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on the left posted:IQ is 80% of the answer to the first two questions, and explains why there's not much that can be done about the third. So what's the other 20%?
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litany of gulps posted:I think the schools have done a lot to alienate the trades, too. Schools used to serve a pipeline to the trades. Shop class, automotive class, carpentry class, even electronics class. Where did they go and why? The schools used to work hand-in-hand with the trades. At some point, this alliance fell apart. Part of it is simple budgetary reasons- shop classes require specialized equipment and teachers. They're not very popular, because parents, even union parents, don't necessarily want their kids working as auto mechanics, so parents don't usually speak up to defend them. Here in Michigan, ISDs (between municipalities and counties) and RESAs (counties) handle shop classes, and their strategy has been to consolidate all classes across a set of districts or a county into a single school to save on expenses for facilities, meaning kids have to be bused around the county to attend more than basic vocational classes. Which eats up the time available for those classes. Tracking certainly doesn't help in this regard either, where it's practiced.
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Feb 10, 2017 04:27
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litany of gulps posted:My own experiences... Yeah part of the problem is that trades are seen as for kids too stupid to go to college, they're relatively vulnerable targets unless they have a minimal footprint, and just about everyone would resist making them part of the standard curriculum. Also, partnering with unions would be a big advantage for trade classes but good luck getting that to happen. on the left posted:Trump was better at seizing opportunity and gauging the nation than an army of high-priced Democratic consultants, he has a much better predictive model and is more rational than the mainline Dem party and people like you who are doubling down on things that cause you to lose. Do you kiss a picture of him on the lips before you go to sleep every night?
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Feb 10, 2017 04:35
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It's pretty funny but also pretty revealing that my parents are regularly stunned by how much academic work is required for my youngest sister's Culinary Arts classes. Voyager I posted:How do you post in D&D for years and still respond to OtL posts? Just ignore him and have real conversations. I mean, refusing to respond to his medley of racism and Brooks Brothers Boring conservatism does leave open the question of whether he is making stunning points that those loony libz don't want you to know. on the left posted:If it's a nontruthful bias, surely my strategy of keeping my children out of dangerous schools will backfire spectacularly and result in self-pwn. No, we're doing it for white genocide, idiot.
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Feb 10, 2017 04:47
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Babylon Astronaut posted:There's "cooking schools" like Le Cole or Courdon Bleu, but then there are the culinary programs of accredited colleges and universities. It's something you have to explain to people before they understand how rigorous it is. I mean seriously, go take a professional cooking 1 class, the most basic class in a program and tell me you aren't exhausted after every class. I mean, this is off topic, but it's not a horribly bigoted derail like most of the thread so whatever. I just get really pissed when people think I go jackass around in a kitchen all day and that "American Regional Cuisine," a 400 level class, is somehow easy or something they could do. I mean gently caress, we had a food science class that the head of the chemistry department complained about because it was more advanced than their organic chemistry class. Yeah, there's a huge difference between being able to cook for yourself/a nuclear family (which a lot of people can't really do all that well, even) and cooking to the standards of even a high school culinary program.
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Blue-collar jobs, as opposed to pink-collar jobs, are more likely to pay a substantial wage. Of course, a lot of them have bad working conditions. There's a substantial group of carpenters, electricians, boilermakers, etc. that work gigs maybe lasting a week at a time, there's a substantial group of blue-collar workers who work 60-70 hours a week to make the high incomes people like to talk about when encouraging people to go into skilled trades, there's a decent risk of injuries, and there's the relative lack of comfort in many blue-collar jobs. So it's not surprising that although people talk about more skilled tradespeople, very few will push their own children or their local school towards it. That's without getting into the issue of getting into steady work in the first place, how seniority can be disaffecting for younger union workers, etc. because those are a little outside the scope of education. Of course, solutions to those problems I just outlined above are a little beyond the scope of education, but in theory normalizing vocational/trade classes (or creating semi-vocational classes) will help develop pressure to improve working conditions for blue-collar/pink-collar labor.
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