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What was the lowest point of the Simpson
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Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

the lowest point of the simpsons is right now, its the fact that they are still making it

i mean the downward slide started around season 11 or something i dont remember exactly, but its been a long slow decline that will keep reaching new lows as long as it goes

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Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

wtf was that homer live thing supposed to even be. the other poo poo with lada gaga and lena dunham and the election and whatnot is awful but i can at least understand the "logic" of the writers doing that kind of poo poo, but the live call in thing is such an obviously stupid idea im still surprised it was approved and done

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

they should track down whoever is the flat earth truther making those, they'd probably be a better Simpsons writer than the current writing staff

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Houle posted:

Simpsons seems to be going the way rock radio went. From being edgy and experimentation to "the same 20 songs, all ACDC all the time".

lol its well past that point. it has not been edgy or experimental in over a decade, and even when it was good it was never really "experimental" even if some of the social commentary was I guess sort of edgy for the 90s?

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

tv in general is a lot better now than it was during the time when the simpsons was actually good. but by "tv" i'm also including netflix, hulu, hbo, etc. i'm sure most network tv is still poo poo

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

EvilJoven posted:

The only good TV is expensive TV that either costs a loving fortune to get through a Cable provider or telco in a format that allows you to watch when you want rather than having to schedule your life around it, or is more easily aquired through non traditional means like Netflix, or piracy.


yeah, but thats still a lot of tv, and what you call "non traditional means" is now a mainstream means of watching tv for basically everyone under 50 and a good portion of people over.

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

if they aged the characters it would be a completely different kind of show. the show was at its best when the world basically reset at the end of every episode. they should have just ended it with the movie. or earlier.

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Drink-Mix Man posted:

I don't really give a poo poo about the continuity of a cartoon about yellow people who break into musical numbers, go into space, and spontaneously re-enact scenes from famous movies. Just make it funny and you can re-tell the backstory or do whatever you want. Who watches The Simpsons for a story arc?

I think part of the writers' concern is not so much "story arc" but trying to keep up with the reference points of their audience as their audience has shifted. when the show first came out, I was a slightly older than Bart, my parents were roughly the same age as Homer and Marge and were hippies in the 60's, my grandfather the same age as Grandpa and served in WW2, etc. - but the show still tries to target a teen/college audience which means people who were like 2 years old when 9/11 happened. So I get that they are trying to keep up in that respect, because the show has always had all sorts of culture references. But it seems like thats all they focus on now, which is stupid because most of classic bits people like from the old days were not the pop culture references, they were character based. Some of the movie parody moments and cameos etc were funny at the time but thats not what is memorable about the good days of the show.

Earwicker fucked around with this message at 22:25 on May 19, 2017

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

khwarezm posted:

Regardless of their middle of the road preachiness my problem with South Park is that its just never been that funny or clever.

the original web video that started the whole thing, with santa fighting jesus, was funny at that time, in the context of the internet of that period, when there were not a million other easily accessible funnier videos to compare it to

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Justin Godscock posted:

All I have to say is somehow, someway Fox kept this show running for 30 years and even the voice actors are in it for the money holding the show up under the guise of "artistic credibility".

that doesn't really make sense to me. those voice actors have to have a LOT of money at this point, and even if they stopped working today they'd still get a bunch of income in royalties and basically they could easily live very very comfortably without ever having to go into work again if they wanted to

I don't believe it's "artistic credibility" either because the show hasnt had any in over a decade, but maybe they are bound by some satanic contract or something

Earwicker fucked around with this message at 13:53 on May 25, 2017

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Guy Mann posted:

Seriously, why is Simpsons porn is so prolific on the internet?

is someone actually asking this in 2017?

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

pram posted:

the episode that most strongly signaled to me the simpsons was done was the 'paint your wagon' episode. i stopped watching it after that. its not as bad as the newer stuff in retrospect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM5-xFenaZI

it's an interesting point because I agree this is terrible but it's also got nothing to do with all the "pandering to millenials/contemporary culture" poo poo that is truly horrible and takes up most of this thread. like only baby boomers and a few odd gen x'rs would get the joke about Paint Your Wagon, I only know about it because my dad made me watch it once (it's really bad)

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Calaveron posted:

The entire joke for Hank Scorpio was that he was a Bond villain who genuinely liked and appreciated Homer and that wouldn't have worked in the movie

also he was a major character in one specific episode and IIRC never seen again

that doesn't really apply to Wolfcastle though he's a regular side character who shows up in a ton of episodes

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Aesop Poprock posted:

so they probably had us beat honestly

its not like SA and reddit are distinct, separate groups of people. probably plenty of nerds post the same poo poo on both sites as well as in various Simpsons FB groups etc

especially since capturing funny freeze frames was a thing before any of these sites existed. some of this poo poo has been floating around since usenet days and probably comes from that first huge pre-wikipedia Simpsons archive site

Drink-Mix Man posted:

I wonder if it's even possible to get a good ridiculous non-contextual funny-face screen shot from the show any more.

I don't think they really even make facial expressions anymore

Earwicker fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Jul 20, 2017

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

gil was always a one note character, in early episodes he was basically just there to be a reference to Jack Lemmon in GlenGary GlenRoss, I don't remember him ever being a real character

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

PostNouveau posted:

A lot of the supporting cast are ripoffs of something.

I wouldn't call him a "ripoff" so much as a very concise parody, I'm just pointing out that he was never a major plot driver or anything, at least not in the early days, he'd just show up for a line or two and that was it

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

PostNouveau posted:

He's sometimes the Simpsons' lawyer and there was that Christmas episode that centered around him.

I guess I stopped watching before that point I don't remember any episode centered around him

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

PostNouveau posted:

No, I'm not.

He's the focus of "Kill Gill Vol. 1 & 2" which was a Christmas episode about how the Simpsons take him in out of pity and then he takes advantage of them for a whole year. It was pretty good.

oh lol this is some season 18 poo poo no wonder I was confused

yeah I was thinking of the actual early days, Gil was never the focus of anything and I don' remember him being the Simpsons lawyer either, he'd just show up for a bit in a bar or salesroom every once in a while

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Tree Goat posted:

ty, it is my hope that my scholarship will put the matter of simpsons chronology to rest.

i hope someone finds a way to put the simpsons to rest

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Code Jockey posted:

Well, at the time this was the appeal to me, it was just so weird and gross and we didn't have the internet back then to fulfill our weird and gross quota, sooo

yeah exactly in terms of mainstream American kids cartoons there was nothing at all like it and that was a big part of the appeal, like "I cant believe they allow stuff this gross on tv"

Cyril Sneer posted:

Uggh Doug was awful. It pretty much marked the end of wacky-zany cartoons and the start of the characters-deal-with-real-teen-issues plague.

no not at all. Peanuts dealt with exactly the same "real issues" as Doug and was even mopier about it

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Phlegmish posted:

At this point our only hope of the Simpsons ending is if the main voice actors die, probably of natural causes

there is already technology where you can record someone's voice, then type out a sentence on a computer, and essentially recreate that person's voice synthetically and make them "say" whatever you type. the tech is still in its early days and kind of buggy but its good enough that they will probably have it sorted by the time the main voice actors die.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3l4XLZ59iw

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

that video a page or two ago by the weird irish kid really nailed it

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Lumpy the Cook posted:

I quit watching after the first word he uttered revealed his low-t Virgin Voice

uh i think he was literally just a kid

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

evilmiera posted:

I mean if we're looking for a lowest point I don't think we should be looking at it like an arc or valley or whatever, most shows just hit a very terrible set of seasons and decide to end it before they piss away all goodwill. Aside from GoT who just got lucky in that they ran out of material but still had an idea of how everything was going to end in a season or two anyway.

the lowest point is right now. both in terms of average ratings and in terms of the fact that they are still making the show and p much every new episode that comes out is by definition the new low point

if you are looking for the point where things went wrong, I agree with the common thesis that it's that infamous Skinner episode, that's when they started loving with characters in a way that kind of broke what makes the show work

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

VJeff posted:

I don't hate the Skinner episode because it still has some funny jokes and it's pretty aware of how absurd the entire concept is.

Like, looking at it as a point where things start going downhill is fine but I think the episode itself is still okay.

yeah the episode itself is not bad, but thats the start of when they decided they could completely erase what they'd previously established as characters, which is how they ended up with poo poo like Homer becoming an rear end in a top hat who grew up in the 90's, doesn't give a poo poo about his family etc

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

khwarezm posted:

Well a lot of that was deleted scenes and original Tracey Ullman shorts, so stuff viewers typically don't see from aired episodes. In fact they wouldn't have been available at all up until the era of DVD extras (and even still, I can't think of anywhere to find the original Tracey Ullman shorts).

they used to frequently run old Tracy Ullman episodes on Nickelodeon or Comedy Central or one of those cable channels back around that time

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

yeah exactly, they probably all signed a contract that allows Fox to keep their death a secret from the public while they just go on using synthesized speech versions, meanwhile no longer having to pay salary or royalties

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Jose posted:

it was the clips in the op

nah. those are bad, but they will find a way to get worse. the lowest point is always right now.

(while this is a guess based on clips and I haven't actually watched an entire new simpsons episode in years, I doubt anyone can prove me wrong)

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Sentient Data posted:

Rule of thumb: if an episode of anything advertises that it's guest-starring someone, it's bad

the Danny DeVito episode was Good

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

sweet geek swag posted:

Bart dating girls would make sense if they had aged the characters, but they didn't so it doesn't.

yeah they did the opposite and made up some weird poo poo about homer and marge growing up in the 90's

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

I watched like 5 mins of the latest episode out of curiosity and the whole thing takes place in the middle ages and was basically just a series of jokes whose punchline was "hey remember when this happened on game of thrones?"

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Drunken Baker posted:

And we have Poe's Law in effect again because gently caress knows if this is real or not.

i was compelled to look it up and it is real

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

cape feare is definitely one of the best episodes and the mr thompson scene is one of the best gags in the whole show imo

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Quote-Unquote posted:

The best family guy is about on par with early bad Simpsons, like season 12-13 bad.

The worst family guy is better than the worst Simpsons.

The best Simpsons (like season 2-8) is literally a billion times better than the best family guy.

this is correct. however i still very occasionally watch recent terriible simpsons if i'm bored. i never watch family guy for any reason

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

sweetmercifulcrap posted:

In other words, whoever wrote it probably didn't even watch the original episode and just read a synopsis.

I doubt even that. they obviously dont care about continuity and havent for a while. i mean after retconing marge and homer to have met in the 90's all bets were off

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Justin Godscock posted:

I really think we are going to see the cancellation of The Simpsons in the next few years with the Disney purchase.

I think this is likely but its equally likely that they attempt to reboot it somehow. there are probably still warehouses full of simpsons merch crap that people have stopped buying and if they can renew interest in the show especially as some sort of retro thing, they can move that poo poo and then make more

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

the melissa mcarthy spicer thing was funny. the alec baldwin trump is not very good

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Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

the last good thing alec baldwin did was the speech at the top of glengarry glenross

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