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EmpyreanFlux
Mar 1, 2013

The AUDACITY! The IMPUDENCE! The unabated NERVE!
"We should just let the poor people die, it's too much effort and oh god waiting lines"

Looks like a viable alternative to me! -Concerned Citizen, 2017.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Do not quote Concerned Citizen.

Fine. :mad:

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013


Thanks. :hfive:

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

FaustianQ posted:

"We should just let the poor people die, it's too much effort and oh god waiting lines"

Looks like a viable alternative to me! -Concerned Citizen, 2017.


what the hell are you talking about? my argument is not that cruz was right, he is a lying sack of poo poo. my problem is bernie didn't make the case as strongly as he should have.

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!



breaklaw posted:

Math is math. There is no capitalist math and socialist math. If your plan doesn't add up then you have no plan. I really think neither party has a workable plan right now.

why do the numbers add up for a country as poor as cuba but not for the richest nation on earth

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment I'm alive, I pray for death!

FaustianQ posted:

"We should just let the poor people die, it's too much effort and oh god waiting lines"

Looks like a viable alternative to me! -Concerned Citizen, 2017.


Fine. :mad:

Look I'm all for clowning on CC when he does his irritating centrist dance in the democrats thread, but I really don't think you're reading him right in this instance.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

CC's premise is that Cruz somehow got away with murder, even though everyone in the audience can see he's the Zodiac Killer.

Those women weren't enough. Taking away healthcare will be the greatest serial killing in history.

EmpyreanFlux
Mar 1, 2013

The AUDACITY! The IMPUDENCE! The unabated NERVE!
Please refer yourself to your "TL:DR" in which you state Ted Cruz succeeded in making his healthcare plan titled "Kill all Poors" look like a viable alternative.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Pener Kropoopkin posted:

CC's premise is that Cruz somehow got away with murder, even though everyone in the audience can see he's the Zodiac Killer.



Prove it. Show the numbers.

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!



we spend more money on healthcare per year than every single nation on eath who has universal health care

i mean gently caress we wouldn't even need to raise taxes on the rich with those kinds of numbers to make uhc work. we spend that much because it is for-profit and we have no controls on pricing, we'd almost certainly be spending far less per capita with a uhc system, just like every other nation on earth who has one.

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

financially racist posted:

we spend more money on healthcare per year than every single nation on eath who has universal health care

i mean gently caress we wouldn't even need to raise taxes on the rich with those kinds of numbers to make uhc work. we spend that much because it is for-profit and we have no controls on pricing, we'd almost certainly be spending far less per capita with a uhc system, just like every other nation on earth who has one.

YEAH AND WE HAVE SOME OF THE HEALTHIEST PEOPLE ON THE PLANET


what?

some of the sickest?????

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


financially racist posted:

we spend more money on healthcare per year than every single nation on eath who has universal health care

i mean gently caress we wouldn't even need to raise taxes on the rich with those kinds of numbers to make uhc work. we spend that much because it is for-profit and we have no controls on pricing, we'd almost certainly be spending far less per capita with a uhc system, just like every other nation on earth who has one.

Also, the cost of the program would go down as time went on since people would get all their minor poo poo treated before it becomes major poo poo.

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

FaustianQ posted:

Please refer yourself to your "TL:DR" in which you state Ted Cruz succeeded in making his healthcare plan titled "Kill all Poors" look like a viable alternative.

if cruz had said "kill the poors," this would be a good point. instead, cruz argued that people with pre-existing conditions will still be covered, that everyone will get more choice at less cost, and we can bring down healthcare costs by gutting the fda. as per usual with the gop, he sold a bullshit fantasy that even he knows is nonsense.

EmpyreanFlux
Mar 1, 2013

The AUDACITY! The IMPUDENCE! The unabated NERVE!

Agean90 posted:

Also, the cost of the program would go down as time went on since people would get all their minor poo poo treated before it becomes major poo poo.

Well yea, the basic premise is like dealing with maintenance on any kind of system, preventative trumps curative by a mile.

EDIT: My point CC, is that besides people with preexisting conditions being covered, none of that sounds like an actual sane proposal.

EmpyreanFlux has issued a correction as of 05:27 on Feb 8, 2017

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

Al! posted:

YEAH AND WE HAVE SOME OF THE HEALTHIEST PEOPLE ON THE PLANET


what?

some of the sickest?????

hell ya, american people are the sickest!!! :rock:



some of the illest!!

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

financially racist posted:

why do the numbers add up for a country as poor as cuba but not for the richest nation on earth

cubans aren't obese

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

College Slice

Lastgirl posted:

hell ya, american people are the sickest!!! :rock:



some of the illest!!

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

College Slice

Typo posted:

cubans aren't obese

Ohh but I def would be if I was Cuban...

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

financially racist posted:

why do the numbers add up for a country as poor as cuba but not for the richest nation on earth

because they spell disaster for you at sacrifice

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes
america y u eat so much

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes
most likely there's a correlation btwn obesity states and trump voting states and % of fat ppl and % of trump voters

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

FaustianQ posted:

Well yea, the basic premise is like dealing with maintenance on any kind of system, preventative trumps curative by a mile.

EDIT: My point CC, is that besides people with preexisting conditions being covered, none of that sounds like an actual sane proposal.

well, to our left-of-idiotville ears it does not sound sane. to actual voters, the kind of voters who supported donald trump, it sounds like something achievable if only the darn government wasn't so bad.

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

Typo posted:

america y u eat so much



corn based economy~

f r u c t o s e

AnEdgelord
Dec 12, 2016

Typo posted:

america y u eat so much



Mississippi would honestly be a failed state if it wasn't for the rest of the US propping it up.

and I mean 'failed state' in the Somalia sense

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

College Slice

Typo posted:

america y u eat so much



Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

breaklaw posted:

That still wouldn't be enough to pay for Bernie's plans, and once you raise the rate over a certain point you actually start losing revenue. Look at what happened in France with Hollande's 75% tax bracket. He believed in it until it was proven to him to be counter-productive.

won't someone think of the rapists

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Mass can pass but miss got rear end.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Al! posted:

Mass can pass but miss got rear end.

:bernpop:

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
Is it over yet

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

College Slice


C O A S T A L ~ E L I T E S

EmpyreanFlux
Mar 1, 2013

The AUDACITY! The IMPUDENCE! The unabated NERVE!

logikv9 posted:

Is it over yet

Yes the nukes are flying right now.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Typo posted:

most likely there's a correlation btwn obesity states and trump voting states and % of fat ppl and % of trump voters

lol those flyover state rednecks sure are dumb and fat!!

actually the obesity epidemic is heavily tied to poverty and another front of the class war by the capitalists on the poor and working class.

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

College Slice

consumed by normies posted:

lol those flyover state rednecks sure are dumb and fat!!

actually the obesity epidemic is heavily tied to poverty and another front of the class war by the capitalists on the poor and working class.

It's true.

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

yep, junk food is loaded with fructose and is the cheapest thing there is while organic food runs on the expensive side

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008



heh look at them, so dumb *fat rednecks sieze all 3 branches of government then shove me into a locker*

edit unless you were agreeing with what consumed was saying then redirect that to the original comment

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
inject the fructose directly into my veins

ScrubLeague
Feb 11, 2007

Nap Ghost

financially racist posted:

why do the numbers add up for a country as poor as cuba but not for the richest nation on earth

Because I don't want to have to pay for people who aren't in my community.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

consumed by normies posted:

lol those flyover state rednecks sure are dumb and fat!!

actually the obesity epidemic is heavily tied to poverty and another front of the class war by the capitalists on the poor and working class.

this is true, but also they're dumb and fat because they think this is cool and good

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Yinlock posted:

this is true, but also they're dumb and fat because they think this is cool and good

be happy for the poor people being fat. theyre getting exactly what they voted for

by kos

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

Yinlock posted:

this is true, but also they're dumb and fat because they think this is cool and good

as always, a lot of problems are always in the middle

the fact that it has been such an ongoing issue, it's become culturally acceptable when you're bombarded with adverts and consumerist lifestyle and associate with branding as part of your identity

I have a feeling you're a bit young on the side yinlock, no offense. You seem to ask a lot of questions that are basic when they have complicated answers with an amalgamation of results instead of just one reason as to why.

As you grow older you will start to notice that people literally live or die by their brand of choice as if was a part of their identity, which is why you will see twitter slapfights over mcdonalds vs wendy being the best because you feel like you personalized the choice and its a part of you.

They are "dumb and fat" because it is all they have learned in their small rural bubble as a new KFC sets up in town and its all that they have to look forward to at the end of the week of work or manual labor with little pay to compensate. It's a perfect catch 22, and they're gonna be sucked dry and killed off.

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Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Lastgirl posted:

as always, a lot of problems are always in the middle

the fact that it has been such an ongoing issue, it's become culturally acceptable when you're bombarded with adverts and consumerist lifestyle and associate with branding as part of your identity

I have a feeling you're a bit young on the side yinlock, no offense. You seem to ask a lot of questions that are basic when they have complicated answers with an amalgamation of results instead of just one reason as to why.

As you grow older you will start to notice that people literally live or die by their brand of choice as if was a part of their identity, which is why you will see twitter slapfights over mcdonalds vs wendy being the best because you feel like you personalized the choice and its a part of you.

They are "dumb and fat" because it is all they have learned in their small rural bubble as a new KFC sets up in town and its all that they have to look forward to at the end of the week of work with little pay to compensate.

i'm actually late-20s, and i think living by a brand of choice is extremely loving idiotic

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