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Speaking of podcasts, The Double Disillusionists have returned for 2017 (rss feed) and in the latest entry ask the question you almost never hear from the MSM: whats the government strategy with the coal and the One Nation and name-calling Shorten? It's a good question. They ask are the govt thinking that going so far Right that perhaps this will somehow trick the left into going Hard Left and then they win the middle? They point out that the middle generally win elections so this strategy of going Ultimate Right is a bit odd. Is it to Trump the ALP? Doubtful, since that kind of politics has always bubbled away in places like Queensland and it's never transferred federally. Speaking of federally, One Nation have some weird state policies. Like protecting chiropractors and cutting the number of MPs by half. Possibly this is all in aid of getting the Opposition to be the story, rather than the government. The ALP are distinctly quiet, letting all the government drama play out. Perhaps the whole pass the parcel with a piece of lacquered coal was part of that strategy because I couldn't see the point other than to snub the BCA and enrage Twitter.
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# ¿ Feb 14, 2017 20:14 |
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# ¿ May 16, 2024 08:04 |
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Capt.Whorebags posted:This is all just student politics writ large. Win the news cycle, have a good week, embarass the other side. Most of the time this is the explanation I go with; it was just interesting to hear someone ask the question why, as if there might be something else to it. Some Twitter cynics have suggested it's pure distraction politics to divert attention away from the terrible legislation they're trying to ram through, but the trouble is that you need to get the legislation through for the ploy to succeed. When the legislation fails because they cannot and will not negotiate in any kind of faith good or bad, it gets noticed and it draws attention to the legislation itself and the public realise we're back to 2014 and the pattern will be the same this year. He's tried the double dissolution tactic, it nearly failed and the triumph of getting the ABCC bill through was rather muted due to all the caveats. Meanwhile there is an absolute mountain of failed legislation and seemingly no more ideas from the brains trust and another two years of term. It's looking really dire.
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# ¿ Feb 14, 2017 21:48 |
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Frogfingers posted:Next time you have libs talking at you about "personal responsibility" and "self-reliance" thank them in finding common ground about a 99% inheritance tax. It does rather come down to something like that, doesn't it? Taxes need raising, on whom and for what? Turning taxes into personal responsibility is hilarious coming from the LNP.
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# ¿ Feb 15, 2017 14:24 |
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The rich people complained. You know, the ones who think there is no such thing as society because if there was, that would mean they owed some responsibility and they don't like that.
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# ¿ Feb 15, 2017 22:35 |
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some Crikey bastard posted:Bill Shorten appears to be edging closer to Kirribilli House with every passing day as Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and the Coalition melts down following the defection of rogue Cory Bernardi and with questions swirling around the Liberal Party's approach to One Nation preferences. et voila!
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# ¿ Feb 16, 2017 09:39 |
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Katherine Murphy seems to have woken up and realised that quote:We were talking about the relentlessness of everything. I told him I’d thought over Christmas about hanging up my boots because the universe we both inhabit now feels hostile to humanity, it now roils like a cauldron. Spend too long in a cauldron and you end up as essential nutrients for a witch. Uh Katherine, that's been the case for a decade. But read the rest, it's quite good, explaining why Shorten is in as much a mess as Turnbull. A mess none of us want, and no one will fix it.
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# ¿ Feb 17, 2017 04:13 |
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Tokamak posted:I had to look it up and Dear god did queensland relocate to Scotland when I wasn't looking?!
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# ¿ Feb 17, 2017 22:15 |
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Who cares if it's true or not, either way the guy is a dickhead. The Loon Pond had an amusing aside about Foxtel: quote:The pond is long over Catholic confession - down there with transubstantiation - but after encouraging anyone who'd listen, and many who don't, to have nothing to do with News Corp, the pond now has Foxtel in the house. Murdoch is presiding over dying media, the very elite he pretends to disdain, and all he can offer to people is a discount on broadband for a service no one wants.
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# ¿ Feb 19, 2017 00:39 |
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:omg google homo sapiens holy poo poo.
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# ¿ Feb 19, 2017 10:56 |
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In case it goes away too soon:
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# ¿ Feb 19, 2017 11:00 |
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:http://www.afr.com/brand/rear-window/aba-anna-bligh-collateral-damage-in-scomos-sasha-grebe-shocker-20170219-gug71f This shows the widening gulf between the managerial class and the Liberal Party. You couldn't imagine Howard's regime allowing such political idiocy out in public, but worse: they are becoming unsuitable for the revolving door, not for any failures while in office (as Bligh's appointment demonstrates), but their inability to keep their cool and leave their political affiliations at the boardroom door. It also demonstrates Turnbull's powerlessness, that he can't manage his own Treasurer. He might have issues finding a gig after this himself.
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# ¿ Feb 19, 2017 18:38 |
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Also, the tea-leaves say the banks are signalling they know the LNP are cooked, and the ABA wasn't going to pick anyone from that team ever.
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# ¿ Feb 20, 2017 06:03 |
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adamantium|wang posted:First Dog: This looks a bit like a shoutout to Bruce Petty and his wonderful illogical machines. Here's a topical one from a few years ago:
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# ¿ Feb 20, 2017 07:13 |
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gay picnic defence posted:I thought this was interesting Wow, that certainly feeds into the perception that corporate Australia, outside the Minerals Council have pretty much decided they can't trust this lot to mind a pram for 5 minutes let alone provide certainty around low-carbon transitions.
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# ¿ Feb 20, 2017 11:21 |
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Les Affaires posted:Its not even that they cant trust the LNP, its more that the political position of each party is becoming irrelevant to the climate change debate, because regardless of whether there is a law or court precedent or whatever, board governance has to operate on the assumption that there is otherwise they can expose themselves to a whole lot of poo poo. It's more than their ideology is in direct conflict with reality, making it impossible to rely on them. These are not conservatives in any sense of the word any more.
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# ¿ Feb 20, 2017 20:17 |
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You Am I posted:gently caress I hate Australian Mainstream/Commercial media. AgentF posted:These "politicians only squabble all day" types need a sense of history instead of shrugging their shoulders and deciding that all politicians are equally bad. The pervasive pattern is that there is a neutral issue, then the Libs politicise it and attack Labor with it, then Labor defend it (what else should they do? concede to every new attack?) and then it looks like two equal sides squabbling with each other. This is an important pattern because it shows you how politicians and media reinforce each other to keep their gig humming along. It's the he-said she-said fake objectivism the media loves, and it blunts issues major party politicians don't want to actually deal with. You've got Hanson for comic relief, and you can ignore the Greens because they're no fun at all and only want to discuss boring things like policy no journalist can be bothered understanding themselves much less present in an understandable format to their audience who desperately need such clarity. Also, if Tingle on Late Night Live is right, everyone in the Libs is backing away from Morrison and pretending he's a lone wolf, 1 because it embarrasses Turnbull, but 2, misses an opportunity to bash ALP on their banking RC policy and now they have to wait for the electorate to forget about it before they can try again. iajanus posted:I'm on our treadmill and gizmo is watching me and I'm pretty sure he's mocking me Always post cats especially Gizmo.
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# ¿ Feb 20, 2017 23:21 |
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Mamma mia here we go again.
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# ¿ Feb 21, 2017 03:00 |
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Zenithe posted:This had shitter effects than old Who, which I think we'll all agree is an impressive feat. Blake's 7 is a wonderful mix of hysterical performances and very edgy political drama. It does pose the question: once authority has debased itself so far as the Federation has, is the only moral response terrorism, or freedom fighters? Also has the distinction of not just one MacGuffin but two! Apart from joking about the presentation (this is a series that not only scavenged actors and props, but production staff from Who), it has very serious themes despite being entertainment. I very much doubt any public broadcaster would get away with such a drama now, they'd self-censor it to death.
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# ¿ Feb 21, 2017 05:38 |
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Ora Tzo posted:I think she's gonna encounter bad writing. If there isn't an Aliens type face-off with the Master, I will consider it a lost opportunity. ungulateman posted:There's a reason I referenced the Contras; it's a Cold War allegory. The message is just confused because the good guys need to simultaneously be part of the New Republic and scrappy underdogs, while the bad guys need to be the leftover remnants of the Empire turned terrorists and also the Big Bad Evil Empire. The movie kinda glosses over what makes the Republic not the Empire outside of 'doesn't blow up planets', which is the world's lowest possible bar I didn't know this, I thought it was merely rewriting parts of old history, but that is proper historical revisionism, that. It shows you how complex it can be in the service of a political point (and this is political, it's about winning the wallets of privileged people who don't want to be reminded of it), and also shows that the conversation has moved on to the point its difficult to portray that without some kind of set up to excuse it. In the same way, explaining Dr Who is a bit less easy now than it was in the 1970's when Tom Baker played it for kids. We thought Blake's 7 was grown-up scifi at the time. That's how ridiculous these things seem looking back. Imagine building a wall to keep people in/out. Wait, why are we doing this again?
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# ¿ Feb 21, 2017 18:44 |
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You Am I posted:The Liberals are really doing their best to dance around the Negative Gearing elephant in the room. I just enjoy Morrison reheating failed Joe Hockey arguments.
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# ¿ Feb 22, 2017 00:17 |
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JBP posted:Anyway what I'm saying is gently caress boomers they can suck a dick. That's the essential problem, they don't want wages to grow but they won't solve it the other way either.
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# ¿ Feb 22, 2017 00:42 |
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Zen and the Art of Bullshit.
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# ¿ Feb 22, 2017 22:47 |
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The worst thing about the Unfair Work Commission decision is doing something like this when wage growth is at a record low, and prices are rising. Guaranteed to shrink the economy, sends a signal that Sundays are not worth working on, and entrenches the working poor. Spectacular own goal, ruling class.
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# ¿ Feb 23, 2017 02:57 |
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What loving clowns we have for leaders.
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# ¿ Feb 23, 2017 09:09 |
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G-Spot Run posted:https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/feb/23/tony-abbott-takes-aim-at-turnbull-and-lays-out-conservative-manifesto Yes, in the middle of all this, Tony loving Abbottoir decides to lay out a manifesto, viz: quote:Tony Abbott has used a book launch to unveil a sweeping conservative manifesto for the next federal election, declaring the Coalition needs to cut immigration, slash the renewable energy target, abolish the Human Rights Commission, and gut the capacity of the Senate to be a roadblock to the government’s agenda. What a goose.
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# ¿ Feb 23, 2017 10:48 |
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Fkn do it. PM Dutton, the final destruction of the oblate spheroid.
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# ¿ Feb 24, 2017 04:05 |
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Morrison would have been the Tories' first choice had he not supported Turnbull over Abbott (and done a poo poo job as treasurer) He's a "moderate", always suspect, despite trying his best to be a hardarse. Its the mute smirking indifference that marks Dutton as a winner over Morrison. One thing's for sure, it's destroying the presidential PM convention more surely than anything else I'd hoped. Which only makes elections harder for the parties.
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# ¿ Feb 24, 2017 04:10 |
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Lid posted:This was all done under the deluded contention that the political debate in Australia has been hijacked by the Left. Just taking this on its own merits outside of any context: A significant part of the base believes this. He would not be encouraged in this view without a bubble big enough to reinforce it. Media has of course shifted drastically right under the pretense (to themselves) that they represent the middle. But people like Dutton are of the absolute same worldview and bubble.
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# ¿ Feb 24, 2017 09:37 |
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Scylo posted:Annabell Crab wrote something not terrible for once Lmao she's actually afraid. So she should be.
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# ¿ Feb 26, 2017 07:22 |
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All Shorten has to do is what, hilariously, Theresa May is planning: play the centrist. It's a hard tactic to beat, Turnbull can hardly claim to be more centrist than Shorten. Never mind that it's bullshit, and they keep pretending they are when they're not, its the horse-race aspect of it that is also effective on the media. Shouty Malcolm has failed. If it keeps sliding, it really is on.
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# ¿ Feb 26, 2017 12:53 |
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Moon Atari posted:Hey auspol thread, I stopped paying attention to australian politics awhile back because it was all too depressing, but I want to get back into following it now for some masochistic reason. Are they any sources or blogs you recommend? I used to get most of my news from abc but they have gone to crap, and I don't want to pay for crikey. Guardian is ok, mainly because a lot of established bloggers have ended up there (like Grog), and their live commentary on parliamentary sessions is without peer. New Matilda is good, often covering subjects in more depth or from non-mainstream angles. For instance, a very interesting critique of Naomi Klein's angle on climate change and the fossil fuel industry. It's hard to find a viewpoint that has that kind of balance anywhere. http://independentaustralia.net/ another independent news source. Famous for hunting down everything to do with the Jacksons when the mainstream media couldn't be arsed, and discovered a truly awful couple of people who are still trying to justify themselves in court. Also the home of Asbygate investigative journalism. They're ratbags but they're great. I do use the abc websites justin news ticker just to get the basics, although the guardian's news updates often trump it on my phone. https://thesaturdaypaper.com.au also an excellent source of analysis, but it does limit you to one free article per week (hint: read the Q Society article this week). Likewise https://www.themonthly.com.au/ which has its own paywall but really good stuff in it. On the blog side... Andrew Elder's blog is good when he can be bothered updating it. He has history and insight into the Liberal party (particularly the NSW variety) that is unique. He is also very not impressed with the mainstream media and often locks horns with them on twitter which is also entertaining. loonpond.blogspot.com is a fairly sarcastic look at the output of the Right press which helps with paywalls etc, often with screenshots of columns that thus cannot be revised. ethicalmartini.wordpress.com who rants about general mainstream media and the political horse-race, he's just done a piece on how poo poo the ABC is now. He's coincidentally political editor of Independent Australia. There are a bunch of good political podcasts, the Guardian does Australian Politics Live, Andrew Street and Dom Knight have The Double Disillusionists, Jeremy Sear continues with Well May We Say, and there's a heap of others I haven't gotten around to that I'm sure someone here will mention.
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# ¿ Feb 26, 2017 14:07 |
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You Am I posted:Sit back and watch the fireworks in my book. If Shorten says anything, the Liberals and News Corpse media will try to paint him as one of the faceless men during the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd days. Which is unfair since the other side has a free hand to sink the boot and it generally improves their numbers. But governments lose elections. So yeah watch them burn him as they "come to realise" their mistake. That little phrase is a giveaway, because they bloody knew. And so did the press gallery, who would have known of this for some time. It doesn't take a genius to work out that your backgrounders are connected, and it accounts for the rabbit-in-headlights stance of the CPG who loathe having to big up Shorten but couldn't mention the Libs implosion.
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# ¿ Feb 27, 2017 00:21 |
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Doctor Spaceman posted:So we're just going to overlook the fact that Bernardi likes to be called the Dark Knight? You're surprised? Hell, I'm only bummed he doesn't call himself Two-Face. snoremac posted:Someone tell a simpleton why politicians freak out about polls years before elections to the point where coups are a natural state of affairs these days. Because they have no idea how to govern, they literally understand politics only on the level of winning elections, taunting the opposition and favours to mates.
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# ¿ Feb 27, 2017 00:28 |
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The MSM absolutely encourage that view but I think they simply haven't grown out of student politics which is a safe space for dickheads to play führeprinzip without actually accomplishing anything. Their final goal, the abolishment of a compulsory services fee for tertiary students, is exactly the kind of useless destructive ideological crap that they carry into adult politics.
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# ¿ Feb 27, 2017 00:38 |
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Well Shorten is absolutely not allowed to change his mind because something something polls.
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# ¿ Feb 27, 2017 01:56 |
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Turnbull's blaming the polls on Abbott and Shorten's going to fight the penalty rates cut ( to try and make the Greens invisible again)
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# ¿ Feb 27, 2017 03:20 |
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The MSM is adroitly amnesiac when the wind changes direction.
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# ¿ Feb 27, 2017 05:05 |
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We're talking senior counsel and discretionary powers. They've just demonstrated that noone is safe if they criticise and they've just lost the PR war forever. Turnbull's government is now doomed. Way to loving go, chumps.
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# ¿ Feb 27, 2017 07:30 |
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Straight from the Minister to you! It's legal but it sure as hell ain't reelectable.
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# ¿ Feb 27, 2017 09:37 |
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# ¿ May 16, 2024 08:04 |
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Nothing about #centredoxx from Tingle on Late Night Live last night but plenty on Onion muncher and some vitriol towards ex-onion wrangler Credlin. Why, you might get the impression that Tony is a wrecker like that narrative we never heard. Little sympathy about #penaltyrates either, Malcolm is a disappointment.
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# ¿ Feb 28, 2017 00:11 |