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qirex: Feb 15, 2001

fritz posted:

tron guy kicked the whole thing off a week or so ago : https://medium.com/@jmaynard/mpga-d4b72ec08ed4

he's literally mad that people with different opinions exist and dare to want to go to an event

idk how the exact people who spend so much time and energy whinging about "snowflake culture" are all such whiny bitches

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FMguru: Sep 10, 2003; peed on;
sexually

qirex posted:

idk how the exact people who spend so much time and energy whinging about "snowflake culture" are all such whiny bitches

every accusation is a confession

# ? May 6, 2017 17:55

Doc Block: Apr 15, 2003; Fun Shoe

what a bunch of insufferable people

and LOL @ an overweight person like Susan Sons teaching a martial arts session.

# ? May 6, 2017 18:32

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

Doc Block posted:

what a bunch of insufferable people

and LOL @ an overweight person like Susan Sons teaching a martial arts session.

no no, she's teaching a marital arts session

# ? May 6, 2017 18:37

neutral milf hotel: Oct 9, 2001; by Fluffdaddy

esr is something special

https://twitter.com/CoralineAda/status/858488129266868225

http://lists.penguicon.org/pipermail/penguicon-general-penguicon.org/2017-May/000159.html

quote:

Coraline Ehmke has said to me, directly on Twitter, that "You should
feel unsafe." In context, that she desires me to feel unsafe.

https://twitter.com/CoralineAda/status/858488129266868225

That, gentlemen and ladies, was the mask slipping. In SJW-land,
there will never be "safe space" for those who oppose the commissars.

# ? May 6, 2017 19:24

rjmccall: Sep 7, 2007; no worries friend; Fun Shoe

FMguru posted:

every accusation is a confession

Jay Maynard posted:

Sumana Harihareswara, who I found out the hard way was a hard-core feminist as well;

# ? May 6, 2017 20:15

jony neuemonic: Nov 13, 2009

BeOSPOS posted:

esr is something special

https://twitter.com/CoralineAda/status/858488129266868225

http://lists.penguicon.org/pipermail/penguicon-general-penguicon.org/2017-May/000159.html

actually if you won't tolerate my bigotry, you're the bigots. checkmate sjws.

# ? May 6, 2017 20:36

George: Nov 27, 2004; No love for your made-up things.

look at these 1984 sjw thought police gestapo sjws telling me i should be afraid that history will frown on my essay calling brown people alien poo poo zombies

# ? May 6, 2017 21:10

aardvaard: Mar 4, 2013; you belong in the bog of eternal stench

a-ha! i have caught you in a web of your own lies! for you see: how can you claim to be tolerant - if you do not tolerate my intolerance????

# ? May 7, 2017 00:43

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

granted that some sjws don't know how to chill, anti-sjws respond by demonstrating that they, too, can refuse to chill

# ? May 7, 2017 05:11

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

best-selling authors should not be invited because your inclusion some how excludes me, the real sci if fan :colbert:

Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 05:53 on May 7, 2017

# ? May 7, 2017 05:51

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

lol if some half your age accuses you of being a bigot and you don't respond with "ok whatever"

# ? May 7, 2017 06:22

Suspicious: Apr 30, 2005; You know he's the villain, because he's got shifty eyes.

will someone please think of the middle age white men

# ? May 7, 2017 06:51

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

~~maynard~~ raymond is a tremendous tool but that doesn't mean people should feel at liberty to make veiled threats to his personal safety

Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 07:03 on May 7, 2017

# ? May 7, 2017 06:54

rjmccall: Sep 7, 2007; no worries friend; Fun Shoe

i still want to know what's the "hard way" of finding out that someone is a feminist

i assume it involves acting like a total rear end in a top hat and getting called out for it

# ? May 7, 2017 06:55

Cybernetic Vermin: Apr 18, 2005

Gazpacho posted:

~~maynard~~ raymond is a tremendous tool but that doesn't mean people should feel at liberty to make veiled threats to his personal safety

he "feels unsafe" because the event went out of its way to have unisex bathrooms. i think his right to personal safety, as he views it, is pretty much void here

# ? May 7, 2017 07:11

The Management: Jan 2, 2010; sup, bitch?

rjmccall posted:

i still want to know what's the "hard way" of finding out that someone is a feminist

i assume it involves acting like a total rear end in a top hat and getting called out for it

he was referring to his erection

# ? May 7, 2017 07:13

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

i don't care if his definition of "unsafe" is silly. throwing the same inflammatory language back at him, in public view, is irresponsible & not conducive to desired outcomes

# ? May 7, 2017 07:22

Cybernetic Vermin: Apr 18, 2005

Gazpacho posted:

i don't care if his definition of "unsafe" is silly. throwing the same inflammatory language back at him, in public view, is irresponsible & not conducive to desired outcomes

well, have fun uselessly wringing your hands for the benefit of the worst of humanity i guess

# ? May 7, 2017 07:45

Doc Block: Apr 15, 2003; Fun Shoe

rjmccall posted:

i still want to know what's the "hard way" of finding out that someone is a feminist

i assume it involves acting like a total rear end in a top hat and getting called out for it

he probably hit on her, got turned down, and probably assumed the reason she didn't respond well was because of feminism and not because she just wasn't interested and/or didn't care for his PUA poo poo.

Gazpacho posted:

i don't care if his definition of "unsafe" is silly. throwing the same inflammatory language back at him, in public view, is irresponsible & not conducive to desired outcomes

LOL it's obvious she didn't mean that someone should physically harm him, but you go right on ahead white knighting for esr

Doc Block fucked around with this message at 08:25 on May 7, 2017

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spankmeister: Jun 15, 2008

Doc Block posted:

what a bunch of insufferable people

and LOL @ an overweight person like Susan Sons teaching a martial arts session.

Excuse me, but fatshaming is explicitly forbidden in the penguincon code of conduct

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neutral milf hotel: Oct 9, 2001; by Fluffdaddy

mods plz rename me tron guy's package

# ? May 7, 2017 14:34

George: Nov 27, 2004; No love for your made-up things.

BeOSPOS posted:

mods plz rename me tron guy's package

its explicitly defined

# ? May 7, 2017 17:00

Agile Vector: May 21, 2007; scrum bored

Suspicious posted:

will someone please think of the middle age white men

bit early in the week for a new kelly comic

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big scary monsters: Sep 2, 2011; -~Ｓｋｕｌｌｗａｖｅ~-

"wrong side of history" is such a stupid phrase

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power botton: Nov 2, 2011

big scary monsters posted:

"wrong side of history" is such a stupid phrase

how does it feel to be on the wrong side of history

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JawnV6: Jul 4, 2004; So hot ...

ugh

# ? May 10, 2017 23:21

fritz: Jul 26, 2003

JawnV6 posted:

ugh

indeed : http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7524

# ? May 10, 2017 23:47

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what isn't esr up to?

# ? May 11, 2017 17:27

George: Nov 27, 2004; No love for your made-up things.

Actual contribution to free software projects

# ? May 11, 2017 17:42

Max Facetime: Apr 18, 2009

fritz posted:

indeed : http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7524

this is bad ... (reads on) ... this is worse !!

would Eric expect the King and Queen of Cheese to have male parts or female parts..?

# ? May 11, 2017 17:48

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

fritz posted:

indeed : http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7524

that's a shitton of comments, I'm surprised esr is "popular" like that

# ? May 11, 2017 18:07

The Management: Jan 2, 2010; sup, bitch?

hopefully he's up to his eyeballs in quick drying cement

# ? May 11, 2017 19:17

George: Nov 27, 2004; No love for your made-up things.

but guys, hes a calm and rational experimental mystic

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George posted:

yeah the jokes write themselves

finally catching up on this thread and :sbahj:

# ? May 11, 2017 22:33

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power botton posted:

how does it feel to be on the wrong side of history

# ? May 12, 2017 00:31

fritz: Jul 26, 2003

George posted:

but guys, hes a calm and rational experimental mystic

also a blogger for the libertarian science fiction society : http://lfs.org/blog/freedom-in-the-future-tense-a-political-history-of-sf/

# ? May 12, 2017 17:49

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

fritz posted:

indeed : http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7524

"programmer"

# ? May 12, 2017 17:54

fritz: Jul 26, 2003

charles stross, as seen at http://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/11889097.html

quote:

I am burned out on esr ever since the legendary Scottish Panel at the last San Jose worldcon. (I got to share a mike with his halitosis when he started ranting at China Mieville about pyramids of skulls.)

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fritz: Jul 26, 2003

i found this description of that panel btw

quote:

http://www.emcit.com/emcpr085.shtml
That Scottish Panel

One panel was so memorable that it deserves its own section. After all, it has already generated hundreds of messages on RASFF. Clearly it made a big impression on people.

The title of the panel was "Socialists in Kilts: Revolutionary Scottish SF � Banks Stross & MacLeod". Quite a mouthful, and quite a panel. As it turned out, the panelists did not include a single Scotsman, and only one Socialist, China Mi�ville. Charlie Stross was perhaps the most appropriate panelist, being mentioned in the title and living in Scotland. However, he did make a point of the fact that he was neither Scottish nor a Socialist. The other two panelists, presumably added to provide an alternative political view, were Laurence Person and Eric Raymond, both of whom are American Libertarians of the lunatic stripe. It was their arrogant and childish behavior that made the panel so notable.

Before going any further I should declare my own political interest. In Ken MacLeod terms I am closer to Anarcho-Capitalism than anything else. Dave Reid might have been a bastard, but he was right a lot of the time. Certainly I find New Mars far preferable to living under the iron jackboot of the Cassini Division. I have spent the last decade or so of my working life creating competitive markets in the electricity industry. I am, in short, the sort of person who, in less guarded moments, China will accuse of murdering babies in Africa. However, because I have to try to make Capitalism work in the real world, and in an industry where a perfectly competitive market is almost impossible, I am well aware of the practical difficulties involved. Messrs Person and Raymond, on the other hand, seemed to have no concept of practical issues at all. In fact they didn�t seem to care, as long as they had an opportunity to toss insults around. I have never been so ashamed of my own side in a political debate in all my life.

The format of the panel was established very early. Poor Charlie tried manfully to be responsible and sensible, and he did manage to get the mike for long enough to give a fascinating exposition of modern Scottish political history. China spent most of the panel trying not to explode, and not quite always succeeding. Person and Raymond behaved for much of the time like a couple of mischievous schoolboys poking at a caged lion with a very long stick. For the most part they had nothing constructive to say, but they took every opportunity to be snide, rude, insulting and otherwise badly behaved. They seemed to have no interest in civilized debate. Perhaps it is not surprising that two Americans would have no idea what Socialism is (or rather would assume that Socialism and Stalinism are identical and indivisible), even though they have the shining example of California to look at. But if Person and Raymond did know anything about political theory, they clearly had no great interest in displaying it.

The success of the panel seems to have been to a large extent a result of how badly two of the panelists behaved. That got people interested, and that got them talking about the actual subject. Practically, however, I only noted two things of interest arising from the panel. The first was a comment from Farah Mendlesohn along the lines of, "anyone who says, �Ken MacLeod believes� is at least 24 hours out of date". Whilst that may have been a little unfair to Ken, it certainly made the point that the Fall Revolution series is a debate, not a statement of belief. Person and Raymond persistently ignored this view, even after they had been beaten over the head with it several times.

The other thing I noticed (and I think I have Janet Lafler to thank for pointing this out) is that extremist Libertarians have one more thing in common with extremist Communists. Both of them believe that their political theory has been scientifically proven. In his few lucid moments, Raymond was fond of claiming how Hayek had "proved" that Socialism was unworkable, and that by implication Raymond�s own political ideas would inevitably triumph. In practice, of course, every political ideal is unworkable. Indeed politics would not exist if that were not the case. Anyone who believes otherwise has nothing useful to contribute to political debate.

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