trying to desperately claw onto the staus quo and ignore the public discourse." Much like Blair himself it should be ignored as irrelevant.
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Feb 17, 2017 11:18
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Pissflaps posted:Compared to the principled, resolute approach of "Enacting the results of the referendum and vying during the two year process to push for a better set of deals". I see.
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Feb 17, 2017 11:26
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Pissflaps posted:You must have been busy during the article 50 bill's passage through the commons. "Two year process"
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Feb 17, 2017 11:40
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He did oppose it. He just lost, like the rest of the Remain side. Mostly due to the hubris of a few. He performed admirably during the campaign drawing in over 60% of the Labour voters to Remain. But they still lost. So now it's time to respect democracy and enact the decision.
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Feb 17, 2017 11:51
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All over the world, the people who voted for centrist, neo-liberal bullshit and were negatively effected by it (mostly the working classes and poorer communities), are now seeing how it has impacted them and it is badly. They watch the class divide grow, their jobs disappear and the economy that is apparently great leave them far behind while people in richer areas call them skivers and denounce them as racist colloquials and they feel like strangers in their own land. So they vote to give the middle finger to those people. That centrist politics is dead to them and you aren't getting their votes because they've lived with the results and they are poo poo. Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 12:58 on Feb 17, 2017 |
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More importantly, how would that have not stopped Labour from being destroyed as a political entity by it's opponents. You've voted against your traditional base, voted against democracy and the hostile press is just waiting to eviscerate you for it. If the interviews with Green party members who had no answer as to why they voted against the British public show, there's probably very little answer to that one.
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Tesseraction posted:I'm going for the iron cross. I'm going for the classic black eagle personally.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Wow I only just noticed the saurus got perma'd after taking the mask off. What a post. Amazing example of someone letting their shadow take over. Got a link?
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I think he's just stating the fact that this has been the disingenuous discourse for over a year now and people are still not acknowledging it's a thing. In the last set of by-elections, when it was heavily polled that Labour were going to lose, there was nothing but talk about how this was an indicator of Corbyn's failing leadership and would be his death-knell. When they infact won quite handily, it became about how ground game was good and the win was despite leadership. No reference that the leadership brought in alot of members that were energized into performing said ground game.
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Feb 19, 2017 01:54
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EmptyVessel posted:Strange that you call your posts 'motions' but pretty appropriate. I prefer to think of his posts as 'movements'.
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Feb 22, 2017 20:44
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If you keep track of Labour at all, and watch Jeremy's speeches, he's pretty drat socialist. Maybe not a Morning Star column socialist, but very, very left of actual center (as opposed to Neo-Liberal Blair center). Hell, the Labour party platform has right of first refusal to buy a company from the owners as a co-op enterprise if they try to move.
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Feb 23, 2017 02:43
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JFairfax posted:the bourgeois are those who make their money via the exploitation of other people's labour. It's almost like he's some sort of Blairite/Lib Dem centrist fuckwit.
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Feb 23, 2017 08:54
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Man. Not a single unlocked door. No barefoot children chasing a hoop down the road with a stick. Nothing. I bet you can't even hear "Roll Out the Barrel" being sung at the local. Dismal.
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Labour's bad reputation now is because the long term failings of neo-liberal, triangulating centrism didn't really come home to roost for over a decade, and most of the poo poo we're facing now is because of it. The job flight, the poverty gap increases, almost all of it. People have lived through both the gains and losses of that kind of centrism, and the generations that have will never vote for it again on a local (possibly like this by-election) or national (like the utter failure of Ed Milliband's Labour or the US Democratic Party ) again. At least not unless they are outright lied to and propagandised to by the media. Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Feb 24, 2017 |
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Feb 24, 2017 02:33
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Wonder what the turnout of the electorate was.
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This tweet is correct. Aside from nuclear power, I still support that. Edit: Thinking of the wrong By-Election there. Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 08:22 on Feb 24, 2017 |
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