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bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

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Cartoon Man posted:

Pierre McGuire is and always will be loving retarded.

he grows on you after some period of time, you just have to wait it out

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bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

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is greatest hockey of all time play to show dominance of strong Soviet men over weak and soft capitalists


I for one would pay a fair amount of money to watch a game in which noted hockey legend Vladimir Putin has to skate against former pros who don't let him score every time he touches the puck, but only if it is full contact.

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

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my God this thread has been pessimistic lately

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

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Suspicious posted:

At being king of poo poo mountain?

https://youtu.be/tNV16tz1NK0

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

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ThinkTank posted:

Yup, it boils down to the fact that those with responsibility (generally older) are jealous of the unencumbered nature of those without it (the young and carefree). Placing the expectations of a 53 year old family man on a single 22 year old guy leads to situations where Seguin gets traded for a bundle of soiled rags. People do a hell of a lot of growing up and settling down in their twenties, it just requires a modicum of patience to play out.

The thing is, with high level athletes, you have to do the work when you're younger, because that's when your body can best handle the physical demands of playing a pro sport. Just about every player on an NHL roster was, at some point, an uber talented superstar manchild dominating little kids...and a lot of those guys flame out at lower levels because they get outworked by equivalent talents who are willing to put in the work as the skill level increases. In this context, 22 years old is kind of ancient...most NHL caliber players have been busting their asses since they were 13, or maybe even younger than that. If you haven't learned to put in the work by 22, that can be a big problem.

Note: I'm not conflating having a good time party boy lifestyle with working your rear end off in the gym and on the ice: these are different matters. I'd expect a millionaire in his early 20s to have a good drat time, but to still prioritize his profession over his leisure activities. It might be unfair to expect this of teenagers and early 20-somethings, but that's how sports works.

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

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ThinkTank posted:

Nothing has changed from his rookie season in regards to work ethic, training, etc. (or at least we can assume he hasn't suddenly decided to start hanging out at strip clubs and chugging codeine). So why has the team suddenly decided he's not trying hard enough? Why wasn't that identified last year? And if it was, why did the team feel they had to modify a successful formula? Why is it that apparently coasting on talent worked one year, then isn't close to good enough the next?

I have absolutely no idea about Gotitsbear's daily routine or work ethic or anything else, but it certainly isn't unheard of for pro athletes to suddenly and dramatically fall off performance-wise due to a lack of work ethic after having achieved something big (usually the big contract, but could be making it to the big leagues too). There could be any number of things that are causing the sophomore slump; not working hard could certainly be one of them. Point being, it isn't at all unreasonable for a coach or manager to get on a guy for not meeting the expectations the team or organization has with regard to work ethic. It might be misguided in some cases, but in other cases it is totally warranted (note: I do not have any idea where Gotitsbear falls on this spectrum).

I do agree though that pro sports teams in general are exceedingly impatient and a variety of bad things comes from this behavior.

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

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Jordan7hm posted:

The thing is that even if his work ethic is the problem, benching a guy doesn't actually fix his work ethic. It just makes your team worse.

There aren't much things worse for an athlete than to be not playing when you think you should be playing....in hockey this goes for never ever beer leaguers all the way to the NHL. If indiscipline is the issue here, having a game or two to stew about it can be a pretty effective motivator. If the issue is a developmental one however that's a different story.

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

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See Iafrate, Al for another example of a player who had the physical ability to be one of the best of all time but whose brain didn't work quite as well as the rest of him

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

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I always had the impression SAS hated Ilitch for some reason which I was generally completely indifferent to but it seems based on what I've heard recently that he was a pretty standup guy as billionaire sports owners go.

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

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God drat I'd prefer someone just pummel an rear end who does poo poo like that but apparently we've evolved past that stage of the game

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK13lnBHkOk

edit: real winner:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz0Rk7febsM

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

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boris valabik: next chara

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

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VJeff posted:

lmao 45 years old.

Forty loving five.

He's literally the greatest non-Gretzky non-Howe player of all time, right?













bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

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The really untouchable records in North American sports are all of the pitcher records from the late 19th/early 20th centuries. Wilt's record will probably get broken someday...Kobe Bryant had 81 a few years ago, that's a whole lot closer than any modern pitcher will ever get to 680 innings pitched in a year or whatever that record is.

As far as NHL records that are actually sort of breakable (no one will ever beat 502 consecutive goalie games period) go I feel like Bobby Orr's +124 is pretty much untouchable unless the league changes in crazy and unpredictable ways. No one has gotten even halfway there in the last 30 years.


edit - also, 472 PIM

edit 2 - a 6.42 GAA over an entire season

bewbies fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Feb 19, 2017

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

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mmm genesee cream ale

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

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Pornographic Memory posted:

The Player's Tribune has a cool article about the Hockey Night Punjabi guy.

It's pretty crazy that he wanted to become a broadcaster since he was like 4 years old and now he's living the dream having built up the Punjabi broadcast from the ground up.

This is like a Disney movie except it doesn't suck

also just as a general observation sikhs are awesome

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

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xzzy posted:

I would like to see a sikh NHL player somehow incorporating a turban into a hockey helmet.

Some guy in the army figured it out so I'm sure a hockey player could

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

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I legitimately prefer bitching about bad calls to sitting around for 10 minutes waiting for some doofus in Toronto to adjudicate offsides calls down to the millimeter

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

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Mike_V posted:

Blues prospect Vince Dunn wasn't happy about getting hit up high and then one punched an Iowa Wild (?) goon in the hallway

https://twitter.com/Chicago_Wolves/status/835717541490089988

haha one time I got into an extended verbal altercation with Gabriel when he was in the box, he did not strike me as a particularly bright young man although he was quite large

edit - hockey in general needs more of this and less grindy system based puck possession shot blocking defense first team oriented zzzzzz.....

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

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Fire all GMs and all coaches and implement a goon run democratic hockey management process

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

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http://campussports.net/2017/02/26/video-njcaa-hockey-player-viciously-kos-referee-championship-game-called-off/

KEEP YOUR HEAD UP

(the fact these guys look like tripod players make it that much...worse?)

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

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heh

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bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

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I knew the trade market for shattenkirk was soft but...oh well

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