|
I'm not too worried. Dad is healthy again. love that Matt Cullen. e: also Sullivan had to order hockey bot 87 to stay off the ice today Ginette Reno fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Feb 2, 2017 |
#
¿
Feb 2, 2017 02:20
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ Apr 28, 2024 19:38 |
|
|
Suspicious posted:Mike "can't teach an offensively stacked Pittsburgh team to score on the PP" Yeo Are you saying 5 guys standing stationary and passing around the perimeter isn't the key to a good PP? e: Feels like it's gonna be hard for Sid to hold onto the goals lead. A lot of guys breathing down his neck since he's slowed down a bit. Should still be able to hit in the 40s I think but that may not be enough with Ovechkin around. ee: Colorado is loving embarrassing by the way. They're almost 03-04 Penguins levels of bad and they've got a wayyyyyyyyyy better roster than that team did Ginette Reno fucked around with this message at 08:22 on Feb 2, 2017 |
|
#
¿
Feb 2, 2017 08:12
|
|
|
I grew up near there. I'd be totally down for this  e: Tbh though a team like the Islanders should not be moving. They've got 4 loving Stanley Cups. A team with that kind of history needs to find a way to stay.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 3, 2017 23:01
|
|
|
Trevor Bird posted:i just assume he takes faceoffs and leaves the ice at this point pretty much
|
|
#
¿
Feb 5, 2017 19:08
|
|
|
Mike_V posted:Robby Fabbri out for the season with a torn ACL so the Blues are now in the lottery That was a weird play to get that severe of an injury on.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 5, 2017 20:24
|
|
|
Mind_Taker posted:Vegas taking Grubauer would be ok all things considered. Obviously it sucks losing a quality backup but he's never going to supplant Holtby, and otherwise they are likely going to lose Orlov or Schmidt who are both good enough to be regular top 4 defensemen. I'm hoping the Pens lose Pouliot or someone like that but it will probably be Rust or Hagelin which would suck. Unless the Pens decide to give up on Maatta (or trade him before the end of the season) and opt for 7 forwards 3 d instead. They could also choose the same route for Dumoulin I suppose and protect Letang/Schultz/Maatta
|
|
#
¿
Feb 6, 2017 04:10
|
|
|
Maatta has been solid at times but he also has stretches where yikes. His skating is just so bad now. It was never a strength, but it feels like he's even slower than he was as a rookie. Between him and Dumo I'd keep Dumoulin for sure because Dumo can still skate well.Pornographic Memory posted:I don't really understand why people think losing Hagelin to Vegas would be that bad, because I see this relatively often. He was important in winning the Cup by being one third of the HBK line no doubt, but his contract is bad when you consider he's pretty much a bottom six player. $4 million a year for this season and the next two, for a guy who's never broken 40 points. Before this season started, I could understand that fear - he looked like he could legitimately be the best LW on the team because the other options were bad or uncertain. But now that the season's playing out, Sheary looks like he's a legitimate top six player, and Guentzel is too good for the AHL with a solid shot at being an NHL top six winger too. So if all Vegas wants from the Penguins is a bottom six player on a bad contract, that's basically the best case scenario for the expansion draft since you have to lose somebody. Rust would be a pretty "good" loss too because he could probably be replaced by Sprong next season, and is the third best RW on the team after Kessel and Hornqvist to begin with. Hagelin is valuable even when he isn't scoring. His forechecking and backchecking are just ridiculous. He's so disruptive on the ice. I'd rather lose him than Rust of course but I'd hate to lose either. They're big parts of the Pens' identity as a speed team. Furnaceface posted:Are we still pretending the Pens are going to be rescued from their goalie situation by LV and not have to buy him out and eat the cap hit going forward? You know some other team will be dumb and/or desperate enough to trade for him. Even if not, the Pens will buy him out if they have to, or bribe LV not to take MM.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 6, 2017 07:39
|
|
|
Schlesische posted:Outside of Calgary and Dallas, who needs better goaltending... like pronto? St. Louis unless they think Allen is going to rebound. Possibly a team like Winnipeg who has the cap space to absorb Maf's contract without worry and who might want two strong goalies even though Maf sucks but for some reason he's considered good
|
|
#
¿
Feb 6, 2017 07:46
|
|
|
Schlesische posted:Based on their willingness to move on from Elliot, I'd say they believe Allen is the long-term answer and will probably give him until sometime next year to prove them wrong. I doubt Winnipeg want to put a bunch of money into an old goaltender unless they think he can teach Hellebuyck. Keep in mind they also have Eric Comrie to push Hellebuyck in a couple years time. I don't know how it's going to play out but I'd be surprised if some team doesn't take a flier on him. There's always that one idiot GM. Mind_Taker posted:It's gonna be Blackhawks vs. Penguins because evil always triumphs. That would be an entertaining finals at least because there'd be nothing but goals and tarding around. If it's not the Penguins I hope it's some other Metro team because jesus gently caress the Atlantic is boring.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 6, 2017 15:56
|
|
|
Jim Rutherford magically becoming a good GM for the Pens is one of the weirder heel turns I've seen in the past 10 years
|
|
#
¿
Feb 6, 2017 16:56
|
|
|
Teemu Pokemon posted:Goddamn Gretzky threading the loving needle like it's nothing I like when decides to randomly skate towards the boards in the neutral zone and do a blind spinorama pass to a streaking Kurri. That poo poo would gently caress up defenses today too if he was doing that.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 6, 2017 18:35
|
|
|
FrenzyTheKillbot posted:Obviously buying out Fleury is the failsafe, although it's possible he somehow gets hurt at the end of the season and can't be bought out (that's a thing right?) The idea would be you tell Vegas hey we'll offer you xyz if you don't take Murray and you can still take whoever in the expansion draft (Hagelin, etc). If you don't want that deal we're just going to buy out Maf instead and you'll still get the same player you're getting now but without the additional picks + prospects. Obviously Vegas could renege on that I guess and take Murray in the expansion draft anyways but NHL gms generally don't do backstabbing poo poo like that. And it's a stupid idea on the Pens' part because there's no reason to give up picks and prospects just to keep both Maf and Murray. I'd rather take a cap penalty since keeping Maf is basically a cap penalty anyways. But my GMs have been morons about Maf for years so I'm not holding my breath that they do the right thing.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 6, 2017 19:33
|
|
|
Zodijackylite posted:Looking at Hagelin's point totals alone is deceiving. He doesn't play the power play, but his production at even strength is outstanding. He put up 37 ESP last year - for comparable, three guys who put up 38 ESP were Giroux (22g 67p), Stamkos (36g 64p), and Perry (34g 62a) - likely with more ice time. He's one of the best at filling the secondary scoring role, and that also overlaps with being one of the best defensive forwards outside of the elites. His point production (or lack thereof) doesn't even bother me because like I said he's so incredible away from the puck. He forechecks and backchecks like his life depends on it.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 6, 2017 20:24
|
|
|
Maatta was slow even in his rookie season, and skating speed isn't something you can easily improve at the NHL level. His speed is what it is and I don't think a long off season of training will help it much. The question is how effective can he be with that skating? He seems okay as #4 or so dman when he's playing smart which is most of the time, but when he gets away from that hoo boy does he look bad because he doesn't have the speed to make up for bad reads.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 6, 2017 22:18
|
|
|
larkko posted:To go back into Gretzky-chat for just a bit, I've always thought this quote by Pumpkers about coach Gretzky in Phoenix is just great: I Google translated it and it said this and I started laughing: quote:Yle Sports and Olli Jokinen got their teeth into Finnish legend a long career tastiest stories.  e: hahaha it said this too quote:Olli Jokista is expected to continue as a player and as a person in his mouth a cigar-smoking cock boy who Helsinki Arena to celebrate youth world championship gold medals in winter 1998. Cigar smoking cock boy
|
|
#
¿
Feb 6, 2017 22:26
|
|
|
Julien is going to get scooped up the minute a team has an opening.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 7, 2017 17:39
|
|
|
Shawn Cotureier posted:RON HEXTALL Haxstol has the same vacant look on his face Mike Johnson always had
|
|
#
¿
Feb 7, 2017 17:59
|
|
|
Shawn Cotureier posted:Konecny out 4 to 6 weeks with a lower body injury I guess sitting is a lower body injury now?
|
|
#
¿
Feb 7, 2017 21:43
|
|
|
Levitate posted:Eh I think the biggest criticism I can think of with Kovalev is that if he was a smarter player he could have been considered one of the greats. All the physical tools were there and he could do pretty much anything any of the top players in the league could do, often better than they could, but but he didn't necessarily apply them as well as some other players. It's like...Crosby is the best in the league not because he's obviously the most physically talented player in the league...I think there are a lot of players you could say are on Crosby's level in terms of the outright talent department, but he's so good at just playing the game and knowing what to do or knowing how to take advantage of his opponents and use his skills to their best advantage. Kovalev didn't quite get that, at least consistently. Processing the game at high speeds is a talent imo and it's one most of the truly great players have. I also think it's something playmakers maybe get undue credit for when the all time great goalscorers have it too. Like Ovechkin knows exactly when to jump into a spot and unleash his one-timer. And Lemieux was famously good at appearing out of seemingly thin air at the exact point where a juicy rebound was popping out.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 8, 2017 22:08
|
|
|
Therrien is good at coaching trap and counter hockey which given the Habs' lackluster roster is probably what they should be playing. Their depth is poo poo. Not sure anything magical would happen with a new coach. They should be a shell up kind of team since their only real advantage is Price. Compared to other elite teams their forwards/d are quite lacking.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 9, 2017 19:29
|
|
|
The Guy Carbonneau Habs were entertaining though whether that was because of him or their roster I don't know. But that 07-08 team did a lot of pretty passing plays and their powerplay was always amusing to watch.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 9, 2017 20:59
|
|
|
Schlesische posted:The team is not as bad as it's made out to be. Galchenyuk and Danault look like decent top 6 centers, Gallagher, Radulov and Pachioretty are definitely top-6 wingers. The third line is pretty good for a third line, even if Shaw does like taking poorly timed penalties. The fourth line is massively underrated (even if it is very streaky). The individual D-men are good although their pairings leave a lot to be desired (especially Weber-Emelin, my god that pylon fest is sickening). I was being a bit hyperbolic by calling it poo poo but compared to the rest of the playoff teams their depth is nothing special. It's enough to win with given they have the best goalie in the world. Also not sure why anyone would mock Therrien for failing in 08. That Red Wings team was arguably the best Cup winning team of the post 05-06 era. I'd put that team against any Cup winning team since then and favor them. Therrien also had Maf playing at a 930 save percentage that year (he would have won the Conn Smythe, lol) which is a loving miracle. He's got some big flaws as a coach but I don't think he's anywhere near as bad as people think.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 9, 2017 23:30
|
|
|
ThinkTank posted:The Capitals became just the 2nd team in NHL history to score 5 or more goals in 10 straight home games last night. The last time they didn't score 5 at home was on New Year's Day. They're almost a +70 in goal differential. Pretty dominant. And yet...
|
|
#
¿
Feb 10, 2017 15:43
|
|
|
Jamwad Hilder posted:I really think this is Washington's year. Every year the roster seems to somehow be even better than the one before it and they've been an elite team for years now. I think so too. The Pens are still very good this year and could take them down but the Pens don't have the same level of defensive excellence this year and HBK hasn't been the same. Without those two things going for them the Pens won't get too far in the playoffs unless Sid/Geno pop off. The Pens will probably still be the toughest matchup for them. If I'm Washington I want that matchup though. Sooner or later they have to vanquish their demons.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 10, 2017 16:06
|
|
|
I don't think have any statistical evidence to back this up so this is basically talking out of my rear end but one thing that always bothers me about the Caps and playoff hockey is they're not that fast a team so when it's the playoffs and everyone is going 100% all the time that seems like it hurts them more than it might other teams. The Pens gave the Caps absolute fits last year with their speed. The Pens used to have that problem too where younger and faster (but not necessarily more talented) teams would give them nightmares in the playoffs when everyone was going full bore all the time because their own team speed wasn't so great. It's not necessarily crippling. For all that the Caps still gave the Pens by far the hardest time they had last year in the playoffs. I know Pens/Tampa went 7 but that was basically all Vasilevsky going into jesus mode and the Pens out shot them every single game iirc. The Caps were the only team last year that fared well against the Pens in terms of possession.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 10, 2017 18:30
|
|
|
It's not like the Pens look bad. They lead the league in scoring and this despite injuries to key players at various points in the season. It's mainly their defensive play that has been lacking, but the overall record is still great so it's hard to complain too much. They'd normally be in first place with the record they have but this year the Metro is so good that the Rangers who have a fantastic 35-18-1 record are in fourth place.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 10, 2017 19:27
|
|
|
Aphrodite posted:They must have misheard the fans calling for them to hang Lehtonen from the rafters. This is pretty good
|
|
#
¿
Feb 11, 2017 21:18
|
|
|
lol Maf
|
|
#
¿
Feb 12, 2017 05:06
|
|
|
Yeah that's a terrible play. It looks like he immediately realized what he did and regretted it too.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 13, 2017 00:19
|
|
|
Brent Burns is fuckin' ridiculous and I might just give him the Hart right now. I dunno what Crosby is doing is quite impressive too so it's hard to pick. That's my story.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 13, 2017 01:43
|
|
|
bub spank posted:Burns definitely deserves the Norris this year, but it's interesting to see the unanimous hype for Burns given the intense debate over the award last year. On the same date last year, Karlsson had 62 points in 56 games (3rd in NHL scoring), led his team in scoring by 17 points, and led the next-highest scorer on defense (Burns) by 16 points. This year, Burns has 59 points in 57 games (4th in NHL scoring), is leading his team in scoring by 11 points, and leads the next-highest scorer on defense (Karlsson) by 14 points. Aside from the goals and overall team strength, not all that much difference - but the Norris front runner all last season was Doughty, whereas there hasn't been much talk of anyone but Burns winning it this year. I think this is because Karlsson has the perception of being all offense and no defense whereas many consider Burns more of a two-way guy. Mike Green had the same problem. Not saying that perception is accurate, but that's how a lot of people in the hockey world think.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 13, 2017 16:22
|
|
|
ThinkTank posted:I don't get this at all. Burns essentially plays as a forward and gets most of his points off the rush. He's not a two-way guy. Hell, he was a forward until he was 19 and has played several seasons as a right winger including a couple years ago with the Sharks. They probably both deserved consideration tbh. It was harder for Karlsson because Kane had such an outrageous year. Burns is a lot closer to winning the Ross than Karlsson even though comparatively their seasons are similar. What Karlsson did last year may have even been more impressive considering he logged almost 29 minutes a night.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 13, 2017 16:37
|
|
|
Brett Keisel makes HBK look like a bunch of random joes off the street. NFL athletes are just so loving big
|
|
#
¿
Feb 14, 2017 17:42
|
|
|
Fire Julien. Sorry just wanted to be the first to say it.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 14, 2017 22:52
|
|
|
Luca Sbisa makes me laugh every time I watch this video
|
|
#
¿
Feb 15, 2017 15:40
|
|
|
ThinkTank posted:It's funny how what makes one man laugh can make another weep tears of pure anguish. I'm sorry. I don't think that was even the only wtf play from Sbisa last night. He also stood right next to Malkin and ineffectually whacked at him on the first goal.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 15, 2017 15:57
|
|
|
grack posted:If you were really sorry you'd get the Pens to trade for him. Then he'd just win a cup here somehow to further drive the dagger into Canucks fans hearts
|
|
#
¿
Feb 15, 2017 19:18
|
|
|
Schlesische posted:The Habs and Leafs (among a few other teams) are distinct in that they make sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much money they don't have to give a poo poo and can quite happily afford to pay a coach 10mil a season if they want to. Which is really what they should be doing. There's no reason teams like the Habs, Rangers, Leafs, etc shouldn't have a massive advantage in terms of scouting, coaching, and management. They have the resources to hire the best people and there is no cap on it. It makes it all the more comical when they're awfully mismanaged.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 16, 2017 16:35
|
|
|
ThinkTank posted:Non player costs are really easy to hide though and any halfway competent team would be able to skirt them with little difficulty. What counts as scouting expense? Just the scout's salary, or does that include all travel, benefits, etc? What about video scouting? Does installing a state of the art video room count as an arena cost or a scouting cost? Can you hire a scout as a member of the ticketing department and then have them "volunteer" to travel to Sudbury to watch games? What about hiring a Leafs scout as a Raptors employee? I dunno if I consider the Pens a big market team. They spend to the cap right now and get plenty of fans obviously but traditionally they've had trouble maintaining that when they don't have a generational player on the team. If the Pens become lovely for any length of time again they'll suffer the same attendance issues. There aren't many teams immune to that and they're definitely not one of them. They're definitely a good villain for the moment, though. As for your other questions, I'm not sure. All I know is having a comically high budget like some teams have should translate into some type of advantage even if they're limited by what they can spend on their actual team. If you look at baseball for example, the Red Sox do have a gently caress ton of money to spend on players and that certainly is a lot of their advantage but they've invested heavily into analytics too and it has paid off. And even from a Cap perspective there are plenty of teams that do not spend up to it so even there the Leafs and teams like that should be able to spend that money in such a way as to get a distinct advantage.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 16, 2017 17:21
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ Apr 28, 2024 19:38 |
|
|
Look Around You posted:So apparently according to Friedman the pens may be in on duchene or landeskog and may send maatta back? I'm not sure how I feel about adding that kind of cap hit, but with how hurt our forwards are i can see why jr may be kicking tires. I also wonder about shattenkirk too, but I dunno if the pens would target him. JR isn't afraid to make big trades so I wouldn't be surprised. What's more questionable to me is whether the Avs would accept a trade from the Pens. Surely another team can offer better than Maatta + first or whatever. It would own all the bones to have Duchene though. They could use him on wing this year and then let Bones go in the off season depending on what he wants and use Duchene as 3c instead. He'd be so perfect for our tard hockey skating system too. e: Lando would be fine too but Duchene is more intriguing for me
|
|
#
¿
Feb 16, 2017 22:31
|
|