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Feb 2, 2017 20:16
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Maed posted:Sorry but you'll take my antiquing and hiking in Cold Spring from my cold dead hands. Which will probably be easy with all your guns and stuff. i lived in cold spring for the better part of a year and the only good things about it are: the pizza is really good and there's that nifty underground passage like in pokemon
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Feb 2, 2017 20:18
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This is a good article about the Peralta thing: http://www.villagevoice.com/news/a-movement-grows-to-unseat-a-turncoat-queens-democrat-9636815
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Feb 2, 2017 20:29
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Shageletic posted:So what's the deal with the breakaway faction of Dems, and why have they existed for so long. Do the rules of the Senate favor it or something? Republicans are the cool kids with the fancy toys, but only politicians with a D next to their name are electable in parts of the state. It's a strange artifact of how 1. the national split between the parties doesn't really represent state and city issues very well and 2. election turnout is terrible in general, doubly so for state elections, and triply so for primaries.
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Feb 2, 2017 20:39
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zeal posted:i went there *twice* and nobody once said 'I'm walkin heah' on the street Maybe we all forgot about it.
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Feb 2, 2017 20:58
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:Republicans are the cool kids with the fancy toys, but only politicians with a D next to their name are electable in parts of the state. It's a strange artifact of how 1. the national split between the parties doesn't really represent state and city issues very well and 2. election turnout is terrible in general, doubly so for state elections, and triply so for primaries. I wish we had the Canadian system of parties
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Feb 2, 2017 20:59
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Ol Standard Retard posted:Other side was big in the nascent musical theater community in the 1930s.
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Feb 2, 2017 21:16
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i like nice words
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Anne Whateley posted:I know you probably figured nobody could possibly care, but as NYC LAN goons can testify, nothing could've given me worse grabby hands We refer to Hal Prince as "Uncle Hal". he's not the family member though. This has been a fun exercise in expressing how neat the connection is without having my name be extremely easily googleable. Although I'm sure it already is on SA at least. Terrorist Fistbump posted:It's a strange artifact of how 1. the national split between the parties doesn't really represent state and city issues very well and 2. election turnout is terrible in general, doubly so for state elections, and triply so for primaries. I think these general points can't be emphasized enough, and I'd add that a huge number of voters think of the "split" between the parties in terms of how it existed I dunno. In 1988, rather than in 2017. Gunshow Poophole has issued a correction as of 22:19 on Feb 2, 2017 |
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Feb 2, 2017 22:14
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theflyingexecutive posted:lol yeah the city is the real burden on the state It's obviously not a financial burden, but there's a huge cultural divide, and it really doesn't make sense to pretend it's one state. Look at the SAFE act as a perfect example. What makes perfect sense to a NY Times writer living in the upper east side, makes zero sense to a guy in suburban albany, or buffalo. The cultural sensibilities of NYC should not drive politics for the whole state, but they do. Not too many people upstate would claim that USNY would be better off financially without NYC, but most would also be willing to pay the price. NYC cultural hegemony is strident and oppressive enough that most would be willing to be less wealthy to get away from it, which is one of the reasons that USNY has been bleeding people so hard for so long edit; yeah I get there are tons of other factors in the de-peopling of USNY. I was 10 when they announced the chevy foundry in tonawanda was closing, like 30k ppl lost their jobs overnight including most of my friends dads. a fair chunk of them moved to florida gobbagool has issued a correction as of 22:26 on Feb 2, 2017 |
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Feb 2, 2017 22:19
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:Republicans are the cool kids with the fancy toys, but only politicians with a D next to their name are electable in parts of the state. It's a strange artifact of how 1. the national split between the parties doesn't really represent state and city issues very well and 2. election turnout is terrible in general, doubly so for state elections, and triply so for primaries. It's not even this necessarily. (Well, except Simcha Felder who is possibly the DINO-iest DINO to ever DINO. Liked even before the IDC was a thing he was caucusing republican I think.) A lot of the IDC dudes are actually to the left of a lot of loyalist Dems on many issues - most of them have signed on to do sponsor the going-nowhere-fast single payer healthcare bill that got reintroduced for the 25th time this week. What it's about is power, money, and (maintaining a lack of) ethics rules. There are substantial financial benefits to majority seniority in the New York State legislature. Being a committee chair is like getting a 40% raise in some cases. The IDC Dems have basically traded control of the chamber for their own personal gain. The main common ground they have with the republicans they caucus with is a commitment to totally shutting down any sort of ethics reform legislation that might stop their gravy train. Beyond that, the relationship is entirely transactional.
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Feb 2, 2017 22:30
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I don't think people should have to die in the cities so some rear end in a top hat in Owego can have an assault rife and buy bunkers full of ammo with no paper trail. What undue burdens does the SAFE act place on upstate? Even the nys sheriffs were only opposed to the assault weapons and high-capacity mag restrictions. It was written specifically to stop another sandy hook massacre, which most certainly didn't occur in the inner city
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Feb 2, 2017 22:31
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theflyingexecutive posted:I don't think people should have to die in the cities so some rear end in a top hat in Owego can have an assault rife and buy bunkers full of ammo with no paper trail. What undue burdens does the SAFE act place on upstate? Even the nys sheriffs were only opposed to the assault weapons and high-capacity mag restrictions. It was written specifically to stop another sandy hook massacre, which most certainly didn't occur in the inner city people in cities werent/arent dying because a rifle had a pistol grip or a 'muzzle brake'. Your statement is perfect NYC. What exactly about the SAFE act would have prevented Sandy Hook? Even your statement about the NYS sheriffs (which I believe you mean the NYS Police) shows how little you understand things. The union for the NYSP told the state to go gently caress itself and advised it's members to avoid enforcing the law, which they largely have since it is correctly seen as meddling from a bunch of culture war imperialists.
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Feb 2, 2017 22:48
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gobbagool posted:It's obviously not a financial burden, but there's a huge cultural divide, and it really doesn't make sense to pretend it's one state. Look at the SAFE act as a perfect example. What makes perfect sense to a NY Times writer living in the upper east side, makes zero sense to a guy in suburban albany, or buffalo. The cultural sensibilities of NYC should not drive politics for the whole state, but they do. Not too many people upstate would claim that USNY would be better off financially without NYC, but most would also be willing to pay the price. NYC cultural hegemony is strident and oppressive enough that most would be willing to be less wealthy to get away from it, which is one of the reasons that USNY has been bleeding people so hard for so long According to a SUNY study in 2011, upstate NY has 36% of the state's population, generates 28% of its tax revenues, and receives 42% of its spending. Take away NYC and its suburbs and you'd basically have to slash per capita state spending by a third, which is enormous.
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Feb 2, 2017 22:59
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gobbagool posted:people in cities werent/arent dying because a rifle had a pistol grip or a 'muzzle brake'. Your statement is perfect NYC. What exactly about the SAFE act would have prevented Sandy Hook? Even your statement about the NYS sheriffs (which I believe you mean the NYS Police) shows how little you understand things. The union for the NYSP told the state to go gently caress itself and advised it's members to avoid enforcing the law, which they largely have since it is correctly seen as meddling from a bunch of culture war imperialists. i am going to take away your guns
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Feb 2, 2017 23:02
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Mechafunkzilla posted:According to a SUNY study in 2011, upstate NY has 36% of the state's population, generates 28% of its tax revenues, and receives 42% of its spending. Take away NYC and its suburbs and you'd basically have to slash per capita state spending by a third, which is enormous. Yeah I realize that. It doesn't make anyone in usny like NYC any more though
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Feb 2, 2017 23:04
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DoctorWhat posted:i am going to take away your guns Basically nobody registered their ars and aks so the law has been ignored. Make libs furious with this one easy trick!
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Feb 2, 2017 23:06
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gobbagool posted:people in cities werent/arent dying because a rifle had a pistol grip or a 'muzzle brake'. Your statement is perfect NYC. What exactly about the SAFE act would have prevented Sandy Hook? Even your statement about the NYS sheriffs (which I believe you mean the NYS Police) shows how little you understand things. The union for the NYSP told the state to go gently caress itself and advised it's members to avoid enforcing the law, which they largely have since it is correctly seen as meddling from a bunch of culture war imperialists. As someone who enjoys shooting all kinds of guns and has no problem with gun ownership, lol
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Feb 2, 2017 23:07
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gobbagool posted:Yeah I realize that. It doesn't make anyone in usny like NYC any more though capital region peeps only dislike nyc peeps who come upstate. everyone who i've ever known liked nyc itself.
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Feb 2, 2017 23:08
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gobbagool posted:Basically nobody registered their ars and aks so the law has been ignored. Make libs furious with this one easy trick! So, if the laws are ineffective and everyone still has their guns, why does anyone give a poo poo? Where's the strident cultural oppression you're going on about? How does NYC's supposed political hegemony (which is absurd, the state senate is dominated by upstate Republicans and has been for 50 years) affect the lives of upstate residents in a negative way?
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Feb 2, 2017 23:08
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Mechafunkzilla posted:So, if the laws are ineffective and everyone still has their guns, why does anyone give a poo poo? Where's the strident cultural oppression you're going on about? How does NYC's supposed political hegemony (which is absurd, the state senate is dominated by upstate Republicans and has been for 50 years) affect the lives of upstate residents in a negative way? Let's be fair. The senate is dominated by suburban republicans who play Dems from the city and upstate republicans off against each other to maintain control.
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Feb 2, 2017 23:17
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Mechafunkzilla posted:So, if the laws are ineffective and everyone still has their guns, why does anyone give a poo poo? Where's the strident cultural oppression you're going on about? How does NYC's supposed political hegemony (which is absurd, the state senate is dominated by upstate Republicans and has been for 50 years) affect the lives of upstate residents in a negative way? The mail order ammo ban is the big thing, and the overnight criminalization of ~1 million or so otherwise law abiding citizens is the other. If you're not a formerly law abiding citizen who didn't want to turn your rifle over to Prince Andrew, it's probably hard for you to grasp why this would piss people off so bad.
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Feb 2, 2017 23:55
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Cubey posted:capital region peeps only dislike nyc peeps who come upstate. everyone who i've ever known liked nyc itself. Agreed, that's what I meant, we all love going to the city, and hell I work there. I don't carry there though!
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Feb 2, 2017 23:55
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gobbagool posted:The mail order ammo ban is the big thing, and the overnight criminalization of ~1 million or so otherwise law abiding citizens is the other. If you're not a formerly law abiding citizen who didn't want to turn your rifle over to Prince Andrew, it's probably hard for you to grasp why this would piss people off so bad. Guns are for pussies and your "UPSTATE RULEZ DOWNSTATE DROOLZ" shtick is really bad.
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Feb 3, 2017 00:15
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Ol Standard Retard posted:We refer to Hal Prince as "Uncle Hal". he's not the family member though. This has been a fun exercise in expressing how neat the connection is without having my name be extremely easily googleable. Although I'm sure it already is on SA at least. I sang for him once, I can probably call him Uncle Hal too right
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Feb 3, 2017 00:18
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I'm really enjoying how this thread is turning into an upstate vs NYC slap fight.
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Feb 3, 2017 00:21
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Awkward Davies posted:I'm really enjoying how this thread is turning into an upstate vs NYC slap fight. So it's true to the title.
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Feb 3, 2017 00:23
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LmaoTheKid posted:So it's true to the title. There's more of us, and we make more money, and we have our cultural hegemony, so I'm thinking we'll win.
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Feb 3, 2017 00:31
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you're closer to jersey tho
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Feb 3, 2017 00:33
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all new yorkers, upstate downstate finger lakes buffalo adirondaks and everywhere else, can all agree: new jersey is the real enemy
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Feb 3, 2017 00:36
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Cubey posted:all new yorkers, upstate downstate finger lakes buffalo adirondaks and everywhere else, can all agree: new jersey is the real enemy My dark secret is I kind of like New Jersey :/ I can't even make fun of their driving because it might be worse on Long Island.
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Feb 3, 2017 00:48
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Guns are bad and I wish they'd be taken away like you're all so paranoid about. Thank you.
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Feb 3, 2017 00:54
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zakharov posted:Guns are bad and I wish they'd be taken away like you're all so paranoid about. Thank you.
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Feb 3, 2017 00:56
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Cubey posted:all new yorkers, upstate downstate finger lakes buffalo adirondaks and everywhere else, can all agree: Long Island is the real enemy ftfy
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Feb 3, 2017 01:05
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Awkward Davies posted:There's more of us, and we make more money, and we have our cultural hegemony, so I'm thinking we'll win. Yes we get it, Chuck Schumer is your president
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Feb 3, 2017 01:17
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gobbagool posted:Yes we get it, Chuck Schumer is your president And Wayne Lapierre is yours?
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Feb 3, 2017 01:19
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Can we all shut the gently caress up about our petty geographical differences and instead focus on a worthwhile goal like getting Anthony Weiner's pixel-censored penis into the primaries for 2020
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Feb 3, 2017 01:21
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no war except class war getting muddled in gun rights is playing into the hands of the elites
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Feb 3, 2017 01:26
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goose willis posted:Can we all shut the gently caress up about our petty geographical differences and instead focus on a worthwhile goal like getting Anthony Weiner's pixel-censored penis into the primaries for 2020 I'm down. Wiener was pretty cool politically. Dude just can't stop sending dick pics.
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Feb 3, 2017 01:27
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Trump once spoke about the size of his mongo member but can this throbbin' thickie stand up to the power phallus of a permanently-erect weirdo from loving Brooklyn
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Feb 3, 2017 01:29
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NYDN headline after first debate: Weiner hangs dong.
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Feb 3, 2017 01:32
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