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Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Pissflaps posted:

I've posted this multiple times. A competent labour leader, on an anti brexit platform, putting pressure on this pro-brexit government, ultimately replacing it and reversing the damage done.

So you don't actually have any ideas. Cool.

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Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

I'm going to whack out my time machine and stop Corbyn from ever getting elected, just for you. I can't believe the key to stopping brexit happened before brexit was a thing. This is a realistic idea that definitely could have happened

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

I can't believe brexit was all corbyns fault all along

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

If only Owen Smith were the leader

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Pantsuit posted:

The problem people have in this thread is seeing Brexit voters as reasonable human beings and not violent animals that want anyone not white and english dead.

Tess.....

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Pissflaps posted:

It's been voted for by labour. Twice. It's no longer a 'Tory Brexit'.

Forgot that Labour aren't blamed for Iraq

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Pissflaps never posted the recipe!

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010


Any fallout yet?

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

jabby posted:

Asking people, especially women politicians, to change their appearance in order to better appeal to the electorate might be trivial to you, but that doesn't make it right to do so. Your argument seems to rest on the idea that while it isn't 'right, reasonable or fair' to judge someone on characteristics they can't change (including ethnicity and gender) political parties should still choose potential leaders/candidates based on those things because the electorate is going to judge them anyway. That's just not right, and it leads back to my basic point which is gently caress focus groups if they are telling you things that you can't (or shouldn't) do anything about.

Try and think of it this way. Would you be comfortable with Labour commissioning a survey asking random pedestrians whether they preferred a leader to be black or white, and then using that information to help decide between potential candidates? Because that's basically what you're getting when people in focus groups make comments about appearance, and I don't see the moral difference between that information being sought out or randomly volunteered.

Also it's pretty lovely to say you don't think anyone would find Angela Merkel or Theresa May attractive. They have husbands for a start. What you really mean is you don't find them attractive, which I really didn't need to know. But for some reason it's really common for people to pretend they are the ultimate arbiter of objective attractiveness when talking about female public figures.
People make a lot of decisions based on looks, it's not right but it's what people do.

Part of corbyns lack of appeal to the electorate is very much the fact that he is perceived as a scruffy old man, to the point where hameron laid down sweet pmq owns about it.

E: research has shown that people are idiots and more easily associate positive virtues with attractive people

Namtab fucked around with this message at 09:57 on Feb 13, 2017

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Panama Red posted:

Yeah, she's the UKIP candidate in Copeland, and she's a real charmer too:




Please do report back. I'd also love to hear from other posters who go to CLP meetings what the climate seems to be, especially in the run-up to the byelections.

I seem to be seeing people thinking the Nazis were left wing nowadays

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Spangly A posted:

nowadays? "the nazis were socialist" is an old rallying cry of the right. Many of the problems of how we view the public aren't new; not even our racial violence increase is particularily beyond trend yet. Every nazi on the planet now has a global megaphone via twitter, and they realise they have numbers.

maybe it's louder

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Can't wait for them to prop up the Tories again

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

I know this is the ukmt, but I think there's a middleground between "loves their flag/country" and "actually hitler"

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Pochoclo posted:

This is what the poster I was responding to was advocating, adjusted for your use case:

"I will put the needs of those who were born in a territory where the NHS operates, before the needs of those born outside of it"

You tell me, friend.

P.S: in case you didn't notice, I'm not saying that saying "man I love the UK" is racist because surprise, I also have said that on occasion and it has a completely different meaning to what the poster I was responding to meant when he said "loving your country".

Did people really spend the night calling me racist for saying that its not automatically bad to love your country?

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

I can't believe they aren't feet

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

I'm the guy who pulls the lever marked "multi track drifting"

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Let's be honest the majority of people itt will never have to make that critical of a moral choice. Hell I won't either.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Hot take: brexit could never have been stopped. the second the Tories won a majority government with the manifesto commitment to hold a referendum brexit was inevitable.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Hot take 2: any chance of remaining after leave won was a hopeful dream because the Tories have a majority and seem very committed to pushing through the hardest brexit.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Regarde Aduck posted:

I don't give a gently caress how racist Tony "mothafuka" Blair is if he can stop Brexit.

He probably can't but if he does then good for him. The piece of poo poo.

I care

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Blair is probably responsible for some part of brexit as he's the guy who helped destabilise the middle east

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Pissflaps posted:

...you mean another candidate who cannot command the support of many labour MPs, right?

Yeah what Labour needs is ed miliband again and all the electoral success therein

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Pissflaps posted:

The days of Ed Miliband now seem like a golden age compared to Labour in 2017.

Not a vote winner that man, unelectable in fact

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Ah, brexit magazine

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

The greatest deceit of government was making people think that class is based on occupation and not the source of your income.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Zephro posted:

I heard somewhere the other day that something like two thirds of prevent referrals are for far-right stuff.

Haha you wish. In our recent training they told us its mostly Islamic stuff.

I did get in a good line about the differing media treatment of Lee rigbys killer and Jo cox's tho

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

This byelection is mostly interesting to me because I want to see what happens to Big UKIP and Labour in a strong leave zone.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Will skip take a bite out of the main parties, will flaps give any credit to my lad corbs

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Corbyn spent a lot of time being undermined by his shadow cabinet after the guy they proposed as a joke actually won because he wasn't a blairite/brownite rehash of things that lost 2010 and 2015. So either way people are going to say that Corbyn could have won.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Pissflaps posted:

The people that say this are deluded and/or liars.

Nah they're actually correct

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

ronya posted:

yes, but - this is what the median voter wants to know - are you really going to do that*, or are you going to tax us more and then give it away to layabouts whilst pleading for the human rights of homegrown terrorists

Is this a thing you think happens?

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Not So Fast posted:

Corbynism cannot fail, it can only be failed, comrades.

He's right

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Tess ilu mate but it seems voting leave did a number on your e-cred

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

West ham are the good and true football team

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

I'm starting to think that flaps isn't committed to the cause of international socialism

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Can we declare independence from pissflaps posts.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Doctors aside, there's also dangerous nurse staffing levels, cuts to public health, community, mental health and learning disability services. The nhs is criminally underfunded

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

In Lincolnshire maternity services will be done by a single unit in lincoln, dangerous for people on the outskirts of one of the largest counties in the country.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Spangly A posted:

"The UN called it a human rights violation but that's totally fair because ireland bad"

get loving bombed.


croc suit posted:

A 'fair' response would have been random indiscriminate mass murders of fenian "civilians"

:yikes:

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Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

ronya posted:

the highly qualified Eastern Europeans, Arabs, Asians, and Africans would be quite happy to come to Britain to practice or to obtain medical training (or both), even if the British government did not spend quite so much cash on subsidies on medical training or resources diverted from actual health provision towards each generation of new trainees

this is Hunt's trump card, which is why it is the access to UK hospitals for postings that is being held hostage here

I would argue that the subsidies to medical training are good, because we need more staff.

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