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Agent355
Jul 26, 2011


Zore posted:

Man I love this game, and I'm glad we're getting a more modern lp than the one in the archive that was recorded at like 240p.

Also the summon playstyle is ironically weakest in normal difficulty. In the later ones your summons get ridiculous boosts and rip through enemies while they peak in normal around act 2 and you spend most of act 4 resummoning them.

This is an accurate description of how I remember it. I wasn't going to go summoner at all but I read that they buffed it a bit in the patch so here we go boiz.

Still deciding how I'm going to build later on, right now it's just wolves4days

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Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

Agent355 posted:

This is an accurate description of how I remember it. I wasn't going to go summoner at all but I read that they buffed it a bit in the patch so here we go boiz.

Still deciding how I'm going to build later on, right now it's just wolves4days

If you get the heal they're pretty good, especially with the weird aggro in multiplayer.

Also I literally beat the game without killing a single enemy personally after I got wolves (and later the core dweller) online so its not like summons are ridiculously bad or anything. You just struggle in some fights (like Act 2's end boss :suicide:)

Lord_Magmar
Feb 24, 2015

"Welcome to pound town, Slifer slacker!"


There's also the bit where some of the bonus bosses make being a summoner at terrible idea, because they take control of them and turn them against you.

Razorwind
May 20, 2010
I gotta keep an eye on this one. I've had Titan Quest in my steam library for ages but never played very far into it. Don't think I've ever got to the spartan camp.

Time to boot it up again and play along. As it was suggested as cool build, i'm gonna run with the Haruspex, grab a spear and go full Hoplite.

Also, like Agent, i have a soft spot for pet classes in games like this, born from my Diablo 2 days, but I find that more and more games have pets that time out these days, rather than sticking around untill they die.

Blackmage Yapo
Mar 27, 2008

Odin You Sad I Have
All The SPP
I'm working absurd hours this week so y'all get a morning update!



So this one is a bit longer than the previous ones but it didn't really feel like we had a great stopping point anywhere in there. They'll tend to vary based on how well we can remember the pacing of this game.

I was gonna write up some big thing on charms on relics but then I realized it really didn't matter all that much, so I'll just do a quick run down. With a few exceptions they all fall in to weapon, shield, armor, or accesory categories. They usually provide similar benefits to what that item might produce if you got a lucky drop, but are a bit more specefic. We'll hopefully see more of them as time goes on because they're cool and helpful but I'm going to blame Agent for messing up the drops for now.

Rip_Van_Winkle
Jul 21, 2011

"When life gives you ghosts, you make ghost-robots"

I think this is a philosophy we can all aspire to.

Oh man! Satyr Click! And recorded with good commentary with good video quality!

Also, I like the long episodes, it's been mentioned before that games like this are perfectly good at being second-monitor LPs and I agree. Maybe that's just because I know the game really well, but whatever, it's great so far.

Poil
Mar 17, 2007

I'm really enjoying watching this. Hitting satyrs over the head has never been as fun.

Antistar01
Oct 20, 2013
I hadn't really thought about co-op ARPG etiquette before. I play multiplayer games extremely rarely, but Titan Quest is a game I've played all the way through in co-op at least a couple of times.

I remember at a previous job there was a bunch of us playing through it during our lunch breaks for a while. I would use movement speed increasing items, XP-gain increasing items, level up whenever I felt like it, portal back to town whenever my inventory happened to fill up, etc.

Man, I was being a real jerk and I didn't even realise it. :saddowns:

Lord_Magmar
Feb 24, 2015

"Welcome to pound town, Slifer slacker!"


The best thing about this game, is of course, the extreme rag-dolling. Which I think may have to be turned on in this version of the game. Basically the way they calculated rag-dolling was direction of hit and how much damage the hit did, with increased effects for concussive weapon/spells vs. other types, from what I remember.

In effect this means hitting a satyr with enough damage and a mace would make them fly halfway across the map on a lucky swing.

Kaboom Dragoon
May 7, 2010

The greatest of feasts

Antistar01 posted:

I hadn't really thought about co-op ARPG etiquette before. I play multiplayer games extremely rarely, but Titan Quest is a game I've played all the way through in co-op at least a couple of times.

I remember at a previous job there was a bunch of us playing through it during our lunch breaks for a while. I would use movement speed increasing items, XP-gain increasing items, level up whenever I felt like it, portal back to town whenever my inventory happened to fill up, etc.

Man, I was being a real jerk and I didn't even realise it. :saddowns:

If you're playing with pubbies, whatever, no one there's expecting much of anyone. With friends though, yeah, it's nice to make sure one guy isn't storming ahead of everyone else. Obviously, it's different if one guy has a build that's slow to gain power and has to be carried for a while or if they've got a specialised build that has trouble with certain areas (Duriel with ice sorcs in Diablo 2 springs to mind) but it's more fun when everyone's at an equal level. No one wants to think they're not pulling their own weight.

Bhruic
Mar 27, 2013
I, for one, am perfectly happy with this being a Blood Bowl podcast with Titan Quest gameplay in the background.

Cassa
Jan 29, 2009
I'd be ok with Titan Quest chat in some Blood Bowl vids too.

Blackmage Yapo
Mar 27, 2008

Odin You Sad I Have
All The SPP

Cassa posted:

I'd be ok with Titan Quest chat in some Blood Bowl vids too.

I don't think either Agent or myself will be revisiting Blood Bowl any time soon. LPing that game is quite a lot more labor intensive than stuff like this.

Agent355
Jul 26, 2011


Blackmage Yapo posted:

I don't think either Agent or myself will be revisiting Blood Bowl any time soon. LPing that game is quite a lot more labor intensive than stuff like this.

On the other hand bloodbowl 2:LE is coming out sometime this year and I'm absolutely considering doing another goonbowl/LP style tournament where I do an LP of w/e team I'm playing in goonbowl and we just use the LP thread for the tournament coordinating as well.

Try and stop me.

We'll just do a thread vote here for what team we play. I'll start.

lizardmen

Vote closed. Guess lizards won, who knew!

Agent355 fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Feb 20, 2017

Blackmage Yapo
Mar 27, 2008

Odin You Sad I Have
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So I kinda listened to the thread! I was thinking about it a bit more and as cool as the poison debuff is for me our current ALL PET ALL TIMES build is a bit more condusive to using an active energy skill with some range on it. The puppies would be very sad if I wasn't helping them out.

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


Can you guys post the skill trees you're using? It might be fun to theorycraft a bit

And per your rule you guys will essentially have max base stats from skills at level 32?

EDIT: repeated words

Seraphic Neoman fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Feb 23, 2017

Blackmage Yapo
Mar 27, 2008

Odin You Sad I Have
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SSNeoman posted:

Can you guys post the skill trees you're using? It might be fun to theorycraft a bit

And per your rule you guys will essentially have max base stats at level 32 from skills at level 32?

Should hopefully get there by then, yeah. I've been spreading my points out a bit to try and show off some different skills and figure out whats gonna work best for video, so they're probably not ~optimal~

Here is a close approximation of my skills as they stand: http://www.titancalc.com/TitanCalc....0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0

mastersord
Feb 15, 2001

Gold Card Putty Fan Club
Member Since 2017!
Soiled Meat
I remember Titan Quest. I bought the original and expansion back in the day and it still works!

The lore and sheer variety of mobs and loot was awesome but I remember hating how the controls would not be able to react fast enough (i would get stuck in an attack while being mobbed and then I'd try to spam a healing potion, only to be killed a second later because the system wouldn't register the potion button fast enough). The rag-dolls were awesome!

I would recommend ranged attacks over melee and if I played it again, I'd try focusing more on speed (movement and attack) and regen.

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


I'd say grab Premonition and Distortion Field to give you more tankiness.
Grab Dream Stealer because "Devastate your enemies and steal their power by ripping the very dreams from their minds." sounds :black101: as all gently caress. Phantom Strike seems p Rogue-y but I dunno it doesn't wow me.
And I guess try and get Distort Reality and Temporal rift since those seem like a PBAoE version of your Distortion Wave which is prob more helpful.

and yeah up that mantra cause holy poo poo that's silly good

...I'm really way more into the Dream tree than the Rogue tree so I see what Agent meant.

Oh and you might wanna spec into nightmare because "Master Mind: (Rank: 1 of 8): The Nightmare is able to speak to the minds of your other minions and coordinate their attacks, making them more effective in combat. 50 Energy Cost, 15.0 Meter Radius,Bonus to All Pets:,+5% Total Damage, +30% Health Regeneration, +30% Energy Regeneration" loving super dogges

EDIT: wait is Lucid Dream a loving passive???

EDIT 2: guiz i think i rely liek dreem
Psionic Touch + Psionic Burn seem way better than Calculated Strike + Lucky Hit. LH seems way too random to be useful, and requires you to like spread yourself really thin across the rogue tree. Psionic Burn seems to fit the sort of PBAoE + Hard Spike single target + Beast Mastery playstyle you're going for. Basically throw traps, summon nightmares, use PS to get into a mob, use DR to blast and stun, clickclickclick...
If you see a boss, Phantom Strike to them then Lethal Strike before clickclickclick

Seraphic Neoman fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Feb 23, 2017

Condoleezza Nice!
Jan 4, 2010

Lite som Robin Hood
fast inte
Warfare + Storm forever. :colbert:

Agent355
Jul 26, 2011


http://www.titancalc.com/TitanCalc.asp?mastery=Soothsayer&master1=2&master2=4

Thats roughly where I am right now.

The goal is to pump up spirit mastery and reach some of the other auras/pets before going back and adding more points to some of the really cool/useful stuff I've been collecting.

Lord_Magmar
Feb 24, 2015

"Welcome to pound town, Slifer slacker!"


See I think those Mastery Calculators might be out of date, because they don't seem to reflect some of the changes made by the Anniversary Edition. Not that this doesn't mean they're bad for getting a general idea of the tree and what you're going to get out of it.

Also they tried to fix the weak pets in Act 3 thing, but whether it works or not for you will have to be seen, as it's just a 75% health increase attached to one of the quest completions.

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


Agent355 posted:

http://www.titancalc.com/TitanCalc.asp?mastery=Soothsayer&master1=2&master2=4

Thats roughly where I am right now.

The goal is to pump up spirit mastery and reach some of the other auras/pets before going back and adding more points to some of the really cool/useful stuff I've been collecting.

Ya need to copy the url in the bottom textbox duder

Agent355
Jul 26, 2011


http://www.titancalc.com/TitanCalc....0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0

You're not my mom.

Antistar01
Oct 20, 2013
Oh man, TitanCalc. Lots of memories flooding back from this LP. That the Anniversary Edition is just one game in a larger backlog I'm ploughing through is the only reason I haven't already installed it and started another run through myself.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all

Condoleezza Nice! posted:

Warfare + Storm forever. :colbert:

Defense or go home.

Blackmage Yapo
Mar 27, 2008

Odin You Sad I Have
All The SPP

SSNeoman posted:

I'd say grab Premonition and Distortion Field to give you more tankiness.
Grab Dream Stealer because "Devastate your enemies and steal their power by ripping the very dreams from their minds." sounds :black101: as all gently caress. Phantom Strike seems p Rogue-y but I dunno it doesn't wow me.
And I guess try and get Distort Reality and Temporal rift since those seem like a PBAoE version of your Distortion Wave which is prob more helpful.

and yeah up that mantra cause holy poo poo that's silly good

...I'm really way more into the Dream tree than the Rogue tree so I see what Agent meant.

Oh and you might wanna spec into nightmare because "Master Mind: (Rank: 1 of 8): The Nightmare is able to speak to the minds of your other minions and coordinate their attacks, making them more effective in combat. 50 Energy Cost, 15.0 Meter Radius,Bonus to All Pets:,+5% Total Damage, +30% Health Regeneration, +30% Energy Regeneration" loving super dogges

EDIT: wait is Lucid Dream a loving passive???

EDIT 2: guiz i think i rely liek dreem
Psionic Touch + Psionic Burn seem way better than Calculated Strike + Lucky Hit. LH seems way too random to be useful, and requires you to like spread yourself really thin across the rogue tree. Psionic Burn seems to fit the sort of PBAoE + Hard Spike single target + Beast Mastery playstyle you're going for. Basically throw traps, summon nightmares, use PS to get into a mob, use DR to blast and stun, clickclickclick...
If you see a boss, Phantom Strike to them then Lethal Strike before clickclickclick

Yeah I'll probably respec a bit after I get a few more levels going. Calculated Strike and Lethal Strike are better than the equivalents with only a few skill points in them, but it ramps up so quick if you go all-in on Dream skills. I'll probably switch my shotgun over to the knives at some point because I like them way better.



Finally get to meet the Oracle and discover our fate. This is also our first opportunity to fix our skill selection mistakes and pick better stuff. Agent has already done some tweaking on his, but I might go back and rework a few of the skills I have taken so far. I think when I get a few more levels I'm also going to switch which active Dream buff I use, since I can only have one active at a time (class restriction).

Poil
Mar 17, 2007

Are there any restrictions on respecing?

Would it really have mattered if the bridge wasn't broken since you still have to go around it for the main quest anyway? :v:

Agent355
Jul 26, 2011


It costs ever more and more gold to respec point by point and you can never remove points spent on masteries.

It's cheap enough that you can fix builds on the fly but not so cheap that you can flat out rebuild a character from the ground floor for no cost.

Antistar01
Oct 20, 2013
The respec cost doubles for each point, doesn't it? I remember the cost becoming crippling pretty quickly; you don't want to be in a position where you feel like you need to do a major respec.

ssmagus
Apr 2, 2010
Assmagus, LPer ass-traordinaire
One thing that's annoying me is using the loot filter that still shows whites...

Also, Have any plans to invite some extra help to show off more builds?

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
I'd be down for punching goatmans.

Suspicious
Apr 30, 2005
You know he's the villain, because he's got shifty eyes.

ssmagus posted:

One thing that's annoying me is using the loot filter that still shows whites...

X filters out whites. Wish there was another key to filter out yellows.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all

Suspicious posted:

X filters out whites. Wish there was another key to filter out yellows.

That filter exists in Titan Quest 2 Grim Dawn.

mastersord
Feb 15, 2001

Gold Card Putty Fan Club
Member Since 2017!
Soiled Meat
I kept reminding myself of the pain and anguish this game brought me. The hand cramps and the cursing and screaming as everything one-shotted me 100,000 times. Yet I broke down and pulled out my old save file. I finished Epic difficulty tonight and started Legendary. My mouse and my hands hate you guys!

PureRok
Mar 27, 2010

Good as new.
Why does the sun rise in the West?

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all

PureRok posted:

Why does the sun rise in the West?

It is as Helios wills.

Blackmage Yapo
Mar 27, 2008

Odin You Sad I Have
All The SPP

ssmagus posted:

One thing that's annoying me is using the loot filter that still shows whites...

Also, Have any plans to invite some extra help to show off more builds?

It's just force of habit for me to use alt and the just broken filter. I'll try to switch to the only yellow+ filter.

Syncopated
Oct 21, 2010
lol just lol at implying that Warcraft 3 is bad Agent 355 you troll.

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Agent355
Jul 26, 2011


Warcraft 3 was like 20 years ago!

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