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the yospos offsite will be hidden on funny.computer
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rather get actual mumps lol
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Feb 7, 2017 10:24
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mishaq posted:which of the top 100 most visited websites run on asp.net? the good ones
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Feb 7, 2017 19:17
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Shaggar posted:the good ones ah, none of them. good to know
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Feb 7, 2017 19:47
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Shaggar posted:the good ones bing - for porn snack overflow - for work hm, checks out
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Feb 7, 2017 20:09
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the highest praise for stack overflow when it came out was "you can't even tell it's an asp.net page". because all of them are usually garbage. still holds true.
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Feb 7, 2017 20:23
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Cold on a Cob posted:bing - for porn bing is likely a hacked up win32 app that outputs html
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my stepdads beer posted:bing is likely a hacked up win32 app that outputs html
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Feb 7, 2017 22:27
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and those frameworks have paid & active maintainers, unlike open sores
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Feb 7, 2017 22:34
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:well, the products i know of that use MUMPS are these, ordered from least bad to most bad friend of mine got a job at Meditech a few years ago, and I got to experience the agony of learning MAGIC by proxy. The poo poo he used to tell me about that language was absolutely horrifying. For example, he could only work with a preset list of static functions baked into the language, and they all had 2-letter names. For example, converting ASCII to hex was "ZJ()" and hex to ascii was "ZH()", and one of his coworkers had written a bit for converting some data to a string for output (or something) that looked like this: code:lol
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Feb 8, 2017 00:16
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sounds like the forum rewrite is going better than expected. I look forward to using it!
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Feb 8, 2017 17:27
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Is it still even being worked on? Who knows?
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Feb 17, 2017 22:13
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maybe we can kill two birds with one stone and pay esr to do the rewrite
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Feb 17, 2017 22:46
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Plorkyeran posted:maybe we can kill two birds with one stone and just delete the forums
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Feb 18, 2017 00:15
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edit wrong thread: but i bet the new forums never happen
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Feb 18, 2017 00:59
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akadajet posted:Is it still even being worked on? Who knows? I'm sure it's going quite well. In a few months we'll all wake up to a fully functional forum with modern software!
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Feb 18, 2017 17:18
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or it'll be like titan. it'll start out being totally custom forum software and then after a few years lowtax will claim that it's really a lot back end stuff the user never interacts with, but it works great trust me. and the actual forums will carry on being a broken piece of poo poo
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Feb 18, 2017 18:09
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The forums work just fine for me.
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Feb 18, 2017 18:11
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akadajet posted:The forums work just fine for me. radium's code is actually good
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how has lowtax not learned to code and mastered the code base he owns for the last 18 years?
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Feb 18, 2017 21:58
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The Management posted:how has lowtax not learned to code and mastered the code base he owns for the last 18 years? besides its his main cash cow which I'm sure has tended to limit the risks he's willing to take
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Feb 18, 2017 22:44
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Gazpacho posted:contrary to rumor one does not learn good practices by studying bad ones in 15 years he could have gone to college for software development, joined a company and been employed as a software developer, grown as a developer learning best practices, been promoted to a senior engineer, and then written a new forum from scratch in his spare time.
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Feb 18, 2017 22:57
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He already went to college for computer, it didn't work out for him
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Feb 18, 2017 23:01
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Also he lives in buttfuck moe, "employed as a developer" lmao
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Feb 18, 2017 23:10
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hes good with computers and a really logical person
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Feb 18, 2017 23:13
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Gazpacho posted:Also he lives in buttfuck moe, "employed as a developer" lmao lee's summit is right outside of kc
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fritz posted:lee's summit is right outside of kc kc is ok lees summit is not
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Feb 19, 2017 06:50
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Sweevo posted:or it'll be like titan. it'll start out being totally custom forum software and then after a few years lowtax will claim that it's really a lot back end stuff the user never interacts with, but it works great trust me. and the actual forums will carry on being a broken piece of poo poo tbf the sensible way to do a rewrite if one is to do one would be to create a component which handles actual posting and rendering of thread pages off of some sensible database + queries to the old one, while keeping the entirety of the old forum rolling with, from its perspective, zero posts in all threads so much weird junk in these forums which there is no reason to really mess with
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Feb 19, 2017 09:25
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:tbf the sensible way to do a rewrite if one is to do one would be to create a component which handles actual posting and rendering of thread pages off of some sensible database + queries to the old one, while keeping the entirety of the old forum rolling with, from its perspective, zero posts in all threads this presumes anyone understands the current query pattern / database lotta fuckin things working against you on that one string bitfields (probably) no foreign keys, given the age of the jelsoft product mysql 4 ported to mysql 5 mystery meat everywhere
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Feb 19, 2017 15:59
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just slap a proxy in front of the old servers. for the forum index, it shows the forum index using some hot new poo poo. for everything else, it passes through to the old servers. then, change it so that new thread creation (and displaying those new threads) goes to your new version, while old threads get proxied through to the old servers. then, make your new version support pms and the store and all the other random poo poo people think they need then, lock all the old megathreads that didn't naturally die while you were working on the random poo poo bam, forums migrated
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Feb 19, 2017 16:06
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Jabor posted:just slap a proxy in front of the old servers. Yep. And then once you have working software you can work on migrating the old threads to the new schema.
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Feb 19, 2017 16:37
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was there a good reason given as why the forum's rewrite wasn't publicly hosted on github or similar? people could help maybe. understand why the old code can't be distributed due to some being proprietary, but getting a copyright agreement and licensing from new contributors should be straightforward?
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Feb 19, 2017 16:45
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Jabor posted:just slap a proxy in front of the old servers. yeah, this is better (nbsd not wrong on his criticism), key to have the old and new coexisting for as long as needed mostly
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Feb 19, 2017 16:48
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maybe lowtax thought he'd sell it, compete with discourse or something (lol)
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Feb 19, 2017 16:58
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Uncle Enzo posted:was there a good reason given as why the forum's rewrite wasn't publicly hosted on github or similar? people could help maybe. understand why the old code can't be distributed due to some being proprietary, but getting a copyright agreement and licensing from new contributors should be straightforward? I'd like this but I'm not sure how much it'd help since People Who Know Elixir isn't a large community don't really understand that decision instead of something like Python/golang/C#
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one good reason to not do it in public would be to not have people bikeshedding on and on about very basic choices which in fact matter a lot less than just about everything else about the rewrite lol golang
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I don't think language choice is triviata, it's a problem that any architect has to think about given the strength of talent/community/tools surrounding a language 
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I was always surprised by that dudes timelines because it felt like he was only considering the base forums UX. like what about * administrative panels * authN/authZ * payments * image hosting * PMs * custom CSS for the pos not to mention it didn't sound like they had any gradual migration plan. IMO without seeing any of the code I'd rather go about decoupling the database out into its own service. at that point I can recreate pieces of the front end over time while still having a single source of truth.
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Feb 19, 2017 18:10
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Worst case you end up with another Radium-esque situation where the one person who can untangle the bespoke functional forums code quits and it ends up accumulating debt + security vulnerabilities
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Uncle Enzo posted:was there a good reason given as why the forum's rewrite wasn't publicly hosted on github or similar? people could help maybe. understand why the old code can't be distributed due to some being proprietary, but getting a copyright agreement and licensing from new contributors should be straightforward?
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