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Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

lol @ the concept of "Silicon Valley Left"

in order for you to consider the people in SV "leftists", you would have to be a cartoon libertarian from one of those forum quote stories

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Raere
Dec 13, 2007

NTP is important and he should be funded unless he's working on some useless fork because principles

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

Raere posted:

unless he's working on some useless fork because principles

as a matter of fact
https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/713901/4e6b2132350a06a3/

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

Sagebrush posted:

a cartoon libertarian from one of those forum quote stories

listen, this is clearly not your first go-round with esr

George
Nov 27, 2004

No love for your made-up things.

yes, yes!

jony ive aces
Jun 14, 2012

designer of the lomarf car


Buglord

double ohm seven posted:

oh not much, writing services no one wants, begging for cash to make it day-to-day
good

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe

hahaha of course, esr saw a chance to steal and bogart credit

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

George posted:

oh my god check the comments. first one is a dude telling him to get a job and it spirals out of control from there

someone needs to run the mcdonalds while the kids are at school :smug:

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
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Raere posted:

NTP is important and he should be funded unless he's working on some useless fork because principles
i thought systemd killed the ntp star

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2017-February/147391.html

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
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Open Source Safe Space

du -hast
Mar 12, 2003

BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT GENTOO
esr is a loving hack. Literally filth

du -hast
Mar 12, 2003

BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT GENTOO

du -hast posted:

esr is a loving hack. Literally filth
      /

neutral milf hotel
Oct 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

quote:

Some of the older Pythonistas will remember my previous time on this
list, and possibly that I faded away quietly under time pressure from
other projects and the whole being-famous nonsense.

I'm back, for now primarily to listen. I have some questions about the
future direction of Python which I'll bring up when I have time for
the vigorous discussion that will certainly ensue.
--
>>esr>>

code:
whole being-famous nonsense

DONT THREAD ON ME
Oct 1, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Floss Finder

BeOSPOS posted:

code:
whole being-famous nonsense


goddamn

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe
esr going on about "egoboo" in his book was really just an attempt at universalizing his own personality and motivations

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

i find the implication that anyone has read his book and know what you are talking about disturbing

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
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quote:

On that level, it is possible in principle that I could be persuaded by cool features and a winning cost-benefit ratio. Or even if somebody offered me a sufficiently huge pile of money — enough, say, to finance a space program run from a Bond-supervillain-style fortress on my own Caribbean island. But it doesn’t matter. Because there’s an emotional place where I have no give, and that is in is my visceral, steaming hatred of the production system that Microsoft exemplifies. I refuse to support it in any way, no matter how shiny the products look to other people. I will have no part of helping it do to the young, malleable, innocent programmers of today and tomorrow what was done to me and my peers.

Because two decades later, my scars still ache.
triggered

power botton
Nov 2, 2011

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

i find the implication that anyone has read his book and know what you are talking about disturbing

neutral milf hotel
Oct 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
how often do you think esr uses the term micro$oft

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

i find the implication that anyone has read his book and know what you are talking about disturbing

I not only read it, I have a copy of it :smug:

I have a book club and its a book people wanted to read :smith:

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe

BeOSPOS posted:

how often do you think esr uses the term micro$oft

Given the trend of Microsoft as of late, maybe never

esr hates the communism of FOSS and craves subverting open sores to a kind of capitalistic celebrity domain

Dr. Honked
Jan 9, 2011

eat it you slaaaaaaag

WINNINGHARD posted:

iirc eric s raymond has cerebral palsy

he's also crippled by being an aggressively stupid sack of poo poo

neutral milf hotel
Oct 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Dr. Honked posted:

he's also crippled by being an aggressively stupid sack of poo poo

"stupid sack of poo poo" is his middle name

Dr. Honked
Jan 9, 2011

eat it you slaaaaaaag
they call him TRIPLE S

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

Dr. Honked posted:

they call him TRIPLE S

politics like his you only need two

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
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fun fact: tim paterson, who retired around the age of 35 or so, used to have a tin cup tacked to his office door at microsoft because he read an article in the seattle times suggesting that they bought the DOS rights from him and left him in the gutter

GameCube
Nov 21, 2006


:gizz:

GameCube
Nov 21, 2006

fritz posted:

tron guy's trying to stem the tide

reminder: jay maynard jacks off to The Animaniacs

Hammerite
Mar 9, 2007

And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.
Jade Ear Joe

GameCube posted:

reminder: jay maynard jacks off to The Animaniacs

   is that baloney in your slacks or are you just pleased to see me?
  /
:wiggle:

graph
Nov 22, 2006

aaag peanuts

Hammerite posted:

   is that baloney in your slacks or are you just pleased to see me?
  /
:wiggle:

fingerprints

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
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raymond is the leading contributor to ntpsec so you can't necessarily say he's been slacking

otoh his commits don't seem particularly issue-driven compared to commits in the ntp project. he spends an undue amount of time on small-scale code hygiene and the build system

i kinda want him to take a job not just to pay the bills but to refresh his project management skills. as valuable as code hygiene is, someone with his level of exp should be able to take on more strategic improvements rather than piddling around c99 conversion

Plorkyeran
Mar 22, 2007

To Escape The Shackles Of The Old Forums, We Must Reject The Tribal Negativity He Endorsed
what makes you think that esr is capable of actually doing anything useful? piddling around with busywork has been basically his entire career.

power botton
Nov 2, 2011

Gazpacho posted:

raymond is the leading contributor to ntpsec so you can't necessarily say he's been slacking

otoh his commits don't seem particularly issue-driven compared to commits in the ntp project. he spends an undue amount of time on small-scale code hygiene and the build system

i kinda want him to take a job not just to pay the bills but to refresh his project management skills. as valuable as code hygiene is, someone with his level of exp should be able to take on more strategic improvements rather than piddling around c99 conversion

please state your sources

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
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he wrote the emacs vc driver and has contributed to it substantially over the years

admittedly this does point to a pattern in his behavior (spelled out in the cathedral and the bazaar) that he only wants to do work that seems helpful to him as a coder

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
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power botton posted:

please state your sources
commits

TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010


commit to continuing your post career elsewhere

Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



TOOT BOOT posted:

commit to continuing your post career elsewhere

DJ Commie
Feb 29, 2004

Stupid drivers always breaking car, Gronk fix car...

Sagebrush posted:

lol @ the concept of "Silicon Valley Left"

in order for you to consider the people in SV "leftists", you would have to be a cartoon libertarian from one of those forum quote stories

youd have to be esr then

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Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

GameCube posted:

reminder: jay maynard jacks off to The Animaniacs

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