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I believe the state of US education is...
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wateroverfire
Jul 3, 2010

VikingofRock posted:

Is it okay to talk about college-level education in this thread as well? Because, perhaps unsurprisingly, it has come out that a bunch of college loans were very predatory:

On the one hand, private student loans are often a really bad idea and making loans you know most borrowers will never be able to repay is bad.

On the other hand, "I borrowed $150,000 to make a hilariously bad decision and the lender didn't STOP me so it's their fault..." as an emotional hook doesn't really work for me.

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wateroverfire
Jul 3, 2010

VitalSigns posted:

Swindling people is immoral and (rightfully) illegal. Even if the victim is a dumb teenager who "should have known better".

Yeah but if you come to me and go "I need $150,000 to do X" where X is a really dumb idea and I go "OK" I haven't swindled you. You sort of swindled yourself. Or maybe the college did the swindling if they made representations about the value of the degree that were false.

wateroverfire
Jul 3, 2010
IDK about homework, but my impression looking back at my schooling is that a lot of our lecture time was a waste. Like...there is probably a more efficient way to teach some subjects than to have someone stand in front of a class and talk. Maybe homework wouldn't be such a problem if students could reclaim 3 hours out of the school day.

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