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forkboy84 posted:I am 90% sure the Iraq War vote was a 3 line whip. yeah it was. forgot about that one 
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As a charity shop volunteer I'm now a bit worried about my apprearance What does it mean?
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Feb 12, 2017 22:56
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Guavanaut posted:They used to be really good for appliances that are just missing a fuse for great prices, but I don't think they can do that anymore. second hand electricals need to be safety tested. so most shops charity don't do them. but there's enough around that do that you should be able to find one. no missing fuses though. it's not the 90s anymore edit: ask me about spending Saturday morning's wiping layers of grease of old wii controllers. it's fun & rewarding Cerv fucked around with this message at 14:14 on Feb 13, 2017 |
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Feb 13, 2017 14:07
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jabby posted:Asking people, especially women politicians, to change their appearance in order to better appeal to the electorate might be trivial to you, but that doesn't make it right to do so. Your argument seems to rest on the idea that while it isn't 'right, reasonable or fair' to judge someone on characteristics they can't change (including ethnicity and gender) political parties should still choose potential leaders/candidates based on those things because the electorate is going to judge them anyway. That's just not right, and it leads back to my basic point which is gently caress focus groups if they are telling you things that you can't (or shouldn't) do anything about. jabby posted:Try and think of it this way. Would you be comfortable with Labour commissioning a survey asking random pedestrians whether they preferred a leader to be black or white,
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Feb 13, 2017 14:12
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Zephro posted:I support whistleblowing etc but I've always wondered about the Katherine Gunn case. What kind of person voluntarily joins a spy agency then finds the idea of bugging the UN so morally unconscionable they can't keep quiet? It's like taking a job at a slaughterhouse even though you're vegetarian or something. I wonder what she thought GCHQ did. romantic notions of them only spying on "the bad guys"? makes you wonder how someone with such bleeding heart tendencies passed the vetting.
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Feb 14, 2017 14:07
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TomViolence posted:The tories already have a majority and labour is already useless, byelections aren't gonna change that. On the other hand you're saying that elections to parliament - the sole means of determining the make up of said party - are irrelevant to that. Do you see the contradiction here?
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Feb 14, 2017 23:21
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/feb/15/bank-england-retain-plastic-5-note-vegan-protest-10-animal-fat When all around is things are going to poo poo, a small beacon of sanity
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Feb 15, 2017 13:43
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Prince John posted:On this vague note, has anyone posted McDonnell's idea about having different immigration policies in different geographical areas yet? So racist areas could keep the immigrants out, while London and Brighton would still welcome them in. I think this idea is not only impractical, but will embolden anti-immigrant groups further and empower them when they can use NIMBYism to further their goals as has so successfully been done by people with an interest in keeping the house price bubble inflated.
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Feb 16, 2017 00:23
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Remember even Diane Abbott sent her kids to private school. You're going to get awfully lonely up there on your high horse taking such a hardline against these things
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Feb 16, 2017 09:42
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Tesseraction posted:'Even' Diane Abbott? Is she meant to be the Gold Standard now? a core member of the inner circle of the left wing leadership of the country's major left of centre party. close ally of Corbyn for decades. I don't know what the gold standard should be. but if Abbott doesn't pass I don't expect very many will. marktheando posted:It's immoral to use private education or healthcare, they should both be illegal. it is immoral to own private automobiles too. more harmful to society through pollution, road deaths, etc. and also a marker of relative wealth. (excepting those in rural areas obviously)
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Feb 16, 2017 13:46
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Tesseraction posted:Yeah all right I guess *throws out bust of Nye Bevan, replaces it with Diane Abbott's memoirs* guess there's no choice but to look to ol' Di-Ab for all future moral compass considerations. frankly i'm disgusted that you'd have that bust in the first place. few things are more immoral that opposition to UK's nuclear disarmament.
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Feb 16, 2017 14:30
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Tesseraction posted:The EU is not a socialist institution, and most hardcore socialist parties opposed it, the membership voted for Corbyn over Owen "Second Referendum" Smith, and going by constituencies leave won with a near-supermajority. I'm not sure how you can square democratic values with your argument, although if you're up for a revolution leading to socialist dictatorship in exchange for remaining in the EU then you're not getting any disagreement from me. These hardcore socialist parties you speak of are a joke. Who cares what the dozens of SWP think?
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Feb 17, 2017 16:54
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kingturnip posted:BBC News is stuffed with Blairites, almost more than the PLP. Not sure who's wrong, but by some coincidence I read this saying Blair wasn't getting as prominent coverage from The BBC or anyone else really anymore. http://www.politico.eu/article/tony-blair-yesterdays-man/
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Feb 18, 2017 20:20
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like this? look at those libdems surge
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Feb 18, 2017 22:42
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Dabir posted:Yeah the PMs are still pathetic cheers. Oooh. Handbags
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Feb 20, 2017 15:53
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Gort posted:Corbyn convinced his party to vote overwhelmingly for Remain, Gort posted:but is principled enough to see through Leave as it has a democratic mandate. And it's just a coincidence that it's what he's wanted himself for the last 30 years. goddamnedtwisto posted:Erm... when exactly did that happen, then? Because the Bill they voted for, says, in it's entirety: They've not voted to force May to go for the hard brexit, but they've voted to allow it when she's said publicly that's what she wanted it. You're splitting hairs.
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Feb 21, 2017 11:17
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Jeza posted:Royal Visits are not the domain of the Prime Minister, not to mention many worse people than Donald Trump have had the red carpet laid out for them. Maybe I should twist words as pathetically as you and say, "Why, no President in almost two DECADES hasn't received an official invitation for a state visit!" yeah they are it's one of those things that officially the monarch has say over, but in reality it's a rubber stamp for the government's decision
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Feb 21, 2017 13:00
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Darth Walrus posted:Similarly, since parliament has power over whether or not we go to war, Blair did set a precedent of consulting parliament which Cameron followed, but there is no particular reason that May or her successor couldn't ignore that if they had the political will. Keep digging this hole if you like.
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Feb 21, 2017 16:13
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TinTower posted:The government have scored a very narrow win on mixed-sex civil partnerships, saying that they can still prohibit them temporarily, but an indefinite prohibition may run counter to Convention rights. Seeing them stood outside the court with "straight equality" placards, I don't think I could care less about their stupid case.
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Feb 21, 2017 17:02
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Is there a material difference between a civil partnership and a registry office wedding? A few small technical differences in edge cases. I bet tintower has a lost. The big one is that civil partnerships might not be recognised abroad when an identical marriage would be.
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Feb 21, 2017 19:49
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Pissflaps posted:Agreed. I hope the court costs bankrupt them. I wouldn't go that far. A nicely written judgement informing them that they have clearly suffered no ill effect from straight persecution is enough. The law can be tidied up when parliament feels like getting around to it without the courts forcing the issue up the todo list.
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Feb 21, 2017 19:52
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TinTower posted:There's also the edge case of forced "divorce" if one of the partners in a civil partnership undergoes gender transition. It was my understanding that the equivalent divorce/GRC veto issue existed with both marriage & civil partnerships. An awkward problem that needs to be resolved, but not relevant to these guys' case. Have I got that wrong?
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Feb 21, 2017 19:56
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JFairfax posted:pissflaps as a homeowner you can rent out part of your property so that you can become a member of the petit-bourgeoisie as a homeowner Jeremy Corbyn does exactly that - rents part of his home to a lodger. you might recall the amusement we all had ITT when the guy got hired by Mail Online. or at least he did up to 2015. maybe being leader of the opposition now he'd be made to stop renting out for security reasons.
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Feb 23, 2017 12:16
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forkboy84 posted:No, gently caress off. We've already had Labour leaders who do their bit to break strikes, I will never support one of those. first time Khan's ever been compared to Ramsay MacDonald
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Feb 23, 2017 17:36
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Spangly A posted:Nice outright lie on the definition of working class, grauniad Language shifts over time. The population of the UK at large don't subscribe to the same strict Marxian definition of 'working class' that the most posters in this thread do.
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Feb 26, 2017 10:30
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Jeza posted:I thought the definition of working class was whether they own a flat cap, and also wear it unironically. i own two. does that make me double working class or too rich anymore
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Feb 26, 2017 14:50
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Lord of the Llamas posted:There's a massive difference between thinking we were wrong to vote to leave and thinking we should ignore the referendum result. ignoring it would be silly. the Irish government did not ignore the result of the 2008 Lisbon treaty referendum; the Columbian government have not ignored the results of last year's peace deal referendum.
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Feb 26, 2017 14:56
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Spangly A posted:it's literally not possible for us to be as badly humiliated as post-blair labour because we don't have 3 million votes to lose what do you mean? over 9 million voted Labour in the 2015 general election
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Feb 26, 2017 17:57
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Pissflaps posted:Everyone in the PLP has, by definition, won an election. i'd previously assumed that the name covered the Labour representatives in both houses of parliament. but that's not how people use it; it's just the Labour MPs. is there an equivalent name for the Labour Lords? or a good catch-all for both?
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Feb 27, 2017 14:14
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OwlFancier posted:I mean I would like to get rid of FPTP too. if Labour had won in 2010 it would've been gone already :'(
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Feb 27, 2017 14:15
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OwlFancier posted:Would it? And there's be no anti Lib Dem backlash which marred the Tory-LD referendum. So I guess yeah it probably would.
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Feb 27, 2017 14:50
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Tesseraction posted:Stupid if true... but the Lords are under no obligation to listen, are they? not that anyone seems to give a gently caress
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Feb 27, 2017 17:38
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Seaside Loafer posted:Don't forget that he also openly said he talked to god about his decisions on wars. I dont know about you but I dont want religious people in charge, they get a bit weird Remember that a majority of the country are religious to some extent.
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Farage has finally snapped and is demanding Carswell be expelled from UKIP. A little moment of good news amongst all the grimness
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