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Lol so what amendments did jeremy corbyn get added or whatever?
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Mea culpa I should not have believed the person who told me the brexit thing passed. A trump supporter for real.
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Feb 2, 2017 03:44
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Namtab posted:I'm more interested in finding out why people support the liberals in 2017. Maybe people think the opposition should oppose the tories and their brexit instead of just opposing shaving and wearing ties.
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Feb 3, 2017 02:02
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JFairfax posted:let's ban anime I would vote for any party, no matter what else they stood for, as long as they had a workable plan to ban japanese anime and keep it off our shores.
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Feb 5, 2017 23:54
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Degenerate art is real but it never had anything to do with Jews. It's anime.
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Feb 6, 2017 02:11
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JFairfax posted:First they came for the bronies, and I did not speak out— *And it was good.
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Feb 6, 2017 06:38
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For Nigel Farage's many faults he is a very well dressed guy. That's how you expect British people to dress. What's the point of being British at all if you're not going to dress like that all the time anyway?
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Feb 6, 2017 23:38
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You don't have to win an argument to be right.
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Feb 7, 2017 00:00
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You guys shouldn't wreck your countryside it's the one good thing you have left.
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Feb 8, 2017 13:06
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God I love that woman.
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Feb 9, 2017 12:07
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Aside from forcing all the MPs to vote for his precious brexit and tanking their standing in the polls, what has Great Helmsman Corbyn managed to achieve in his time taking up space at the top of the Labour Party?
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Feb 9, 2017 12:15
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Jedit posted:He hasn't been a fuckwit making GBS threads up the UKMT. You don't actually believe that do you? You think all the bickering Corbyn has caused in this thread is good? hakimashou fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Feb 9, 2017 |
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Feb 9, 2017 23:04
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What I don't get about the "opposition should never oppose what people voted for" thing is that it sort of defeats the whole purpose of an opposition doesn't it? Isn't the role of the opposition to oppose the policies that people voted for when they voted for the government in power? Is the opposition bound to vote for the government's manifesto commitments? Isn't the whole point of the opposition to represent the minority? Do you guys legitimately not understand this or is it "we will do or say anything no matter how transparently absurd to rationalize the actions of Chairman Corbyn."
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Feb 10, 2017 01:08
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Bacon Terrorist posted:As pointed out in Private Eye's 'Medicine Balls' column for the January issue, Labour can't even win an opinion poll that the NHS would be safer in their hands right now, and depressingly it's no surprise. If you can't win on the NHS right now what can you win? If you can't run a political party how can you run anything to be fair.
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Feb 10, 2017 03:14
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BizarroAzrael posted:I mean, doesn't that just show how stupid and credulous people are? It's just objectively wrong. Is it even possible for someone to be worse for the NHS than the current tories? Corbyn has done such a bad job leading the labour party that people think yeah, it is it. Maybe "leading" is too kind a word. He's done such a bad job telling the labour party what to do with 3-line whips. hakimashou fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Feb 10, 2017 |
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Feb 10, 2017 03:15
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BizarroAzrael posted:It might have been the worst thing he could have done in an impossible situation, yeah, how does one go from that to drawing the conclusion Labour will be worse for the NHS than people actively sabotaging it? They probably didn't used to until Corbyn came along.
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Feb 10, 2017 12:46
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/30/david-cameron-ed-miliband-trust-nhs-survey Milliband didn't strike me as very trustworthy and Cameron was as slick as butter, so not surprising.
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Feb 10, 2017 13:04
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Sion posted:That's interesting because from where I'm standing, the Democrats look like they couldn't rub two dicks together at a porn shoot. The liberal party is standing up to Trump in the way that a gold fish stands up to a blue whale, fin to fin and oh poo poo your system doesn't support the idea of more than 2 big fish in the same pond. The difference is, Trump got to be president on basically a technicality, and only because Hillary, self indulgent vain idiot that she is, blew her campaign hardcore. It was a perfect storm of bad things falling juuuuuuust into place. Where as you guys keep voting in bigger Tory majorities and also voted for brexit. The pendulum will swing back to the good guys here sooner or later, just like it did after Bush. But brexit is a bell you poor souls cannot unring.
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Feb 10, 2017 13:43
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Baron Corbyn posted:lol at thinking the Democrats are good guys, and not the not-cartoon-villain guys. Bigger lol at thinking you're going to have real elections in America under Trump. He's already laying the foundations for massive voter suppression with his 3-5 million illegal voters poo poo. First it was Bush gonna fix all the elections with Diebold, then it was Obama gonna declare martial, now it's Trump gonna end elections... I'm not about to start buying into the hysteria, I lived through the Bush years, and dark as it was, it turned out not to be the end of the world. I'm sick to death over what this orange abomination is doing to debase our great nation, but I'm not a college kid anymore so the hysterics seem a little droll. Anyway if you can't figure out that the Democrats are the goods guys in American politics, and you're not a right winger, you've lost touch with reality. But it wouldn't be unfair even a little bit to say that the folks who reelected Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the Labour Party, after the brexit referendum no less, have lost touch with reality in a big way. I don't think I've ever been more relieved to have been born on this side of the Atlantic. hakimashou fucked around with this message at 14:00 on Feb 10, 2017 |
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Feb 10, 2017 13:57
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Regarde Aduck posted:Who the gently caress are "you guys"? Who wasnt allowed to vote in the brexit referendum?
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Feb 10, 2017 13:58
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Alertrelic posted:Good to see that American liberals have been so thoroughly humiliated that they find it easier to defend the Democrats and attack the far-left from the refuge of British politics. Civilization itself was humiliated on Election Day. The light of the world has dimmed 
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Feb 10, 2017 14:08
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What are you guys gonna do if it turns out that Britain has become just well and truly anti-immigrant anyway? Like if no party that isn't hostile to immigration can win?
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Feb 10, 2017 14:12
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jabby posted:'if'? What I mean is, what's the game plan for the British left? Die on the hill or make the best of a bad situation?
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Feb 10, 2017 14:26
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What cabinet position do you think he'll get in 30 years?
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Feb 10, 2017 14:27
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You know who else whines absolutely non-stop about the media being to blame for all their Party/movement/candidate's ills? Like to the extent it is their biggest talking point? Trump supporters. Before trump the rest of the wacko far right here. I knew the blame-the-media line seemed familiar.
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Feb 10, 2017 14:39
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JFairfax posted:have you even seen the british press? And yet we've got trump stinking up the White House. Can you blame the media for recognizing a big juicy shitshow when they see one and sitting down to enjoy their meal? hakimashou fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Feb 10, 2017 |
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Feb 10, 2017 14:44
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Pochoclo posted:Never in my entire life has anyone ever given me one good loving reason why you should love your country. Loving your flag is such a ridiculous loving concept that I'm not even going to engage it - the fact that human beings are capable of such a sentiment is a terrible thing all in itself. But seriously, love your country? Basically it's loving a government, because people come and go - humans are migratory in nature, history is full of invasions and counter-invasions. Countries amount to nothing but government apparatus, and seriously, you love that poo poo? Are you loving stupid? The same reason people love their family and friends more than strangers. It's not wrong for someone to be more proud of a friend or family member that achieves something than of a stranger, and we wouldn't consider it to be morally wrong for someone to save the life of a friend or family member instead of a stranger if they were somehow only able to save one of the two. It's just part of being a human being. hakimashou fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Feb 16, 2017 |
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Feb 16, 2017 01:12
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Miftan posted:I'd hate my family if they kept doing lovely things to me like voting in tories. Disagreeing about politics is a pretty lousy reason to hate your family. You only get one family, there are millions of people out there you can agree about politics with. I have an aunt who is totally in the bag for trump. I don't talk about politics with her but I only have the one aunt left and there are 65,000,000 other people who also voted for Hillary.
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Feb 16, 2017 01:20
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spectralent posted:Actually if your relatives are poo poo you owe them nothing. Families are people who love each other, if they can't manage that then gently caress them. There's more to life than agreeing about everything though.
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Feb 16, 2017 01:51
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Tesseraction posted:Spoken like someone whose only socialisation is with their family. It might be interesting to see the results of a survey about political obsession / weird alternative politics and healthy family relationships.
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Feb 16, 2017 01:53
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spectralent posted:Things I disagree with my grandpops about : How it's best to bury people, which planes look cool. Is that how it works in britain? The majority of brits, the tories and brexiteers and the people fine with what they do, are all about 'people not having a right to exist.' Isn't it possible you've twisted it into something else in your head?
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Feb 16, 2017 02:01
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Tesseraction posted:It's a little telling here that instead of denying a lack of socialisation you try and put a "tu quoque" on it. I figured you were just projecting tbh, which is why I got curious about the connection between obsession about politics and especially weird alternative political stuff and healthy family relationships. A bunch of people so far have chimed in about how 'gently caress my family if they don't agree with all my stuff i'm obsessed with about politics.' Anyway the reason I thought you were projecting is because it was such a bizarre response to "you should love your family because you only have one family." When people display bizarre, out of left field responses to everyday stuff it makes you think. E: 85, the number worn by Chad Ochocinco, whose name meant "Chad 85" in Spanish" hakimashou fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Feb 16, 2017 |
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Feb 16, 2017 02:03
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Does jeremy corbyn love his family? Didn't he divorce his wife because she wanted to send his kid to a good school?
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Feb 16, 2017 02:09
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kustomkarkommando posted:I heard Jeremy Corbyn hates his family and all families and wants to destroy our way of life and take children away from their parents He did divorce his wife so she couldn't send their kid to a good school though didn't he? I'm almost certain I read about it on here. If someone is so debased that they can't put their own children's well-being ahead of some kind of political orthodoxy, how can they be trusted to put their nation's well-being first? We've seen plenty of examples of states obsessed with political orthodoxy. Hell on earth. Is socialism the Moloch of Jeremy Corbyn, to which he would sacrifice even his own first-born?
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Feb 16, 2017 02:20
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spectralent posted:If your policies aren't good enough for your family, why are they good enough for the rest of the country's? It's not wrong for people to want the best for their family. For example, if several people are tied to some train tracks and you only have time to untie one of them, to choose your own brother dad or something instead of a stranger. It's not incompatible to want the best for your own friends and family and also want the best for other people too. It might be impossible to send everyone's kids to great schools, but if you can send your own kids there you should, for their sake. Its part of treating people as ends in themselves rather than as means to some other end.
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Feb 16, 2017 02:31
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spectralent posted:Which is exactly what education is like, and, while we're at it, a thing that happens all the time and politicians need to be on record for. Up until the sad events of 2015 I don't think anyone was worried that Jeremy Corbyn was going to start a political dynasty or ever actually amount to anything at all in politics were they? If his kid had gone to private school, do you think people would now have to worry that the labour party would never be free of this albatross? That corbyn the younger would eventually replace corbyn the elder and that labour would be out of power for a whole generation?
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Feb 16, 2017 02:42
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spectralent posted:do you just have a compulsion to get your sicknasty Hot Take in whenever you lose arguments or is this like some kind of contractual thing I learned a long time ago that you don't have to win an argument to be right. Some folks you just can't reason with.
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Feb 16, 2017 02:47
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OwlFancier posted:Gonna venture that prioritizing people over others because you personally like them actually probably is wrong, just impractical to prevent in cases of life-or-death snap decisions. Only in cases where you have some duty to be impartial. If Jeremy Corbyn was the head of some admissions committee for some school and simply didnt give his kid bonus points for being his kid, that would be a good example of what you mean. But if you know for example that christmas is coming up, and there are millions of people, any two or three of whom you could give a nice christmas gift, but you prioritize your friends and family over strangers, that isn't wrong at all. I think that "should we send our kid to the best school we can afford, or send him to a school that isn't as good, because other people can't afford to send their kids to as good a school as we can" isn't an issue where a duty to be impartial exists. Certainly not some bizarre version of impartiality along the lines of 'we should send our kid to an average school, even if we can afford to send him to a better one, because not everyone can afford to send their kids to a better school.'
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Feb 16, 2017 03:01
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OwlFancier posted:No it is actually wrong if you do that instead of say, donating the money to someone who really needs it. I don't think that you can expect people, normal sane people, to forego their own children's welfare. And if "ought" implies "can," then it's not a valid ethical requirement. Many paragraphs could be written, even whole books, on the slippery slope between "I should donate this money to the poor and send my kid to an average school" and "I should give everything in excess of the barest minimum necessity to live away, so long as it improves the life of anyone who has it worse off at all."
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spectralent posted:And I mean, more generally, why do private schools exist if there are people with enough money to spend them on Schools But Better? Access to a good education shouldn't be dependent on your background, so if there's all this money floating around for better education why the gently caress isn't it coming into the educations budget? They're spending it on schools anyway, might as well tax them. I'm all for taxing the poo poo out of rich people to pay for good schools for everyone. I'm just not sold that jeremy corbyn is the guy who is going to make it happen in the UK. I'm more inclined to think it is less likely to happen with him in charge. Because if the labour party is ever going to even have a chance to try it, they first have to win elections and control the country.
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