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Minera
Sep 26, 2007

All your friends and foes,
they thought they knew ya,
but look who's in your heart now.

AweStriker posted:

I actually prefer this game to The Thousand-Year Door. The latter has a few glaring problems with "this feels like it should be in a game that's not this one".

As far as M&L I've only played the first one (was good) and most of Partners, which had too many bad and required mini games that hindered my ability to enjoy it.

My only complaint with TTYD was the stupid tree with the little gray things

Also this Paper Mario has a much better ice world

Minera fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Feb 13, 2017

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Rabbi Raccoon
Mar 31, 2009

I stabbed you dude!
I wanted to play The Thousand-Year Door but I never got a GameCube because that was when Nintendo was doing their "new console means more buttons" phase

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
The Thousand-Year Door is super good. Paper Mario is also super good but a bit less so as it feels kinda unpolished in comparison.

Expect My Mom
Nov 18, 2013

by Smythe


I love these party member panels so much and TTYD. Everything about em is super cute.


Paper Mario 64 is a hard game to recommend now just for how slow it is and how TTYD did nearly everything better, but 64 has a lot of innocent N64 charm that I love a lot.

hopeandjoy
Nov 28, 2014



Rabbi Raccoon posted:

I wanted to play The Thousand-Year Door but I never got a GameCube because that was when Nintendo was doing their "new console means more buttons" phase

The GameCube controller has less buttons than the Xbox or Dualshock2 controllers though? By, like 2, but still.

Bufuman
Jun 15, 2013

Sleep in the briefing room.
At your own peril.
I enjoyed the crap out of Superstar Saga, despite my sense of timing being utter garbage. It's just so delightfully goofy that it's almost impossible to hate.

Never played PiT though because the concept sounded incredibly stupid to me. Meeting your baby selves is weird enough, but bringing them to and USING them in combat? That's just too much for me.

I suppose I could give BIS a try someday though. I think my little brother had a copy of that poo poo he left in my home. I should go poke around his old room.

Ablative
Nov 9, 2012

Someone is getting this as an avatar. I don't know who, but it's gonna happen.

hopeandjoy posted:

The GameCube controller has less buttons than the Xbox or Dualshock2 controllers though? By, like 2, but still.

Four, if we count L3 and R3. Although one could make a case for the triggers on the GC controller also being buttons.

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.


Goomba Village



Take care now!



There's no reason to take a nap at full health, unless you really want to.

So, Goombario. Each partner has a special field ability. Most involve interacting with the environment to solve puzzles. Goombario is the exception, however.



Goombario gives information about our current location. This text is different for every single "screen" we're in. Most of it is quite interesting.

For this reason, I'm going to introduce the Tattle tag. When you see this, you'll know this is Goombario's Tattle text. So for this screen...

This is Goomba Village. My family lives here. There's also a Toad House, which, as you probably know, is a good place to take a rest. That big tree near my house is a great place to get Goomnuts.

So text for every location is pretty crazy, right? Well, it's about to get crazier.



That's right. Not only is there flavor text for every screen in the game, there's flavor text for every single NPC. Yep!


He's a regular Toad. He was sent here from Princess Peach's Castle. He's the manager of this Toad House.



If you hack her in with cheat codes, there's limited functionality for Goombaria to be a party member in the game, though she crashes battles and has no field abilities. Guess they figured one Goomba was enough.


She's my sister, Goombaria. She's a spoiled girl, but still, everyone's always nice to her. Why?

Let's catch up with the Goomba family before we go.



Oh, my little baby! I can't believe you're going out into the world with Mario! Now you listen! You be a good boy, you hear! Don't cause Mario any trouble!
I know, Mom, sheesh. I'll be good.



Don't brag about all the things Goompa taught you as if you already knew them!! And remember... And...
Urgh... Mom always nags me...
Now hush! Mario, please take good care of my sweet little Goombario.


She's my mom, Goomama. She sometimes gets on my nerves when she worries too much about me, but I still love her lots. Don't tell her what I just said! Seriously, Mario! Promise me!



I'll make you proud, Dad, I swear it! Just wait!
Do your best, son. You've grown into a strong boy. I know you'll be a great help. It's a good thing you've spent so much time training, huh? Now do your old Goompapa proud!

And if we talk to Goompapa again...




He's my dad, Goompapa. He's willing to do anything for us. We can always count on him. He doesn't really look lile it, though. But did you see him fixing stuff after that earthquake? That's when I knew he was cool.



Take care, Goombario. You're already one fine Goomba!


She's my grandma, Gooma. I hope she lives forever! She's the greatest! When she starts telling old stories, she always says, "When I was young, I was very popular with the boys."




He's my grandpa, Goompa. He knows oodles of stuff. Ever since I was a kid, he's been telling me fantastic stories of his youth.



So in that giant mess of tattle information, you may have heard something about a Tree and Goomnuts.



Goombario's tattles aren't purely flavor text. There can be some useful hints as well.



According to Goombaria, this is where you landed. Something about this clearing feels weird. I can't really say exactly what, though...

Before we go forth, let's backtrack a bit for more tattle goodness.



These are the woods behind my house. Careful! There are many bad Goombas around here. Sorry... I'm sure that you can probably take care of yourself, huh?

This first section is where we met the three Goomba types. Let's jump into battle and see how Goombario works, shall we?

Battle Fanfare



Hey Mario, during a battle, you can change the order we attack in with (Z). I can attack first if you want. I don't mind at all! Just keep it in mind, OK?



Each round of combat, both Mario and his partner will act before all enemies act, and back and forth like that. As Goombario said, Mario and his partner can act in either order.



Partners are more limited in combat. They do not have HP, so in the rare case that an attack hits a partner, they're simply out for a set number of rounds until they can fight again. They can't use Items either and have their own distinct attacks.



Headbonk is Goombario's base attack and functions identically to Mario's Jump, including damage from headbonking spiked enemies. Tattle is this game's Libra spell, giving you basic stats, hints, and general flavor text for each enemy.



When Goombario tattles, we get a close up and a bunch of text.

Here's how I'll handle the layout for each enemy.


This is a Goomba. Goombas are what you'd call "small fries." Actually, they're pretty much the smallest fries. ...Hey, wait! I'm one of 'em! You can jump on them or whack 'em with the Hammer. These guys are old school. They've been around since you were in Super Mario Bros.!



Once you Tattle an enemy, from that point forward you'll get an HP bar every time you encounter that enemy. Thus it's very beneficial to Tattle on every new enemy you meet, as well as bosses since Tattle also works on almost if not every boss in the game.

Let's go check out the previous two screens before examining the next two Goombas.



These are the woods behind my house. Until a little while ago, Goombaria and I used to play hide-and-seek here... But there have been a lot of evil Goombas and Paragoombas spotted in the area, so Mom doesn't let us play anymore.



I think this is Jr. Troopa's secret base. That crazy kid! Whenever I try to explore in there, he freaks out. He needs to chill.

Back to enemies!


This is a Spiked Goomba. Spiked Goombas are Goombas with spikes on their heads. Whatever you do, don't jump on their spikes or you'll get hurt or even paralyzed!


This is a Paragoomba. Obviously, Paragoombas are Goombas with wings. You can't hit 'em with the Hammer while they're airborne. If you damage 'em, they'll fall to the ground and become ordinary Goombas.

As I said, Goombario knows a freaking lot.



He's also quite adept at headbonking.



I also forget to equip my badge, so let's do that now.





I have a feeling your road will be lined with difficulties, so try not to overdo it. Be watchful, yet stay cool. A calm mind is the wisest.

March Ahead



There're lots of bad Goombas around these parts.

The next few screens are pretty linear and don't have any new enemies.



Though the signs are kinda rude.



Otherwise, it's a few blocks and Goombas to stomp to move onward.



Did you know...there are good Goombas and bad Goombas? A bad Goomba will try to pick a fight with us the second it spots us.

Nintendo games really don't muck around with questions of morality.





Red Question Blocks hold badges. This handy badge costs 1BP and lets Mario dodge attacks when in Danger, where Danger means being at 5HP or less. There's actually a good number of badges that are effective when Mario is in Danger, making "Danger Mario" a valid if risky battle strategy.





Also, free mushroom!



Mario was a bit low from fights, so might as well enjoy the freebie!



Of course, later on in the screen is this block.



Look, Mario! There's a Save Block. Might be a good idea to use it, don't you think?

Hmmm, I wonder what he's implying?

Goomba Bros.' Theme





It's a direct order from the Goomba King. That's right! I'm sorry, but the only way by is through the Goomba Bros. That's me, Red Goomba, and my brother, Blue Goomba.



Oh yeah! Let's do it, my red brother!

Event Battle



And so the mini-boss music plays. Enjoy!



I made this GIF to point out the clouds in the top-right corner. It's a nice little detail, I feel.

On to Tattling!


This is Blue Goomba. He's the younger of the two notorious Goomba Bros. As you heard in his little speech, he's one of the Goomba King's men. He doesn't look that healthy. He's weaker than his brother.



This is a good battle to try out Power Jump!



It's the same as a regular jump, except Mario gets a shadow effect and deals 3 damage instead of one. Two of these will take out Blue Goomba with ease.





The Goomba Bros. both only use headbonks. Nothing Mario can't handle.


This is Red Goomba. He's the older of the two notorious Goomba Bros. The Goomba King ordered him to try to stop you. You can take this guy, no prob. He has just a little more HP than an ordinary Goomba.



With Power Jump, Blue is no threat.





Red gets upset but doesn't get a boost or anything.





Between Mario and Goombario, taking Red down's a bit slow but still really easy.



Yet rewarding nonetheless.





I love Mario's thumbs-up every time he wallops an enemy until they cry.

March Ahead



Can't hurt to heal up before we go forward. We're actually not too far from this section's big boss battle!



If we go east a bit further, we'll find a bridge. Once we cross it, we'll be a hop, skip, and a jump away from Toad Town.





How devious.

Level Up



After beating those Goombas up, Mario hits 100 Star Points and gains a level! First, Mario recovers all HP and FP while we listen to a variation of SMB3's World 1 Overworld theme.

Each Level Up gives you the choice of boosting either HP, FP, or BP. Generally you want to focus on Badge Points because they give you the coolest options, plus there's badges that boost HP and FP anyway (each costs 3 BP and boosts their stat by 5 so you're effectively trading the BP level up temporarily for an HP/FP one). Still, I go with FP since it'll be a bit before we get a good variety of badges, and more FP will let us actually use those cool flashy moves our new badges will give us.



Next up is the end of the road.

Weeping Goombas





Mario beat us up!





I'm pretty sure there used to be a bridge on the other side. I wonder what happened to it.



The Goomba King's Theme



Unfortunately, this is as far as you'll ever get. Because I, the great and powerful King Goomba, will see to it that you advance no farther!
You hear that, Mario! No farther! Not one step! Are you scared, little man?
Bah ha ha!!! Yeah, you're scared, all right. You wanna say you're sorry?



I'm sure he's no match for you, though, Mario! Let's get him!



Goomba King Battle





This is the boss battle of this "Chapter". These usually are the biggest challenges and have their own music. This one still isn't too bad, though.



We've got your back!





They must be pretty weak since we just finished beating them up back there.



Red and Blue start at a measly 2HP each. However, there's also an additional, easy-to-miss target right next to the Goomba King.


This is a Goomnut Tree. Spiky Goomnuts will fall down if you hit this tree. They'll definitely hurt if they hit us, but it may be worth it to use them against the enemy.

Sounds like a plan to me!





How handy!



Meanwhile, the Goomba King on the offensive.


This is the Goomba King. He's really big. I mean, look at him! He looks really powerful. He's the boss of Red Goomba and Blue Goomba. Who cares if he's strong? You're much stronger. Gee, I wonder what he ate to become so big? I'd like to be a bit bigger, too.



With Power Jump, the Goomba King is easy to wear down.



Goomba King is the first enemy to have more than one attack, this one hurtling Goomnuts down on Mario for decent damage.



It's too little, too late though since one more round is enough to do the king in.



And what a kingly reward!





Yeah! I knew we could do it! Cooool!! Victory!!



And that's that! Now we get full control and can do a few things. First, this area's tattle.

I think there was a bridge between Toad Town and Goomba Village. If we head east, we'll get to Toad Town. If we head west, we'll come to my house in Goomba Village.

Guess we should start trying to find that bridge, huh?



Not in this tree!

If we try to enter the fort...



Of course, King Goomba! I hid it in the grass outside the fortress.
Outside the... You idiot! You didn't hide it in here? Mario will find it for sure!
Oh! Do you think? You know...you might be right.
King Goomba, maybe we ought to try to trick Mario before he tries to...





Uhh... Might be a big late there, folks.



If you happen to find a strange switch somewhere, you should definitely not press it. It's dangerous. Understand?











The castle proceeds to fall apart.



And with it goes the Goomba King.

At least we unlocked the bridge!







And on we go!

Until next time!

Kammy Koopa's Theme





Mega64 fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Feb 14, 2017

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.

Bufuman posted:

I enjoyed the crap out of Superstar Saga, despite my sense of timing being utter garbage. It's just so delightfully goofy that it's almost impossible to hate.

Never played PiT though because the concept sounded incredibly stupid to me. Meeting your baby selves is weird enough, but bringing them to and USING them in combat? That's just too much for me.

I suppose I could give BIS a try someday though. I think my little brother had a copy of that poo poo he left in my home. I should go poke around his old room.

PiT is fine; the babies aren't bad.

It's just worse than SSS in pretty much every way, from plot to music to gameplay to linearity to...

It's still fun, but it's nowhere near as good as its predecessor or sequel (BIS is really loving good, go play it, it's more of a sequel to SSS than the actual sequel.)

E: I really like the goomba king. He's goofy.

Jen X fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Feb 13, 2017

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.
The babies aren't the reason that PiT isn't good. It's just not fun. Oh, and the NA version was very unbalanced and was a slog to play.

Leveling BP is pretty much the way to go in the Paper Mario games. I never realized how powerful badges were, and always leveled up HP, FP, and BP in that order instead of focusing on BP.

Expect My Mom
Nov 18, 2013

by Smythe
Partners in Time is garbage because the US version doubled the HP for all the bosses and maybe all the enemies too, with no other changes so it's just.....super boring. Boss fights go on forever and your big attacks are consumables and not spell equivalents. The game's not good and it's def the worst M&L game since Dream Team and Paper Jam were like, pretty alright from what I hear I haven't played those yet.

I plan to play Partners in Time sometime after I beat my current TTYD playthrough cause I'm dumb.

Also thank you for including the tattle dialogue Mega, so many NPCs have names and just dumb flavor text, it's all great

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

Bufuman posted:

I enjoyed the crap out of Superstar Saga, despite my sense of timing being utter garbage. It's just so delightfully goofy that it's almost impossible to hate.

Never played PiT though because the concept sounded incredibly stupid to me. Meeting your baby selves is weird enough, but bringing them to and USING them in combat? That's just too much for me.

I suppose I could give BIS a try someday though. I think my little brother had a copy of that poo poo he left in my home. I should go poke around his old room.

partner in time is, sadly, not really up to the par of the games it's between

oh dang new update, goomba king owns, that is all

ZeeToo
Feb 20, 2008

I'm a kitty!

AweStriker posted:

I actually prefer this game to The Thousand-Year Door. The latter has a few glaring problems with "this feels like it should be in a game that's not this one".

As far as M&L I've only played the first one (was good) and most of Partners, which had too many bad and required mini games that hindered my ability to enjoy it.

I'm with you on the Paper Mario games. This one is just about perfect. TTYD has so many things that just smell of wasting your time for the purpose of wasting your time. I also liked Mario being the only one with HP rather than tanking partners.

As far as M&L games go, I am absolutely completely behind Superstar Saga being great fun. I couldn't get into the rest of the series, though. All of them have combat that basically ends up being just minigames, instead of anything strategic. On your turn, pick a minigame to attack with! On the enemy turn, they pick a minigame you have to do! A basic timing thing to keep the tempo up and keep me engaged, great. Enemies with ten-second attack patterns that let me do a lot of counter-attack damage if I do them perfectly, not so much.

EponymousMrYar
Jan 4, 2015

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy.
I prefer TTYD because as Mega has said, it takes awhile for the combat to really get going in this game which kind of kills it's replayability.

Compared to the next game where they can assume you know about Timed Hits.

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

EponymousMrYar posted:

I prefer TTYD because as Mega has said, it takes awhile for the combat to really get going in this game which kind of kills it's replayability.

Compared to the next game where they can assume you know about Timed Hits.

For some reason, only Paper Mario is like that. All other Mario RPGs, even Super Mario RPG, let you use timed hits from the get-go.

Wittgen
Oct 13, 2012

We have decided to decline your offer of a butt kicking.
I beat Paper Mario a couple weeks ago, and I'm playing through TTYD now. Paper Mario is great, but TTYD is better in just about every respect. The writing pops. Combat gets interesting much more quickly. The scenarios for each chapter are much more creative and fun. The companions have more personality. There's no BP cap.

AweStriker
Oct 6, 2014

Minrad posted:

My only complaint with TTYD was the stupid tree with the little gray things

This is the prime example of what I was talking about, yes.

...well, that and the partner you get in that chapter.

Arcade Rabbit
Nov 11, 2013

I wish there were more stage hazards in this game. Each boss is fun and varied in its own way, but I can't really think of any others that have something like the Goomnut Tree. TTYD is somewhat better about this, but still isn't quite what I'm talking about. Still, I'm happy that even an otherwise nothing, write-off prologue boss like the King can get his own little memorable gimmick.

Pixeltendo
Mar 2, 2012




For some reason during this point whenever the Red Goomba talks it's the Goomba King who speeds up in it's talking animation.

Also speaking of the Goomba King,, this guy gets the award of appearing in not one but two other game titles! Super Mario 64 DS as a boss under the name Goomboss and Mario Kart DS as one of the special mission modes bosses.

Rabbi Raccoon
Mar 31, 2009

I stabbed you dude!
Oh hey go me! Apparently my friend has a Game Cube and a copy of The Thousand Year Door and I'm off until Thursday!

Alacron
Feb 15, 2007

-->Have tearful reunion with your son
-->Eh
Fun Shoe

Pixeltendo posted:



For some reason during this point whenever the Red Goomba talks it's the Goomba King who speeds up in it's talking animation.

I'm pretty sure that's Goomba King talking, and he's asking Red Goomba if he hid the switch.

Judge Tesla
Oct 29, 2011

:frogsiren:
Goombario has more dialogue by himself than every NPC in the game combined, its nuts how much he has to say and I bet most people only used tattle a few times.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry

Arcade Rabbit posted:

I wish there were more stage hazards in this game. Each boss is fun and varied in its own way, but I can't really think of any others that have something like the Goomnut Tree. TTYD is somewhat better about this, but still isn't quite what I'm talking about. Still, I'm happy that even an otherwise nothing, write-off prologue boss like the King can get his own little memorable gimmick.

Yeah, the stage hazards in TTYD have kind of the same unique feel as the Goomnut Tree here. But it's not quite the same as poking around the background looking for tabs to pull during boss fights.

Kheldarn
Feb 17, 2011



Because of Tattle, I always used Goombario as my partner. Lil' dude's basically a walking, fighting strategy guide.


Mega64 posted:

Don't board about all the things Goompa taught you as if you already knew them!! And remember... And...

Ummm... I think that might be brag?


Mega64 posted:

Hey Mario, during a battle, you can change the order we attack in with (Z). I can attach first if you want.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




The biggest improvement TTYD has over this game is that partners actually have a health bar too.

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.

Kheldarn posted:

Because of Tattle, I always used Goombario as my partner. Lil' dude's basically a walking, fighting strategy guide.


Ummm... I think that might be brag?

Fixed, thanks!

Carlosologist
Oct 13, 2013

Revelry in the Dark

I've longed for a proper sequel to TTYD. Super Paper Mario was really good, but it just wasn't as good, sadly. And it seems like we're never gonna get it

I like the original Paper Mario a lot, will be following this LP intently

vdate
Oct 25, 2010
Looks like King Goomba's blasting off again!

Loving the LP so far. I'm eager to see the rest of it; I loved the hell out of Thousand Year Door but never had the console (or the cart) to play the original Paper Mario.

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.




Bowser's Theme



A report, Your Evilness: Mario defeated the Goomba King. He's heading for Toad Town now.



I used the Star Rod to make him a king because he begged me... And Mario whips him so easily? What a wimp!!



Please, please, Your Vileness! Try to be calm. Goomba King is small-time. I had a feeling he'd fail. It doesn't matter, because while you hold the Star Rod you are definitely invincible. You could beat Mario with one claw tied behind your back.





Please, don't worry yourself. Each is held separately. And each is carefully guarded by your handpicked subjects. Even Mario can't save all seven of the Star Spirits.
Hmmm...

Yeah, it would be really crazy if Mario travelled to each area holding a Star Spirit, defeated each guardian there, rescued all seven of them, and managed to use their powers to find a way to counter the effects of the Star Rod. Good thing that definitely won't happen during the course of this game, right?

Hey, it's about the journey, not the destination.



If Mario somehow reaches there, can the Koopa Bros. defeat him?





Koopa Bros.' Theme







You may notice a slight resemblance to four other shelled creatures styled after ninjas. I'm sure this was completely unintentional.



That Goomba King was gigantic,, and even he couldn't beat Mario.



Yeah, the Goomba King was huge, but he was a total wimpola! We're nothing like him! See, what we've got going on is the power of teamwork... Together, we can put the hurt on Mario in seconds flat!
Excellent! That's the spirit! Sell it, Koopa Bros.!! Show our king that special attack you do so well!
Yes, ma'am!





That... This is... Ohhhhh!!!!





Mario won't have a chance if you finish him with that attack!
We'll take him, King Bowser!
By the way, my Koopa Bros....



...Uh...nobody, sir... You know, we're here and so...





-----

March Ahead



Ah, the outskirts of Toad Town. To the east is Toad Town. If we go west, we'll reach my hometown, Goomba Village.

Meanwhile, Mario is just one screen away from finally reaching Toad Town.



This question block has a new item, the Sleepy Sheep. It does what it says it does. Handy for facing a large number of enemies, especially early on when group attacks are still limited.



Near the end is a tree holding a giant spring. A simple hammer pound will knock it loose, leading you to...



...the Hammer Throw badge. This takes 2BP and lets you spend FP to attack flying and back-row enemies with the hammer. It's not really that useful right now since you won't be facing anything that both flies and has spikes for a long time, and by that time there will be other, more useful badges and items to counter them.

That's it, so it's time to finally arrive at Toad Town.

Toad Town



This is the west entrance to Toad Town. In case you couldn't tell, it's the main gate. The fancy gate and the star emblem on the ground are symbols of this fair town. Goomba Village, where my house is, is a brief journey west from here. You'll find a very smart Toad named Russ T. living in this town. He knows lots of useful information for adventurers. You'll also find shops that sell various items. Oh yeah! There's also a Dojo.

Toad Town is the central hub of this game. There are other towns, of course, but you'll be coming back here a lot to go to whichever new place you need to go to next.

There's also a lot to this place. Goombario has only explained the stuff in this screen, there's more to the town but for this update we'll only be checking out the west side of town.



The town is in an uproar! The princess kidnapped! The very castle uprooted! It's bedlam! I really don't know what we can do about all this...



As soon as we come in, this Toad runs up to us and starts proclaiming how doomed everyone is. Alright, then.

This Toad is always standing in front of the gate. Is it his job, maybe? He looks as if he's asleep on his feet, but he actually knows quite a bit about the town.

Again, this is where I remind you that Goombario has unique dialogue for every single NPC in the game, and there sure are a lot of them just in Toad Town.



But before we continue, we should probably check in at our place first.

Whistlin' Luigi



I wonder what my brother Mario is doing right now...





And you're all right! After all that castle craziness, I was really worried about you. I ran outside just as the earthquake started, so I managed to escape in time.





Oh? And who are you?
I'm Goombario. Nice to meet you!



See, someone has to look after this house, so I can't leave. Oh well. Take care of Mario, OK?

This is Luigi's excuse for not joining us. As the game progresses, he'll be killing time doing various activities around here. At least he's actually in the game this time, unlike SMRPG.

Honestly, it's not until Superstar Saga and this game's sequel that Luigi really shines. More on that when I hopefully cover the sequel, though.

Anyway, let's get the Tattle for this area.

It's your house! Cool! Nice landscaping! I like my house, but yours is even nicer. Did you do the decorating yourself?



He's Luigi. I don't have to say anything about him, do I? He's your brother!



There isn't much to do at the Mario house. You can look at some stats, though some are currently hidden as we haven't unlocked everything yet. You can see we've got a lot of badges and star pieces to collect, though!



Otherwise, we can read old letters and rest. That's it for now, let's go back and check out Toad Town.

Toad Town



No castle! Horrors! Only a hole remains! Our beloved castle! Where is it? Spread the word! Outrage!

This Toad is always very excited about whatever news he has. He's a little crazy. Even so, it's a good idea to listen to him. He may be a little excitable, but he always has news.



Everyone in town is suffering, and yet my heart cares for nothing but you, my sweet. Does that make me wicked?
My heart is the same, my love. It cares for you, none other.



As you may expect, some of the regular text is great as well.


This Toad claims that he and his girl are in love. But just the other day, he told me he liked a different girl! What a cad!


Those Toads are in love. They're so in love, they don't even notice what's going on. Unless you like seeing public displays of affection, I wouldn't talk to them. They're shameless.



When you can't carry any more items, it's a good idea to go to a shop like this and ask them to hold items for you. You can even claim the items at any other shop. Pretty convenient, huh?

This Toad always stands in front of the shop. He knows all about items. He never moves, as far as I can tell. Maybe he's trying to get a tan.

You have a hard inventory limit, but you can store your items at shops and withdraw them later. Or more likely, store them and then leave them there for the rest of the game. Really, you should try more to use the items you have.



The Degree, Mario. The Degree shows how strong you are. Ha ha ha... I have it. I fought at the Dojo over there and got it from The Master. I am one bad Toad!

This Toad has tried his skills at the Dojo. That takes guts... Someday I'm gonna try it all by myself.



You can go home through that pipe in front of the main gate over there. You can enter the pipe by standing on the edge and pushing down on the Control Stick. Say, why don't you give me a tour of your house someday?

He doesn't seem to have any particular reason to be at the Dojo. He's not fighting. He just loiters around, checking out the fighters. Maybe he just likes watching tough guys. I bet he'll cheer for us if we challenge The Master.



Over here are two more creatures blocking the entrance to the Dojo. We won't be fighting here for awhile.



Our Master was a strong man. He is going to come back a very, very strong man. We will wait here, right here, until our Master returns. Waiting is part of our training.

He's one of the trainees who's always at the Dojo. His name is Lee. He's like an older brother to Chan. Lee respects The Master above all else and hangs on every word he says.



Unless our Master isn't here, in which case the Dojo's closed. A letter just arrived saying The Master will return soon. We will train again soon!

That's Chan. He's one of the trainees who seem to always be at the Dojo. He worships The Master. I mean, it's all well and good for Chan to admire The Master, but I prefer Mario!

Named after Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan. They did the same thing with the Hitmon's in Pokemon.



We'll loop clockwise, talking to this trio and then entering each building before we end the update.



How could such a thing happen? What... What'll become of Princess Peach and the others who were in the castle?




She is the oldest of these three Toad sisters. Apparently they call themselves the "Three Beautiful Sisters." I personally don't think they're that attractive, but I guess for Toads, they are. Goombas and Toads think about beauty in different ways, I guess. What do you think, Mario?

Feel free to debate the merits of viewing Toad beauty through a Goomba's perspective.


She is the second oldest of these three Toad sisters. Apparently they call themselves the "Three Beautiful Sisters." She obviously works pretty hard with makeup to look gorgeous. I guess... kind of cute... What do you think, Mario?


She is the youngest of these three Toad sisters. Apparently they call themselves the "Three Beautiful Sisters." She says she's cute. I definitely think she's the cutest of the three.

At least we know Goombario's power rankings of Toad Sister Cuteness. Though next update we'll learn what Goombario's type really is.



This will have to wait until much, much later.



Which is a shame, because this Star Piece will be taunting us for a long time.



In here is a regular Toad family.



She's the homemaker here. She's ordinarily very relaxed and easygoing. Since her lazy husband is home, she's working harder than ever right now. The housework piles up every day, but somehow she manages it all with no help. Where does she get the energy?



Everything was shaking... the ground... the houses... I fell right over! It was so horrifying... that I'd just like to forget it ever happened.

This family man ordinarily works at Peach's Castle. He was on his day off when the castle disappeared. Talk about your basic lucky coincidence! Wow! He's a very reliable worker at the castle... but he never does chores around the house.



But now the castle's gone, so he's at home. When I said I'm glad 'cause Dad's at home, I got scolded. ...What's up with that?

He's one of the Toad kids. He likes his father so much that he always tries to sneak into the castle. He's about the same age as I am. We sometimes play together when I come to Toad Town. I guess he's a pretty good friend of mine.



But...Mom told me I had to be a good boy and stay home. How come?

He's a Toad kid who wants to be really powerful. He thinks that having power solves everything. His way of thinking is a little bit different from mine. He's a good enough guy, though, when we play together.

Ah, nothing like debating your philosophical differences to bring two playmates closer together.



Up to the north end is a pretty helpful guy.

Russ T.'s Theme



The music changes dynamically when you visit different areas of Toad Town.



Of course I know who you are. I'm the wise Toad, Russ T. Pleasure meeting you. As you can probably tell, I love books and read all the time. Because I'm so well read, I know all sorts of interesting facts. Whenever you visit with me, I'll be happy to share all of my knowledge with you.

He's Russ T. Everyone says he's the smartest Toad around. He's always happy to share his vast knowledge with people. He's filled me in on things plenty of times. He knows a lot of things I can only guess at.

This guy will spout out random facts and hints when you talk to him. Here's one for now.



So it is told that far away, at the very top of the sky, there exists a Star Haven, where Stars make their home. In Star Haven, there's a treasure called a Star Rod. According to legend, it was made with ancient magic. There are said to be Stars that are particularly strong and good-hearted. They are called Star Spirits. Using the magical Star Rod, these Star Spirits grant the wishes of everyone in this world. That's why, when we make a wish to the night sky and it comes true, it's all thanks to the Star Spirits and their Star Rod.



I'M GOOD THANKS.

Toad Town



Last thing today is the shop.



You'll get prices and descriptions here. Three items we've already seen, and three new ones. The POW Block does less damage than the Fire Flower, but it's very useful for shell enemies like Koopa Troopas. The far left is the Fright Jar, which can scare off enemies, and Honey Syrup, which recovers a nice 5FP.

I buy a POW Block for now.





If we choose to buy, he tells us to go next to the item to buy it. Sell is obvious, Check/Claim is how you store/recover stored items.

That Toad runs this shop. He buys, sells and checks items. If you don't manage what you're carrying well, you may not be able to hold everything. Check items when you can.



Next time, we finish exploring Toad Town and finally make our way to Shooting Star Summit.

Mega64 fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Feb 19, 2017

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

It is curious and wants to accept all kinds of challenges

Mega64 posted:

And at least after that game, we get the Mario & Luigi games and Luigi becomes a proper playable character.

Superstar Saga came out the year before Thousand Year Door
:goonsay:

Pixeltendo
Mar 2, 2012


It's a little surprising too how long it took to really characterize Luigi besides being Green Mario. Luigi's Mansion and Superstar Saga really helped in that regard to boosting his popularity to even getting a year outta him.

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.

The Ayshkerbundy posted:

Superstar Saga came out the year before Thousand Year Door
:goonsay:

Corrected that, thanks!

e:

Pixeltendo posted:

It's a little surprising too how long it took to really characterize Luigi besides being Green Mario. Luigi's Mansion and Superstar Saga really helped in that regard to boosting his popularity to even getting a year outta him.

They really play around with Luigi a bit in the Gamecube era. He's a major scaredy cat in Luigi's Mansion and Superstar Saga, then in TTYD he's incredibly cocky about his increasingly bizarre adventures.

I'm really glad Luigi became his own character though, he's consistently one of the best parts of most modern Mario games even when he's still a Mario that jumps higher.

Mega64 fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Feb 16, 2017

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.
I don't think I ever used tattle outside of battle.

Goombario is great.

Roobanguy
May 31, 2011

luigi is my favorite mario.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
I'd half expect Luigi to be a bonus partner if they ever remastered the Paper Mario games.

Bufuman
Jun 15, 2013

Sleep in the briefing room.
At your own peril.

Glazius posted:

I'd half expect Luigi to be a bonus partner if they ever remastered the Paper Mario games.

Hopefully utilized better than he was in Super Paper Mario. Thanks for taking him out of the party for the final battle and denying me the chance to have Luigi save the day, Nintendo!

ohmygorgon
Jul 13, 2016
I'm going to hop on the bandwagon and say I love Paper Mario. I like the N64 one a little more than TTYD, even if TTYD is the better game.

I'm also glad you are Tattling everything, I pretty much always had Goombario out when you don't need a specific partner, so I also Tattle everything, all the time.

Rabbi Raccoon
Mar 31, 2009

I stabbed you dude!
The Thousand Year Door seems more difficult, on the whole. It's a lot more polished too. It feels more "real" than Paper Mario

Judge Tesla
Oct 29, 2011

:frogsiren:

Rabbi Raccoon posted:

The Thousand Year Door seems more difficult, on the whole. It's a lot more polished too. It feels more "real" than Paper Mario

It is but you can utterly shatter the game's difficulty with certain badge combos.

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Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

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Bufuman posted:

Hopefully utilized better than he was in Super Paper Mario. Thanks for taking him out of the party for the final battle and denying me the chance to have Luigi save the day, Nintendo!

But luigi is super op in that game
Cant let you have too much fun




Then again SPM gave us MR. L which is probably its saving grace.

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