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Did anyone ever figure out the actual ethnicity of the people with "feces colored skin" who terrified him at the parade
i think one of the previous times it came up the consensus choice was 'ethiopians'
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- fritz
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oh my god check the comments. first one is a dude telling him to get a job and it spirals out of control from there
tron guy's trying to stem the tide
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Jay Maynard on 2017-02-10 at 12:25:07 said:
Eric is bound not to be the only high-caliber techie whose age and politics render him unattractive to the Silicon Valley Left. Not only that, but I’m certain he’s far from the only one who refuses to have anything to do with the People’s Republic of Commiefornia.
We typically respond to something like this by saying “looks like a market opportunity!” If there’s tech talent out there that’s not being taken advantage of, then there should be money to be made by harnessing it, right?
Jay Maynard on 2017-02-10 at 20:17:53 said:
It also occurs to me that for political correctness to be used against the Left in employment, there must first be a set of desirable employers that aren’t controlled by the SJWs and not afraid to tell them to go pound sand.
Right now, these seem thin on the ground. Got any thoughts on how to reverse the situation?
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Feb 11, 2017 21:43
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unless he's working on some useless fork because principles
as a matter of fact
https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/713901/4e6b2132350a06a3/
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Feb 11, 2017 22:14
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a cartoon libertarian from one of those forum quote stories
listen, this is clearly not your first go-round with esr
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politics like his you only need two
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i get the impression that this esr guy is a narcissist
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These are dates that every hacker knew were important at the time, or shortly afterwards. I’ve tried to concentrate on milestones for which the date - or the milestone itself - seems to have later passed out of folk memory.
1961
MIT takes delivery of a PDP-1. The first recognizable ancestor of the hacker culture of today rapidly coalesces around it.
1969
Ken Thompson begins work on what will become Unix. First commercial VDT ships; it’s a glass TTY. First packets exchanged on the ARPANET, the direct ancestor of today’s Internet.
1970
DEC PDP-11 first ships; architectural descendants of this machine, including later Intel microprocessors, will come to dominate computing.
1973
Interdata 32 ships; the long 32-bit era begins [9]. Unix Edition 5 (not yet on the Interdata) escapes Bell Labs to take root at a number of educational institutions. The XEROX Alto pioneers the "workstation" - a networked personal computer with a high-resolution display and a mouse.
1975
First Altair 8800 ships. Beginning of heroic age of microcomputers. First 24x80 and 25x80 "smart" (addressable-cursor) VDTs. ARPANET declared "operational", begins to spread to major universities.
1976
"Lions' Commentary on UNIX 6th Edition, with Source Code" released. First look into the Unix kernel source for most hackers, and was a huge deal in those pre-open-source days.
1977
Unix ported to the Interdata. First version with a kernel written largely in C rather than machine-dependent assembler.
1978
First BBS launched - CBBS, in Chicago.
1981
First IBM PC ships. End of the heroic age of micros. TCP/IP is implemented on a VAX-11/780 under 4.1BSD Unix; ARPANET and Unix cultures begin to merge.
1982
Sun Microsystems founded. Era of commercial Unix workstations begins.
1983
PDP-10 canceled. This is effectively the end of 36-bit architectures anywhere outside of deep mainframe country, though Symbolics Lisp machines hold out a while longer. ARPANET, undergoing some significant technical changes, becomes Internet.
1984
AT&T begins a largely botched attempt to commercialize Unix, clamping down on access to source code. In the BBS world, FidoNet is invented.
1985
RMS published GNU Manifesto. This is also roughly the year the C language became the dominant lingua franca of both systems and applications programming, eventually displacing earlier compiled language so completely that they are almost forgotten.
1986
Intel 386 ships; end of the line for 8- and 16-bit PCs. Consumer-grade hardware in this class wouldn’t be generally available until around 1989, but after that would rapidly surpass earlier 32-bit minicomputers in and workstations capability.
1991
Linux and the World Wide Web are (separately) launched.
1992
Bit-mapped color displays with a dot pitch matching that of a monochrome VDT (and a matching ability to display crisp text at 80x25) ship on consumer-grade PCs. Bottom falls out of the VDT market.
1993
Linux gets TCP/IP capability, moves from hobbyist’s toy to serious OS. America OnLine offers USENET access to its uses; "September That Never Ended" begins.
1994
Mass-market Internet takes off in the U.S. USB promulgated.
1995-1996
Peak years of UUCP/USENET and the BBS culture, then collapse under pressure from mass-market Internet.
1997
I first give the "Cathedral and Bazaar" talk.
1999
Peak year of the dot-com bubble. End of workstation era: Market for Suns and other proprietary Unix workstations collapses under pressure from Linux running on PCs.
2005
Major manufacturers cease production of cathode-ray tubes in favor of flat-panel displays. Flat-panels have been ubiquitous on new hardware since about 2003. There is a brief window until about 2007 during which high-end CRTs no longer in production still exceed the resolution of flat-panel displays and are still sought after. Also in 2005, AOL drops USENET support and Endless September ends.
2007-2008
64-bit transition in mass market PCs; the 32-bit era ends. Single-processor speeds plateau at 4±0.25GHz. iPhone and Android (both with Unix-based OSes) first ship.
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quote:
>“The road of life is rocky and you may stumble too; so while you point your finger, someone else is judging you.”
Yes, but that fails to concern me. Judgment is necessary.
For evil to triumph it suffices that good men do nothing. For evil ideas like totalitarian collectivism to triumph, it suffices for nobody to point out that left politics is morally imbecilic and leads to mass death whenever it is seriously applied.
When I eat an animal, it is not a sophont that suffers. (This is why I’m careful about possible borderline cases like dolphins, elephants, and cephalopods.) Jeff’s politics, on the other hand, are a royal road to the worst evils in human history, sophont suffering and death on a scale that would have been unimaginable before Marxism reached its full, hideous, and inevitable flowering.
Don’t try to tell me these things are equivalent.
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Feb 18, 2017 19:01
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"the heroic age of micros" aka the period when you could pass yourself off as a big shot without much to show for it. much like eric raymond
in no surprise about esr's analysis, he has it ending in 1981, aka one year before the commodore 64 came out
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Feb 18, 2017 21:21
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quote:
But I have a very, very discriminating ear (the kind you find in pro studio engineers and really serious audiophiles) that among other things effortlessly separates parts in multilayered instrumentation. When I was in bands I was the guy who could always hear when somebody was a quarter-tone off tune. When I remember music I remember it with details others often barely notice, like pick-scrape noises in the guitar solos.
( http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7391 )
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Mar 6, 2017 21:33
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http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7408
Similarly, when you see me doing things with historical-scale consequences and making it look easy, you’re not seeing the years of practice and effort I put in on the component skills (chopping wood, drawing water). Learning to write well. Learning to speak well. Getting enough grasp on what makes people tick that you know how to lead them. Learning enough about your culture that you can be a prophet, speak its deepest yearnings and its highest aspirations to it, bringing to consciousness what was unconscious before. These are learnable skills – almost certainly anyone reading this is bright enough to acquire them – but they’re not easy at all.
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Mar 11, 2017 17:31
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ha one of those libertarian goobers in the thread is jay Maynard aka Tron Guy
tron guy kicked the whole thing off a week or so ago : https://medium.com/@jmaynard/mpga-d4b72ec08ed4
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indeed : http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7524
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May 10, 2017 23:47
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but guys, hes a calm and rational experimental mystic
also a blogger for the libertarian science fiction society : http://lfs.org/blog/freedom-in-the-future-tense-a-political-history-of-sf/
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charles stross, as seen at http://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/11889097.html
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I am burned out on esr ever since the legendary Scottish Panel at the last San Jose worldcon. (I got to share a mike with his halitosis when he started ranting at China Mieville about pyramids of skulls.)
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i found this description of that panel btw
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http://www.emcit.com/emcpr085.shtml
That Scottish Panel
One panel was so memorable that it deserves its own section. After all, it has already generated hundreds of messages on RASFF. Clearly it made a big impression on people.
The title of the panel was "Socialists in Kilts: Revolutionary Scottish SF – Banks Stross & MacLeod". Quite a mouthful, and quite a panel. As it turned out, the panelists did not include a single Scotsman, and only one Socialist, China Miéville. Charlie Stross was perhaps the most appropriate panelist, being mentioned in the title and living in Scotland. However, he did make a point of the fact that he was neither Scottish nor a Socialist. The other two panelists, presumably added to provide an alternative political view, were Laurence Person and Eric Raymond, both of whom are American Libertarians of the lunatic stripe. It was their arrogant and childish behavior that made the panel so notable.
Before going any further I should declare my own political interest. In Ken MacLeod terms I am closer to Anarcho-Capitalism than anything else. Dave Reid might have been a bastard, but he was right a lot of the time. Certainly I find New Mars far preferable to living under the iron jackboot of the Cassini Division. I have spent the last decade or so of my working life creating competitive markets in the electricity industry. I am, in short, the sort of person who, in less guarded moments, China will accuse of murdering babies in Africa. However, because I have to try to make Capitalism work in the real world, and in an industry where a perfectly competitive market is almost impossible, I am well aware of the practical difficulties involved. Messrs Person and Raymond, on the other hand, seemed to have no concept of practical issues at all. In fact they didn’t seem to care, as long as they had an opportunity to toss insults around. I have never been so ashamed of my own side in a political debate in all my life.
The format of the panel was established very early. Poor Charlie tried manfully to be responsible and sensible, and he did manage to get the mike for long enough to give a fascinating exposition of modern Scottish political history. China spent most of the panel trying not to explode, and not quite always succeeding. Person and Raymond behaved for much of the time like a couple of mischievous schoolboys poking at a caged lion with a very long stick. For the most part they had nothing constructive to say, but they took every opportunity to be snide, rude, insulting and otherwise badly behaved. They seemed to have no interest in civilized debate. Perhaps it is not surprising that two Americans would have no idea what Socialism is (or rather would assume that Socialism and Stalinism are identical and indivisible), even though they have the shining example of California to look at. But if Person and Raymond did know anything about political theory, they clearly had no great interest in displaying it.
The success of the panel seems to have been to a large extent a result of how badly two of the panelists behaved. That got people interested, and that got them talking about the actual subject. Practically, however, I only noted two things of interest arising from the panel. The first was a comment from Farah Mendlesohn along the lines of, "anyone who says, ‘Ken MacLeod believes’ is at least 24 hours out of date". Whilst that may have been a little unfair to Ken, it certainly made the point that the Fall Revolution series is a debate, not a statement of belief. Person and Raymond persistently ignored this view, even after they had been beaten over the head with it several times.
The other thing I noticed (and I think I have Janet Lafler to thank for pointing this out) is that extremist Libertarians have one more thing in common with extremist Communists. Both of them believe that their political theory has been scientifically proven. In his few lucid moments, Raymond was fond of claiming how Hayek had "proved" that Socialism was unworkable, and that by implication Raymond’s own political ideas would inevitably triumph. In practice, of course, every political ideal is unworkable. Indeed politics would not exist if that were not the case. Anyone who believes otherwise has nothing useful to contribute to political debate.
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