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HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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The album that defined a generation. The album that divided a movement. One of the most influential albums of the 90s. Twenty years ago, in 1997, The Fat of the Land hit the shelves.

Released in the UK on the 30th of June 1997, The Fat of the Land became one of the fastest-selling albums of the year, the de-facto sound of the Summer. It did alright in America as well. Packed full of instant classics such as Firestarter, Breathe, and the ever-controversial Smack My Bitch Up, The Fat of the Land rocked sound systems globally, and is able to maintain its massive worldwide popularity a full two decades on.

Of course, not everyone loved it. A generation of jilted music lovers, of the day and now, considered the group's previous album to be their seminal masterpiece (Liam Howlett's creative peak), and let's be honest, they have a point. Others were disgusted to hear electronic devilry ruin their punk rock experience, or neanderthalic rock attitudes invading their broken beats, but by and large they were outnumbered.

I will be spending the weeks and months leading up to the 20th anniversary digging up old (and new) reviews, posting related tracks and remixes, offering my opinion on the album, etc. But...



That's right, I want all of you to share your experiences of and with the album, good or bad, happy or sad. Was it your first taste of electronic music, from which you never looked back? Were you expecting more like their first two albums, and were disgusted at how blatantly they sold out? Are you not really all that fussed about the album but giggle at the naughty word in the opener? Let's hear it!

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For those with archives access, here is my old, mostly intact thread for The Day Is My Enemy - https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3695985

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HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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Let's kick things off then.



NME, 1997 - http://web.archive.org/web/20000307110237/http://www.nme.com/reviews/reviews/19980101000185reviews.html / http://www.nme.com/photos/how-the-fat-of-the-land-turned-the-prodigy-into-worldwide-dance-rock-titans-1429373

Here's a few snippets:

NME posted:


ON THE fast-track Hollywood party circuit, so it is rumoured, whenever talk gets round to the thrill-seekers of legend (those party-cruisers who could display a resilience in the face of unlimited amounts of booze, debauchery and abandon that would make the most hardened of rave-circuit heads wilt), the name of one man comes up with unerring regularity. Indeed, so versed in the wayward ways of the dark arts was Charlie Sheen at the height of his powers, so the story goes, that names were dispensed with. He was simply known as The Machine.

Whether a group of one-time Essex ravers turned, erm, 'digi-rock' (ª the entire American music industry) pioneers called The Prodigy have invaded Charlie's consciousness to date seems unlikely but not, as their promotional people would have it, for long.

Just as we can only hope against hope that the feelgood-frenzy summer of '97 provides us with ever more improbable highs (Mike D installed as President of the US, a new Verve single every week, Tony Blair's band reforming and headlining Glasters) so it is our duty to celebrate what is clearly in the hands of the inevitable. To wit, the global acceptance of the Prod's not-remotely-difficult third album, 'The Fat Of The Land'. Because, barring calamity, it appears to quite clearly be the implement with which Liam, Maxim, Keef and Leeroy - the central cyber-personalities of their live show - break America open like a coconut and slurp its contents until it dribbles down their collective chins. It's their Fifth Element, so to speak.
[...]
What such a bullet-headed ten-track collection proves is, for once, startlingly clear. Having set out to create a record that plays firmly to their strengths (in a word, touring), the Prod have tailored their brutalist sound and deeply tongue-in-cheek cyber-vision to a point where it serves as an aural foil to the mind-boggling overload of their live show. There's barely a second goes by amidst the hailstorm of Wu-Tang-esque martial arts samples, droning synths and Gizz's kamikaze guitar breaks on 'The Fat Of The Land' when you're not picturing Leeroy hot-stepping away at his epileptic-on-an-ice rink anti-dancing, Keith bug-eyed and shivering like a (strontium) dog who's just clambered out of the local duck pond, or Maxim foaming at the mouth and inciting us to, well, smell the glove.
[...]
'Fat...' will have all manner of people scrambling to declare it as the first block rockin' post-Oasis amyl-techno-punk album. Which is precisely what it is.

And one which, as well as reaffirming their position as head-warping slam-kings of the pop underground, seems set to be the ultimate party soundtrack both sides of the ocean for anyone who likes their minds scrambled, their beats titanium-heavy and their good times as well-oiled and unstoppable as an out-of-control juggernaut. Like a single-minded machine, in fact.

No doubt about it, then. 'The Fat Of The Land' is one Charlie Sheen of an album. 8/10

I have to agree, it was definitely a block rockin' post-Oasis amyl-techno-punk album by the digi-rockers.

HJB fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Feb 8, 2017

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

:swoon: I can't get enough of are Dan :swoon:
Shows how far ahead of the game Liam was, crazy to think about really nowadays. And let's use this post to put up a...



Smack My Bitch Up (Slacker Mix)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzDcm9eo-f0

Never saw an official release to my knowledge, divides opinion a bit but is generally seen as one of the better Prodigy remixes out there.

HJB fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Feb 9, 2017

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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Glad to start seeing some anecdotes, yeah I think SMBU dropped like a bomb in America. Good time to start my opinion pieces then.




Some albums start off nice and easy, to give you a chance to settle in and prepare for what's to come. Fat is not one of those albums. It throws you in at the deep end, and tosses a few sharks after you for good measure. As an instrumental, SMBU is a heavy, intense piece of music, one of the headbangiest, jawscrunchingest anthems you could wish for. Add in the vocals, and suddenly there's some real venom behind it as well, and controversy develops. Not nearly enough of course, which is where the video comes in. A video which requires me to encase it in NWS tags, so here I go - :nws: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFxaDoyl-1s :nws:

In the context of the album, it does its job nicely. If you're not immediately hooked, it's probably not for you, but then you're probably not welcome anyway.

HJB fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Feb 10, 2017

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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Let's have a Sunday Grab Bag, because why not. Everyone grab your Fat of the Land beer (yes, it was real) and sample these delights. First up, here's a snippet from an August 97 interview showing that Liam was way ahead of his time in more ways than one:

quote:

”I hate the internet, it’s a piece of poo poo. It’s just a web of useless information You can’t stop what people do on it. I mean I turned one on the other day, looking at this Prodigy site and my house was on the internet. My loving house. It was like, ‘Let’s look around Liam’s house.’ You can click on it and there’s all these pictures of my house taken from different angles. I was like, ‘gently caress, they must have broken in or something.’ Luckily, it was only photos from an old magazine feature I did but the thought of people hanging around my house and taking pictures for the internet, just fucks me right off. It’s really weird.”

Next up, looking at those Jim Pavloff vids - here's the Lenin poster from the SMBU one, by Frank Kozik:



"Дуеэы Кщсл" meaning "Let's Rock". Meanwhile, Pavloff's version of Firestarter appears to be based on this mashup from 2005:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZvC-37tCe0

Finally, here's The Horn Track by Egyptian Empire, posted not just because I like it, but because it should sound instantly familiar to everyone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_CjeiTHo9Q

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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Glad to be appealing to lurkers as well! I'd make a What Evil Lurks pun but eh. Anyway, today's treat:



Prepare For The Rush
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=454gLKnMQQ8

One of those live-only pieces that was played out a few times in the late 90s. Let's impregnate all our breaks. As a bonus, here's a fanmade rework, created to imitate a studio version - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13i1LaidFXg. I just noticed that URL says "Laid FX", prescient.

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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Eight Is Legend posted:

Do you guys know any articles on how Liam created the tracks? I've seen these videos before and it's so amazing to me that he was able to do the same things without the use of modern software.

http://theprodigy.info/equipment/

Have a dig around in there, plenty of resources there. That site's also where I'm getting a lot of the stuff I'm posting up from.

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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Wank posted:

I don't know. Experience is what got the people I hung out with then from metal onto electronic music, it completely changed everything. Jilted, I think their best album, continued to blow us all away in how it felt at the time. Fat of the Land just felt like a bit of a sellout and Prodigy were already feeling irrelevant with the electronic scene moving away from that sound. To be fair, I don't think I have listened to any of this since the 90s.

This is fair, like I said earlier I expected a fair few people to feel this way about it, not everyone's going to have a positive view of the album. Also gives me a chance to post this:



Gavin Burke, entertainment.ie, 2015 - Seven reasons why The Prodigy's Fat of the Land album is crap

I'll let people click and find out what the seven reasons are, it goes on a bit, but here's a couple of parts that go with that way of thinking:

quote:

March 1996 gave us Firestarter, which took Electronic Punk to a new level and, for the first time, gave this 'faceless techno' band a charismatic frontman in Keith Flint. Mainstream success and magazine covers beckoned. Breathe followed that November boasting what music critic Gary Mulholland called "one of the all-time greatest rhythm tracks ever to be dragged from a computer." The Prodigy were now stadium fillers and the world waited for the follow up album, the one to break them in America.

Then Fat of the Land hit the shops, went straight to Number One, and indeed broke them in the US. I couldn't wait to get it home and have a listen. I didn't have a Discman at the time and had to race to my sister's to play it. She lived a full fifteen minutes jog from the record shop – some distance when you have just bought a treasured new Prodigy release. I listened: opener Smack My Bitch Up kicked the proverbial, Diesel Power was Kool and Climbatize continued the instrumental weather-related tunes that started on Experience.

But something was wrong. I didn't want to admit it. I refused to accept it. But somewhere in my brain, the honesty section probably, something was telling me that it was a piece of poo poo.
[...]
The Prodigy had peaked somewhere between the excellent Poison (1995) - the B-sides on Poison are as strong as anything found on their albums or singles - and Breathe (1996). By the time Fat of the Land came along, the band were already on the slide. It happens to some bands: the album that launches them to superstardom is usually on the back of the spadework of the previous album (Radiohead, The Bends). Fat… received such unworthy praise because there was guilt about being slow to pick up on what a ground-breaking album Jilted… actually was.

There's a fair bit of exaggeration in there but also some legitimate points.

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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Yeah, even the Fat b-sides are lacking in that regard, The Trick's probably the best for it. I might as well link to them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKEriy19T1I - Molotov Bitch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmg4HxFzuJE - The Trick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-a9SYlJkKs - No Man Army

There's a couple of different versions of the latter - one from the Their Law compilation, and a vocal version called One Man Army.

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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A little Sunday Grab Bag. First, here's a July 1997 snippet on their "image":

quote:

Their success certainly owes something to their image. The Prodigy have identities as distinct and marketable as Britain's other great musical export, the Spice Girls. There's Mad Prodigy (Keith, wide-eyed, hair-dyed and with so many body piercings that he sets off metal detectors in airports), Scary Prodigy (Maxim Reality, the black MC who wears snake-eye contact lenses and gold fangs), Giant Prodigy (Leeroy Thornhill, a six-foot-six dancer who describes what he does as "the music unleashed") and Brainy Prodigy (blond, handsome Liam Howlett, running the show from behind a bank of keyboards).

This ~1997 pic was put up a little while back on their official Instagram, so you can compare and decide for yourself:



Finally, some demosceners managed to get SMBU sounding pretty faithful on a Commodore 64:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqxjsfTLUrA&t=422s(7:02)

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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Zyklon B Zombie posted:

I'm actually kind of surprised that any sort of retro Big Beat revival hasn't rolled around yet.

There's been a real focus on breakbeat hardcore sorta stuff in the last half decade or so, with all sorts of artists having a one-off track on their albums in that style, so I suppose we might be hitting the big beat era soon enough, about 18 years is when things become retro enough to be fashionable again.

freudorbison posted:

Check out Lone's Levitate.

Yeah Levitate is solid, it's more of a beardstroker than a chinswinger of an album but it's a good listen.

SUNKOS posted:

While I don't consider AONO to be very good, the track Girls was way ahead of the curve and I think Liam should have gone all-in with that sound and style for the album, because he was ahead of his peers by about a decade with that tune and it's always seemed like a brief spark of genius that he didn't have the confidence to fully commit to. Seeing that same sound explode on the electro scene so long after Liam had released that track only confirms this. I remember reading about him being nervous and unsure of how to follow-up FOTL, so it's understandable that the album turned out the way that it did since the more-of-the-same approach of Baby's Got A Temper wasn't received well at the time.

There was an awful lot that went on in the period between FOTL and AONO, including an entire album's worth of scrapped tunes (anyone interested should look up Trigger and Nuclear, and go from there). AONO ended up being way ahead and way behind at the same time.

buildmorefarms posted:

One thing which always puzzled me; was there any reliable (i.e. liam, I suppose?) sources on how much keith/maxim/leeroy contributed to the tracks? I always wondered how much creative input they had.

Keith's purely a showman, he would have bounced ideas off Liam but I think his main role has always been "do your thing". Maxim and Leeroy are producers in their own right, moreso the latter in the Fat era (here's an example from 1996), but to actually answer your question they didn't have any involvement with the production itself, just the former two with the lyrics. There's some good Liam quotes here that kinda cover it. "I like to do everything myself. I can't have anyone else in the studio."

david_a posted:

I always thought Leeroy was kind of weird - a member of the band that was just a dancer? I can't think of another band like that. I mean, is Prodigy actually a "band" or is it just Liam doing 99% of everything?

This is why I call them a group, though even that's tenuous sometimes.

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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There's a near-infinite source of Firestarter parodies, I'd forgotten about that Zimmers one, was great. This all reminded me of the Shooting Stars parody, audio of which is here - http://theprodigy.info/download/audio/misc/Firestarter(ShootingStars).mp3. I don't know if there's a video anywhere. As a bonus here's Vic Reeves singing it in the club style - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3Di5KRXo6c

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmHDhAohJlQ

The album opens with a bit of a one-two combo, doesn't it? Back when I was young and impressionable (as opposed to youngish and impressionable now) I recall Breathe having a bigger impact on me than Firestarter, at least musically. Obviously it's another heavy banger, but it's the dual vocal dynamic that sets it apart from most. It's the one of the three singles that isn't as fondly remembered by many, largely due to the video, but I've gotta say watching it back now for the first time in forever it's still pretty good, if creepier than I remembered. Maxim's looking drat legendary too.

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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Any picture of Keith looks evil.

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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He's very photogenic, as evidenced by this before and after from Reading 98. Meanwhile, let's have a US-based article:



Dominic Pride, Billboard, July 26 1997 - https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=lg4EAAAAMBAJ



"If you listen to Led Zep, it's more danceable than Kraftwerk is."

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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I had a little look and couldn't find much in the way of a (decent) creative remix of Climbatize, which is how you can tell the original got it spot on first time. To go to the completely opposite end of the scale:



Rock N Roll

It's not much of a rarity as it's been a staple of their live sets on and off since about 1994, but it's gone through a few changes over the years, and there's never been a studio version released. So here's two of the live versions - first up is an earlier version from 1995:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F63oHzv1YOI

By 1998 it had become this bone breaking beast:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxNq5fo0JEo&t=70s(1:10)

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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david_a posted:

Any interesting stuff about Narayan? It's probably my favorite off the album, probably because it reminds me the most of Experience.

Same deal as Climbatize I think, though I've heard a couple of decent covers of it. It's my favourite too, so I'll see if I can find some good stuff about it for when I get round to talking about it.

E: There's this live bit they did in 97 - Narayan Beats - which goes off in a whole other direction.

HJB fucked around with this message at 13:20 on Mar 8, 2017

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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After the explosive start, this is where the album begins for real. Featuring the vocal talents of the Ultramagnetic MCs' Kool Keith (for real this time), this little pulsating slice of hip-hop is a bit of a calmer relatively speaking, but it's still hard not to move to the beat. It's a side of the Prodigy that was never really fully explored, and arguably the reason why Liam went in the direction that culminated in the Dirtchamber Sessions soon after. Personally I've always liked it, it's not a track I'd specifically sit down and listen to but I always enjoy it when listening to the album. Also, the bit at the end with the numbers always made me feel like I was missing something, but I don't think there's a deeper meaning to it. MODEL 706-8073-421 ROBOT SONIC

"I got 40 grand for three minutes to write a song with Prodigy"

HJB fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Mar 12, 2017

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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Let's kickstart the weekend with some Climbatize fun. This is along the same lines as Narayan Beats:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlSqU3DNcCw

Plus while looking for worthwhile remixes, I came across this, which is a bit sketchy but has some nice ideas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk1tj-tW5nk

Most remixes of it are very similar though in that they have the same structure and progression as the original, just with added chops or layers over the top.

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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I ought to carry on with this, huh.




We've hit one of the few tracks on the album I'm not particularly excited about, it's decent enough but it just kinda trots along at its own pace and does its thing. I don't think it would sound too out of place on AONO, which you can draw your own conclusions from.

Meanwhile, considering what day it is, have a "fake" remix of the track:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBizzRE_77c

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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Sounds about right, maybe Climbatize should have been a bit earlier in the album so you'd have a proper fast-slow-fast pattern but I think it worked out alright anyway.

As an aside, these "art figures" are now a thing:




A limited edition of 250 sets, a mere bargain at £150.

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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Here's something a bit... special? Unique?



TITAN

:nws:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EX2utx4EKY:nws:

Rediscovered a few years ago, it was found that Liam produced a brand new track in the Dirtchamber Sessions era (1999) by the name of Titan. What makes this track unique are the circumstances surrounding it - Liam produced it for a porno called The Uranus Experiment. No really. The NWS tags are there because the track contains some naughty sounds so you probably shouldn't blast it at full volume around other people (unless you record their reactions for the thread).

Here's an article about the track that's safe to read:

"Prodigy tries sex in space" posted:

Prodigy fans take note: Don't bother checking the record shops for Liam Howlett's next set of electro beats. You'll have better luck finding them in the adult section of your favourite video store.

Howlett, musical braintrust behind the hit U.K. techno outfit, recently teamed up with Massive Attack member 3-D to score scenes from an upcoming U.S. sci-fi porn flick called The Uranus Experiment -- Part Two.

"The film involves the first zero-gravity sex," Howlett enthuses over the phone last week from his London studio, the Dirtchamber. "They've spent loads of money on it and chartered these planes to fly on the edge of space and go into a controlled free-fall. Then they filmed zero-gravity sex. We get to do a track for it!"

Okay, so porn's first interstellar money-shot not withstanding, what's a nice, clean-cut mixmaster like Howlett doing dabbling in "this crazy film?"

"The producer approached me and Rob (3-D) 'cause he knew we were porn fans," Howlett says. "It's a bit of a laugh more than anything else, but because it's so original, I wanted to be a part of it.

"I'm not usually a fan of music on porno. Turn the volume down and get to it, I say. But when I saw this film, it almost had a certain class about it. When you say 'porno,' the first thing you think of is sleazy guitar and wah-wah pedal. This isn't like that at all. Floating around in space requires some different music. I've done something simple, but it will make a good first track for our album later. "

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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Here's an edit that's noticeably less sex-noisy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPHLmE9RgBQ

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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Two months to go!




Another middle of the road track for the middle of the album? Okay that's a bit harsh, it's pretty good, but not quite up to the standards the big hitters set. As user "remember" put it on renowned music review site ultratop.be: "Immer noch ziemlich cool".

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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Rat Poison / Scienide. To be fair they are comfortably their best B-sides. Anyway, since this thread has revived:




We're out of the woods in the middle and back in full brain engage mode. The subtle change to the name that emerged turned out to be pretty apt I'd say. The Jilted undertones combined with full Fat make for a good time. Rolling Stone magazine said of it: "Squelching synths bounce round each other on "Mindfields," creating a mesmerizing funk force field", and that description does me nicely. As a bonus, here's the Headrock Dub:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7bE-jTdLyY

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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Looking up some live stuff to put in here, these thumbnails are great:




But here, have Breathe from V97:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_35eJW2jGeY

I'm sure Keith remembers the night well.

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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Seems appropriate for today

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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So, here we go with the moment we've all been waiting for, if we all happen to be me:




Narayan is a bit special. If psybreaks wasn't what it is, you could pigeonhole this as psybreaks at its finest. It draws you in with its haunting melody, atmospherics, and rich driving beat, hits you with full mantric force just as you're getting comfortable, and hands you off for a breakbeat massage as it somehow finds a way to segue into its sonically-opposite famous brother. Nine minutes just isn't enough.

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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We're nearly there. Let's get this one out of the way, no description necessary.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmin5WkOuPw

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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The other major lush atmospheric piece on the album, Climbatize wanders off on a slightly different path to Narayan but still arrives at the same satisfying destination. Those horns, man. I've used up my quota of wanky wordage for this thread so I'll just say it's drat enjoyable, and let everyone prepare for the final track tomorrow, the most marmite of album closers.

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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Somehow, it seems fitting that one of the most iconic albums of its generation should end on such a polarising note. Fuel My Fire is a cover of a track by L7, from back in the days when Liam single-handedly revived the fortunes of several grungelites, and could be considered one of his few drum & bass efforts, technically. I'm going to anger precisely half of the people reading this by saying I like it, not quite as much as I used to but that full-on manic energy appeals to me in a way that only tracks like it can.

So there we go, that's Fat of the Land, folks. Nice of the calendar gods to make its 20th birthday fall on a Friday so everyone can celebrate in style.

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HJB
Feb 16, 2011

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http://theprodigy.co.uk/the-fat-of-the-land-20th-anniversary/

quote:



Today marks the 20th anniversary of “’The Fat of the Land’ . Check out the killer live video of Mindfields shot in Russia this year, plus free signed posters and limited edition shirts available now from https://prdgy.lnk.to/store

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0Olyr9zRto

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