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Anyone have any knowledge about the Finger Lakes area trying to secede to Pennsylvania over fracking rights? I've heard about that kind of shale under the surrounding area, and uh, something about a movement to partition over to Pennsylvania so that they can take advantage of it. My attention on the subject sort of dropped off, but I wonder if that's still fomenting or if it died out altogether.
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Weeping Wound posted:Anyone have any knowledge about the Finger Lakes area trying to secede to Pennsylvania over fracking rights? I've heard about that kind of shale under the surrounding area, and uh, something about a movement to partition over to Pennsylvania so that they can take advantage of it. Variations on a theme. Because some effete sierra club doner with money who's never left the inner boroughs doesn't like fracking, prince Andrew says no fracking anywhere in the state even for you poor bastards in Chautauqua county who have nothing else going on
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Feb 3, 2017 01:55
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Yeah, because "not poisoning groundwater" is totally a effete bougie trend, like going gluten-free.
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DoctorWhat posted:Yeah, because "not poisoning groundwater" is totally a effete bougie trend, like going gluten-free. FYI, it is. Try getting out of Brooklyn, there's a whole big world out there Edit: Gentry liberal was the insult I was looking for. You're a gentry liberal gobbagool has issued a correction as of 02:31 on Feb 3, 2017 |
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Feb 3, 2017 02:09
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gobbagool posted:FYI, it is. Try getting out of Brooklyn, there's a whole big world out there So you're admitting that fracking is an environmental disaster?
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listen bubs, we had enough trouble the LAST time we introduced firewater upstate
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DoctorWhat posted:So you're admitting that fracking is an environmental disaster? Nope. Acknowledging the reality that downstate nanny types love to tell the rest of us what to do
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Feb 3, 2017 02:17
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gobbagool posted:Nope. Acknowledging the reality that downstate nanny types love to tell the rest of us what to do You seem fun.
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Feb 3, 2017 02:20
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gobbagool posted:Nope. Acknowledging the reality that downstate nanny types love to tell the rest of us what to do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V1o6KlTtqc
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99 CENTS AMIGO posted:listen bubs, we had enough trouble the LAST time we introduced firewater upstate 
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HEY YOU NYC PUSSIES AND CUCKS, I LOVE IT WHEN WE POISON THE DRINKING WATER. ITS GOOD FOR THE ECONOMY OK!?! TRY PUTTING DOWN YOUR LATTE AND COME HAVE SOME OF MY WATER, I CAN EVEN LIGHT IT ON FIRE - a complete loving moron
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Feb 3, 2017 02:35
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LmaoTheKid posted:HEY YOU NYC PUSSIES AND CUCKS, I LOVE IT WHEN WE POISON THE DRINKING WATER. ITS GOOD FOR THE ECONOMY OK!?! TRY PUTTING DOWN YOUR LATTE AND COME HAVE SOME OF MY WATER, I CAN EVEN LIGHT IT ON FIRE - a complete loving moron Another downstate doushebag self identifies
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gobbagool posted:Variations on a theme. Because some effete sierra club doner with money who's never left the inner boroughs doesn't like fracking, prince Andrew says no fracking anywhere in the state even for you poor bastards in Chautauqua county who have nothing else going on Don't sleep on the National Comedy Center in Jamestown, friend. Think of all the people that are going to fly into Buffalo and drive 90 minutes to Jamestown in lake effect snow to see some Lucy memorabilia. That will surely be the thing to turn the local economy around, stop the drain brain, and rid the area of heroin.
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Feb 3, 2017 02:41
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gobbagool posted:Another downstate doushebag self identifies Is that how they spell it upstate?
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KingNastidon posted:Don't sleep on the National Comedy Center in Jamestown, friend. Think of all the people that are going to fly into Buffalo and drive 90 minutes to Jamestown in lake effect snow to see some Lucy memorabilia. That will surely be the thing to turn the local economy around, stop the drain brain, and rid the area of heroin. Banning fracking has certainly brought a ton of jobs there. Ima taxpayer in that county. Doesn't get much worse
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So, uh, is it still it going on?
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gobbagool posted:Nope. Acknowledging the reality that downstate nanny types love to tell the rest of us what to do 
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Hello I live upstate and fracking is bad ok bye.
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Feb 3, 2017 03:17
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Who's gonna do an effort post on WFP, DSA, NKD etc
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GalacticAcid posted:Who's gonna do an effort post on WFP, DSA, NKD etc We'll get around to it when we agree that clean drinking water is good.
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zakharov posted:We'll get around to it when we agree that clean drinking water is good. NNNNNNNNNO! I'll have my diseased lungs like a real North Yorker you nanny state libtards!!!
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gobbagool posted:Banning fracking has certainly brought a ton of jobs there. Ima taxpayer in that county. Doesn't get much worse Oh, so you're actually a true believer fracker guy. Let's pretend that fracking had zero environmental impact. How does extracting finite fossil fuels help the long-term economic prospects of Jamestown and Dunkirk? They're still desolate cities with essentially zero human capital required for the current economy. How many locals will be employed in the fracking business? What happens when the natural gas is gone? What happens to the tangential businesses that temporarily benefited from fracking when they are still burdened by high property taxes and state taxes?
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one of the many reasons why fracking would be awful for upstate NY and the rest of the state is that the delicious beer from breweries like Ithaca and Southern Tier would be ruinedGalacticAcid posted:Who's gonna do an effort post on WFP, DSA, NKD etc
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Feb 3, 2017 04:38
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*flame shoots out of urethra* president bannon I'm ready for the invasion of the southrons in neo-nyc
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Holy loling hot drat that frack lover must have a gimmick account that's too dumb to be real
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get that OUT of my face posted:one of the many reasons why fracking would be awful for upstate NY and the rest of the state is that the delicious beer from breweries like Ithaca and Southern Tier would be ruined Come on now. You and I both know that the beer from Southern Tier would be fine because even the worst water isn't going to overpower that much goddamn sugar. Also, DSA and NKD are wholly unlike the WFP. Maybe in a year or two they'd rate being part of a rundown of "This Is Who Matters in NYS Politics" but they are far from there yet, whereas the WFP is a legitimate (albeit somewhat bloodied of late) powerbroker.
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gobbagool posted:FYI, it is. Try getting out of Brooklyn, there's a whole big world out there lol I was born and raised in Erie, and I'm pleased as gently caress to have gotten into brooklyn. I love the charge of New Yorkers being close-minded and insulated when I can walk ten minutes in any direction and get food from any continent I choose instead of never-ending swaths of subways and McDonald's. Fracking is, best-case scenario, very environmentally risky and its benefits are an economic band-aid. energy companies pit land-owners against each other in a milkshake scenario so they lease for pennies, only work in counties that give them huge tax breaks, and import labor from other sites far more than they train locals. Then, when the extraction costs get too high for the market, they ship the gently caress out without bothering to cap the wells or clean up the pumps So yeah, I don't appreciate putting the water supply of millions of people between the finger lakes and the Great Lakes in peril so a couple dozen assholes who won't educate nor relocate can be middle class again for four years
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Fracking, much like Gun Control has no place in a progressive Democratic Party Platform.
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CaptainPsyko posted:Also, DSA and NKD are wholly unlike the WFP. Maybe in a year or two they'd rate being part of a rundown of "This Is Who Matters in NYS Politics" but they are far from there yet, whereas the WFP is a legitimate (albeit somewhat bloodied of late) powerbroker. Yeah, this is an accurate assessment currently. I'm hopeful we'll mean something soon. De Blasio wanting to come speak at the first Queens meeting was a very good sign. Democratic politicians know that there's some radicalization happening to their left -- it's our job to be the cohesive face of it, I think. If anyone wants to hear more about DSA, we have our own thread now: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3808020
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theflyingexecutive posted:lol I was born and raised in Erie, and I'm pleased as gently caress to have gotten into brooklyn. I love the charge of New Yorkers being close-minded and insulated when I can walk ten minutes in any direction and get food from any continent I choose instead of never-ending swaths of subways and McDonald's. The trucks they use also completely destroy the country roads they drive on but since they barely pay any tax we get to pay for all the repairs.
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i was at a panel discussion at the New School and one of the speakers was one of the higher ups in the WFP. he said that it's a good idea moving forward to recruit more explicitly socialist candidates, which was heartening to hear. that probably puts a bullseye on their backs again that Cuomo would be more than willing to shoot, but bring it on, grease monkey btw i have the cast of characters posts written up and ready. posting it after this one
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IMPORTANT PEOPLE IN NEW YORK POLITICS Governor Andrew Cuomo (D): Andrew is the son of former New York governor Mario, one of the last of the liberal lions of the Democratic Party, and a public school teacher. Either he inherited none of their good qualities or his political positions were formed as an act of teenage rebellion, because he's one of the worst Democrats in America. He's far more willing to work and collaborate with Senate Republicans than he is with members of his own party in either chamber. 2016 marked the first time he made some effort, half-assed as it was, to give control of the Senate to the Democrats. Before that, he explicitly stated that he wanted Republicans to keep control. Policy-wise, while Cuomo did help bring about marriage equality and a (very gradual) $15 minimum wage out of the Legislature and wants to codify Roe v. Wade into the state constitution, he's as corporate of a Democrat as they come. His "Start Up NY" program was supposed to bring jobs to the state but has only created a couple hundred jobs while wasting a ton of money. He co-opted a Republican plan to cap property tax increases at 2%. His much-ballyhooed free public college tuition plan for people making $125,000 or less is far more helpful to people making more money, because students eligible for other federal and state tuition assistance get that counted towards what the state owes. People want you to think that Cuomo is going to be a serious challenger for the Democratic nomination in 2020. If there is a just and loving God, he won't get it. Cuomo's girlfriend is Food Network personality Sandra Lee, whose breast cancer might have been caused by the hundreds of distinct carcinogens that are in his hair. Assembly leader Carl Heastie (D) and Senate leader John Flanagan (R): The other two people that make up the "Three Men in the Room," which basically determines the legislative agenda. Heastie is Democrat from the North Bronx who took over the mantle of leader of the State Assembly last year, when longtime leader Sheldon Silver of the Lower East Side of Manhattan was convicted of corruption. He probably talked Cuomo out of shifting hundreds of millions of dollars of state funding to New York City for things like Medicaid and CUNY (state university system within the five boroughs of NYC) tuition. Flanagan from Long Island took over the Senate last year when fellow LI Republican Dean Skelos also went to jail for corruption. Because of Cuomo's tendency to throw his own party under the bus, Flanagan and the Senate hold more sway and contribute to New York state policy not being as robustly progressive as it should be for a solid blue state. In fact, Democrats hold a numeric advantage in the Senate, but Republicans have control because of... The Independent Democratic Conference (IDC): The IDC started out as a four-member strong group of craven centrist Democrats who wanted more power outside of their own conference. Even though their loyalty is supposed to be up in the air and subject to change every two years, they almost always side in numbers with the Republicans even though they're not by-the-book GOP. Its leader is Jeff Klein, who represents parts of the North Bronx and Westchester County. The other three are Diane Savino of northern Staten Island and Coney Island in Brooklyn, David Carlucci of Westchester County, and David Valesky from a few upstate counties. A couple of years ago, Tony Avella from the parts of Queens that might as well be Long Island joined them, and his politics are about the same- he beat a long-tenured Republican incumbent to get his seat. In November, the dynamic changed, as Jesse Hamilton of Brooklyn (specifically, the partially gentrified but still mostly working-class- for now- neighborhood of Crown Heights and the extremely poor, dangerous neighborhood of Brownsville) announced he would join on the 7th. A couple of days later, Marisol Alcantara of the Upper Manhattan neighborhoods of Washington Heights and Inwood, officially won her open State Senate race and immediately declared she would join the IDC. Hamilton represents plenty of struggling New Yorkers, Alcantara is a former nursing union organizer, and neither of them hold political views friendly to Republicans. However, both of them were lured with the promise of money- Hamilton supposedly wasn't given money for projects he wanted in his district (seems believable, because the Senate Dems can be pretty dysfunctional), and Alcantara's campaign got lots of funding from the caucus. Last week, Jose Peralta of Queens (the Hispanic and South Asian neighborhood of Jackson Heights and the Hispanic and Chinese neighborhood of Elmhurst) brought the IDC number up to eight, presumably for money reasons as well. I don't expect any of the three newcomers to go without a primary challenge in two years- Queens party boss and Congressman Joe Crowley is already looking for someone to recruit against Peralta, Alcantara squeaked out a win against two other candidates and presumably one of them should be ready, and I have to think Rubain Dorancey will now want a rematch against Hamilton, who he lost against in the primary in 2014. Unfortunately, there's anxiety that more members will defect, and Ruben Diaz Sr. (who for some reason isn't caucusing with the GOP directly or is a part of the IDC) thinks they're going to die. Democratic Senate leadership might have some heads rolling. Sen. Simcha Felder (kinda/sorta/not really D): Felder started his Senate career in 2011, as his district was carved out to represent the heavily Hasidic Jewish neighborhoods of Borough Park and Midwood in Brooklyn. He tried previously to primary Kevin Parker (the guy who attacked a NY Post reporter) but lost, and he succeeded Carl Kruger, a conservative Democrat who mostly represented these areas as well as Sheepshead Bay. Felder is an even more dishonest Democrat than the ones in the IDC- he caucuses directly with the Republicans, which is ironic given how poor his district is. He's a vocal opponent of giving New York City authority to tax 5 cents per plastic bag. His bona fides with the Hasidic community will make it drat near impossible to get an effective challenger. I can think of one person, but he'll have to wait a few years. New York City mayor Bill de Blasio (D): The very tall de Blasio succeeded the very small Michael Bloomberg after winning the mayoral election in 2013. Before that, he came out on top of a whirlwind primary involving former city comptroller Bill Thompson and City Council speaker/collaborator with Bloomberg in making NYC even more unaffordable Christine Quinn. Former Congressman and perpetual narcissistic pervert Anthony Weiner was in the race for a time and led until he was again found out to have shown his weiner (lol) to women in sexts. de Blasio has a genuinely leftist past- he honeymooned with his former lesbian wife (seriously, she wrote an article about it in the '70s) in Sandinista Nicaragua. Arguably, de Blasio won because his message of growing income inequality in New York City resonated with voters. While he has signed admirable things into law- universal pre-K for all New Yorkers, five sick days a year to people working in the city who aren't provided that by their employer, identification for undocumented individuals called NYC ID- lately he's been collaborating with developers to build large apartment buildings across the city. Even though a portion of their units are designated as "affordable," hardly any of them can be bought by residents of a given lower-income neighborhood. At the same time, de Blasio does want more funding for things in the city that can only be provided by Albany. For whatever reason, Cuomo refuses to give him an inch, even though they once worked together at the department of Housing and Urban Development and were once considered to be friends. It's probably because Cuomo is a left-punching dick. Regardless of his flaws, de Blasio should win re-election as mayor this year. However, he is being investigated for- what else?- corruption related to campaign funding. It's possible nothing will come out of it, but if it does, expect current city comptroller Scott Stringer to swoop in. Preet Bharara, U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York: The man responsible for attacking Albany's culture of corruption head-on. His office arrested, indicted, and convicted Silver and Skelos. In addition to investigating de Blasio, it's widely believed that he's hot on the trail of Cuomo. Probably because of his willingness to take on these powerful Democrats, Trump kept him on as U.S. attorney. I can't complain about that, really. Hopefully he runs for governor or even president when the time comes. Fun fact: I recently learned that my cousin went to the same high school as Preet, who was a year ahead. His nickname back then? "God." He was destined to do good things.
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get that OUT of my face posted:a whirlwind primary Never forget the best moment of the 2013 mayoral race: The time someone asked Joe Lhota if he would let the subway run over kittens and he said yes.
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get that OUT of my face posted:nerd bullshit lol Can you, or anyone really, describe the differences between the state senate and the state assembly? Like, differences in function/responsibility, cultural differences, relative power and prestige, etc.
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unbutthurtable posted:Can you, or anyone really, describe the differences between the state senate and the state assembly? Like, differences in function/responsibility, cultural differences, relative power and prestige, etc.
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haveblue posted:Never forget the best moment of the 2013 mayoral race: The time someone asked Joe Lhota if he would let the subway run over kittens and he said yes. There was also any time Johnny Cats said anything.
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haveblue posted:Never forget the best moment of the 2013 mayoral race: The time someone asked Joe Lhota if he would let the subway run over kittens and he said yes. My favorite part was going to the first dem debate at town hall in tsq and they were doing a borough roll call in the crowd so you get big cheers from Brooklyn and queens and even people from out of the city, then you get to Staten island and maybe a dozen people cheer. Have you ever heard a thousand people snicker at once? It's magical
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thanks for the effort posts, Y-Hat
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C-SPAM is an eternal dialectic of effortposts and shitposts
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Preet Bharara can never run for president.
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