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and i must meme posted:why are so many people right wing anyway? public opinion for things like nationalisation of railways is pretty high iirc Far more people than you think are selfish cunts
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So it's almost like most people would like a voice to represent them and are less fussed about winning elections
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Nothing. At least he's being honest. It's also the exact position leftists are criticised for over centrism. mfcrocker posted:So it's almost like most people would like a voice to represent them and are less fussed about winning elections
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I'm pretty sure that won't hold up in court, Theresa.
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Pissflaps posted:I don't understand this. The idea that electability is worth compromising your values for isn't widely held and, in your case, is unevenly applied as a stick to try and whack a leftist Labour party. The centrists in the party lost both the 2010 and 2015 elections; that doesn't mean they should've suddenly become UKIP to try and win support. Likewise, the Corbynite Labour party shouldn't become centrists despite being obliterated in the polls right now. A Tory government is a big bunch of poo poo, but I have no interest in having Tory-lite either. That got us nowhere.
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Jose posted:based on what they were promising it got us a tory majority Yeah, turns out it's pretty hard to out-tory the Tories.
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Feb 27, 2017 15:55
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Tesseraction posted:I love your desperate attempt to make everything to do with the Brexit process about my particular vote. You did properly poo poo the bed with this one though
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Pissflaps posted:I don't think anybody expects 'Corbynite labour' to become centrists, just to recognise that they're an existential threat to the Labour Party as a parliamentary force. Bollocks, the major existential threat is the massive swing to the right of pretty much all political discourse in the Western world. A centrist candidate would be absolutely hosed.
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Tesseraction posted:I still firmly believe Britain is ultimately better off outside the European Union. Sure, we're just saying that this is ignoring a wealth of evidence to the contrary. Pissflaps posted:Why would a party closer to the right be more hosed than one further removed from it? They wouldn't be, which is why I didn't say that. Centrist Labour would be hosed, Corbynite Labour is hosed. Neither is going to win an election in 2020.
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Tesseraction posted:There's certainly been a fair level of cock-ups from the Tories that compound upon the unavoidable troubles innate to a process like this. I'm not denying these exist either, nor am I asking you to ignore them. I'm just not convinced, even with the gently caress-ups that have been happening, that this is a shitted bed... yet. You can generally trust the Tories to subvert expectations there though. The bed is shitted, the Tories are gleefully rolling around in it and you're going "well I wish they wouldn't roll around in it but it doesn't smell that bad" Pissflaps posted:The problem is that labour is being turned into one of them. If we're talking historic Labour positions, they're being turned back into a leftist socialist party Pissflaps posted:I think a centrist labour would be in a better position to capture disillusioned Tory voters. We pretty solidly disagree on this - disillusioned Tory voters tend to vote Lib Dem. HISTORYSNIPE: On this day in 1900, Labour were founded.
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baka kaba posted:Now that's a quality snipe Yeah, I had a bit of a look around and when I saw that it was just perfect
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Lunar Suite posted:https://www.ft.com/content/9b1d17d0-d425-11e6-b06b-680c49b4b4c0 Probably a legacy deal from when they were set up. Pretty common tactic of needing to pay for something but wanting to kick the actual payment down the road 20 or 30 years.
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