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ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

T-Bone posted:

gently caress Dan Hinote

Wise words, but the headline "Blues Hit a Hinote" when he signed with them is still one of my all-time favourites.

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ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

a false posted:

Mike Dad Bab Clock i tell ya boy

He's been the highest paid Maple Leaf for over a year now.

Zodijackylite posted:

Until this hiring, the highest paid coach other than Babcock was Dave Tippett in Arizona.

https://www.capfriendly.com/coaches

Tippett is also the executive VP of Hockey Ops and gets a great deal of say on roster decisions (he's essentially an AGM under Chayka) which is why he's paid so much. There aren't many other coaches that have a management position as well, so he basically draws two salaries and fulfills the same role as Lou in Toronto.

The Canucks are still paying half of Tort's salary as well I believe.

ThinkTank fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Feb 16, 2017

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

Ginette Reno posted:

Which is really what they should be doing. There's no reason teams like the Habs, Rangers, Leafs, etc shouldn't have a massive advantage in terms of scouting, coaching, and management. They have the resources to hire the best people and there is no cap on it. It makes it all the more comical when they're awfully mismanaged.

Non player costs are really easy to hide though and any halfway competent team would be able to skirt them with little difficulty. What counts as scouting expense? Just the scout's salary, or does that include all travel, benefits, etc? What about video scouting? Does installing a state of the art video room count as an arena cost or a scouting cost? Can you hire a scout as a member of the ticketing department and then have them "volunteer" to travel to Sudbury to watch games? What about hiring a Leafs scout as a Raptors employee?

I honestly don't mind that certain teams get a big advantage in coaching and scouting as it means the big markets can continue to be relevant and play the villain role. It would be disastrous for the league if the Leafs, Habs, Rangers, Hawks and Penguins were all terrible simultaneously (like it was back in the early 2000s and we lost a season as a result).

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

Ginette Reno posted:

I dunno if I consider the Pens a big market team.

Their Forbes valuation isn't as high as I expected, but they're still 10th as of this year. But yeah, perhaps Boston or Philly would've been a better answer. Still, the Pens have Sid and that keeps them relevant just like Lebron does for the Cavs and Curry does for Golden State.

Ginette Reno posted:

And even from a Cap perspective there are plenty of teams that do not spend up to it so even there the Leafs and teams like that should be able to spend that money in such a way as to get a distinct advantage.

The Leafs already game the cap pretty handily. They're paying in the nieghbourhood of $35M of excess player salary through a combination of buyouts, buried contracts, retained salary and permanent LTIR. There are really only two or three teams that can afford to to do that, and the Leafs have quite happily benefited form their ability to just burn money whenever they want. No one really complains about that despite it being such a distinct competitive advantage. I don't see how scouting/coaching/management dollars are any different.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

Spring Break My Heart posted:

Pittsburgh was broke as hell in the late 90's/2000's before Crosby, shedding big players like crazy from their good days until they had a frighteningly low payroll and Dick Tarnstrom was their leading scorer. There was some expectation that they would move to KC. Lemieux got ownership stake because they owed him so much money from his playing days.

Yeah, but that was ~15 years ago and a lot has changed since then. They've turned into a regular cup contender and built a brand new stadium. 10 years ago the Hawks were one of the poorest teams in the league, now they're the most popular and profitable American franchise after the Rangers.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

Bartkowski is the worst defenceman I've ever had the pleasure of watching play live and I've been to several ECHL games.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

El Gallinero Gros posted:

Also, you've seen Luca Sbisa

Remarkably, Bartkowski was far worse than Sbisa ever was but the one good thing I can say about him was that he wasn't hideously overpaid as well.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

Jordan7hm posted:

Speaking of the fat man - Jankowski is having a pretty good first pro season, with 31 in 40 (after a faster start he's slowed down a bit). He's not gonna be viewed as the best player in the 2012 draft in 2022, but he certainly isn't looking like too bad of a pick for where they got him, and the slow entry to the league should at least make him cap friendly as a productive NHLer. That draft was pretty bad for forwards.

It's not a bad strategy to take late bloomers / committed college guys after the "sure thing" top ~10, but it's pretty risky for a GM who can't count on being there four or five years down the road when the picks pay dividends.

It's his draft +5 season, if he's not contributing meaningfully on a professional roster by now he never will. Even Brendan Gaunce (he of 1 goal in 68 NHL games) had 38pts in 46 AHL games last year.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

Sidney Crosby is the 86th player to record 1000 career points.

He's gonna curse Daniel Sedin for not getting there first for the rest of his life.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

https://streamable.com/zdsuj

Yikes.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

DJExile posted:

jesus christ the Avs have just completely given up

They're on pace for the worst season since the Thrashers' inaugural season in 99/00 and those guys didn't have the shootout.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

xzzy posted:

But Duncan Keith has a cereal brand, how can you hate someone wanting to bring joy to children every morning.

Joy in the form of childhood diabetes.

At 17 grams of sugar per cup, it's one of the worst cereals out there. For comparison:

Froot Loops: 10g per cup
Honey Nut Cheerios: 12g per cup
Count Chocula" 15.6g per cup
Capn Crunch: 16g per cup

ThinkTank fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Feb 17, 2017

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

I made a deadline thread for people who want to speculate about nothing happening

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3810893

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007


Every reminder of that show makes me frown deeply at all the wasted hours I poured into it. Ditto for the Canucks. Growing expectation followed by bitter, bitter disappointment is par for the course for my 'entertainment' selections.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

Sharks Eat Bear posted:

do you have any idea how badly i want to kill you?

LOST was a directionless mess, and I say this as a formerly devoted fan who stubbornly watched to the last schmaltzy second of that garbage finale.

Hockey!

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

https://twitter.com/Zeisberger/status/834267073232662529

Please free Laine from Winnipeg.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

https://twitter.com/renlavoietva/status/834782988403605504

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

In sad news:

https://twitter.com/Ourand_SBJ/status/834814123275907072

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

Kale posted:

Man the Habs really really loving suck at this point and I'm not even sure I feel like watching of the rest of the games regardless of whether they still make the playoffs and are inevitably the first team to get bounced. Way too many games where they're just completely shut out or only manage one garbage goal for an NHL club. There isn't even a doubt in my mind that the team needs a complete overhaul in the off season and I hate to say it but I'm not even sure Price is in-expendable anymore. I'd rather have moderately less competent goal-tending from when he's at his best than these constant shutouts from a completely offensively inept team in the second half of every season. It's way easier to win a game and build streaks like 4-2 or 3-2 wins or something than it is trying to win every game 1-0.

I still think Julien is and will prove to be a way better coach than Therrien in the long run for obvious reasons but it's crystal clear the problem isn't a coaching one after all. The teams just not nearly as good as it always appears to be to open seasons.

Shea Weber turning back into a pumpkin after putting up 8g and 18pts in his first 22 games hasn't helped either. He hasn't been bad offensively since then, but 6 goals and 16pts in his last 38 games isn't the production they need from him. His PPG has fallen below Subban's at this point (.55 compared to Subban's .62).

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

Pornographic Memory posted:

Wow you nerds and your fancy stats like "time on ice" and "even strength points", let me tell you something, I once saw PK Subban try and make a cute play with the puck...and lose it! Shea Weber won't do that, and he's big and mean, too. Because a guy hitting other guys so hard it makes them scared to do stuff and they play worse is a thing that happens at the NHL level. Plus Shea Weber is a good leader guy who knows how to win, which he's done a lot of during his time in Nashville, unlike PK Subban who just did so much losing in Montreal, except when some other guy lead them to winning.

I heard that PK Subban was a meanie poopoo who sometimes mentioned himself when talking to the press and once (ugh, it makes me sick to even think about it) accidentally walked across the logo in the centre of the dressing room.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007


Ah, so that's the excuse Benning is going with when he doesn't trade anyone at the deadline.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

Apparently the Sens did it first a few days ago

https://streamable.com/nzxjr

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

Hutton, Rodin and a trainer all have the mumps now too.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

Look Around You posted:

Just sitting here thinking that if Shattenkirk somehow goes today (even though it's unlikely) how hilariously bad Tradecentre will be tomorrow.

The painfully awkward "well it wasn't a seller's market" press conference from Benning on Wednesday afternoon will make it all worthwhile.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

sportsgenius86 posted:

Jackets claimed Zac Dalpe on waivers

I have no idea how he keeps getting work in the NHL. He's the most forgettable hockey player to have ever lived.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

The Canucks might not be able to trade Ryan Miller because Markstrom managed to injure himself doing this bullshit yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqqXaFXUzsI

Good job guys!

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

Zodijackylite posted:

Did he get hurt falling over backwards while trying to stand up at 3:31?

Quite possibly! No matter how he did it he's getting an MRI today.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

The Dirty Burger posted:

I love that he balked at including Chabot or White for Duchene but trades Dahlen for Burrows

And that Cody Ceci was apparently too big a price to pay for Jonathan Drouin.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007


Hmm... that reminds me of something...

quote:

Prust was third in the NHL last year with 16 fighting majors, behind only Dorsett (17) and Colorado’s Cody McLeod (19).

“Derek sent me a text thanking me,” Benning said.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

Josh Ho-Sang got called up to the Isles today and will wear #66.

JHS is awesome.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

Kalenn Istarion posted:

In the expansion draft how are protected vs unprotected players decided?

The expansion draft has a bunch of rules around eligibilty, but the key ones are:

quote:

Protected Lists
* Clubs will have two options for players they wish to protect in the Expansion Draft:

a) Seven forwards, three defensemen and one goaltender

b) Eight skaters (forwards/defensemen) and one goaltender

* All players who have currently effective and continuing "No Movement" clauses at the time of the Expansion Draft (and who to decline to waive such clauses) must be protected (and will be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits).

* All first- and second-year professionals, as well as all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits).

So don't worry, Matthews, Nylander and Marner are fine. Capfriendly has an expansion draft tool if you want to play around with it.

https://www.capfriendly.com/expansion-draft

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007


I'm not sure that counts because I'm fairly certain that was an interventionist god granting a dying child's wish last year.

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ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

iospace posted:

I don't think there's a :jebstare: big enough.

The new uncle daddy

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