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Jesus Christ, this plot looks extremely stupid. I'm really glad I skipped out on the Fates trilogy.
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Feb 18, 2017 05:13
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The best way to explain some of the plot beats in Fates is that the writing process feels like the ending of a plot thread was written first, then the process of reaching that ending was written. Take what just happened, for instance. The plot thread has been structured to end on "Mikoto dies shielding her child from the shrapnel of an exploding magical sword after being reunited for the first time in years." and then went about writing how the story gets there (all of chapter 4 and the lead-in to this chapter). Except, anyone who has written even a short story will tell you that is not how you write story progression. Mikoto was only just introduced to us as a character in the last chapter, let alone as Corrin's biological mother. And now she's dead, because the plot thread's ending has already been written and that is where the story must go. Had this happened as say, the conclusion to the first act, it would not be as bad as it is. We would have had time to know Mikoto and perhaps learn more about what happened to Corrin in the past. But this chapter is essentially part 5 of the game's prologue, and now this important named character that we just met has died. We have had almost no time to get to know Mikoto and now the player is expected to feel sad that this person is dead because of her selfless sacrifice to protect her child. The problem is that Mikoto's death comes off as pointless and leaves the player confused as to what is going on, thus undermining her death's impact greatly.
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Feb 18, 2017 05:23
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What even the gently caress is going on. I mean, I can see that knockoff Soul Edge exploded and Corrin is the anatomically hosed dragons, but why did any of that happen and what was the point of it.
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Feb 18, 2017 05:39
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AradoBalanga posted:The best way to explain some of the plot beats in Fates is that the writing process feels like the ending of a plot thread was written first, then the process of reaching that ending was written. And, as is often the case in Fates, Awakening is around to play Gallant. While Emmeryn isn't the most interesting character in the game, she's around for long enough that the player knows her, and more importantly, probably cares about characters connected to her and has a stake in their reactions. Emm dying wasn't just about her. It was about what it did to Chrom, Frederick, and Lissa. Moreover, her death lead directly into some big narrative beats, rather than being almost forgotten once it was done. It had room to breathe. Meanwhile, Fates just rushes through the opening to get to The Big Decision it's always playing up, and it means nothing feels like it has weight.
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AradoBalanga posted:The best way to explain some of the plot beats in Fates is that the writing process feels like the ending of a plot thread was written first, then the process of reaching that ending was written. I'd say that's only half the problem, with the other half being 'not enough plot development time.' It is possible to write a story ending and then fill in the steps leading to that ending (heck that's pretty much the outlining stage) but afterwards you're supposed to flesh out everything. The game hasn't given itself enough time to do that properly (timeskip over boring stuff is fine but I was expecting another battle of sorts before stuff hit the fan like this.) Like Clockwork posted:What even the gently caress is going on. King Garron's evil plan to finally end this dang stalemate that slows down his  is thus:Step 1: Kidnap the Prince of the enemy country during peace talks (bonus: kill the King too he's a non-evil prick.) Step 2: ??? (probably and why Corrin is some weird dragon-mummy-antlered thing)Step 3: Make sure said prince is strong enough to survive normal battle, then give him a Soul Edge and send him on a border mission. Step 4: Said mission is a coverup to Incite an incident on the border so that the Prince can be re-captured by the enemy by any means necessary, including subterfuge and crazy Soul Edge antics if needed. Step 5: Send Giant Zombie Golems to distract the enemy from the one that matters (who is homing in on the Soul Edge for reasons.)Step 6: Have the one that matters use the Soul Edge to kill/sufficiently injure the Queen so the barrier drops and and hostilities can begin in earnest. Now Nohr is going to invade in earnest and the introductory prologue battle will happen again and then we'll get the cutscenes and the flashbacks and oh no stable time loop! EponymousMrYar fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Feb 18, 2017 |
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Feb 18, 2017 06:04
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chiasaur11 posted:And, as is often the case in Fates, Awakening is around to play Gallant.
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Feb 18, 2017 06:21
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Cythereal posted:Huh. Interesting. I'd assumed the series took the usual Japanese stance of "And then they grew out of being queer when they became adults, the end." The real crime is that they brought up the impligaytions in FE7 but didn't mention Legault/Heath, for shame 
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Feb 18, 2017 06:33
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Okay, been following this for a bit, but haven't actually weighed in yet. Anyone mind if I fix that with my interpretation of a couple lines from the game's theme song, Lost In Thoughts All Alone? I'll make sure I stick to the ones that have actually come up thus far, don't worry.
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Feb 18, 2017 06:44
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Part 2  It's an ancient dragon. I never thought I'd see the day.  Watch out for enemies carrying Wyrmslayers! They're a type of blade designed to pierce dragon scales-and they work!Uh, thanks Azura...? Alright, lesse how Corrin is doing  Well, aren't you a big boy? Draconic Rage is a 15 mt weapon that can't double, but who cares. That is more powerful than most weapons in the entire game.  Azura is your typical Dancer except with a lance. Healing Descant-Allies within 2 spaces heal 10% hp at the start of turn Luck+4  Ryoma is facing off against the killer, which shouldn't be a problem because Ryo is broken as fu-  -uuuh? The hell, those are like 20/20 endgame stats. He's got a Kodachi equipped, which is a 1-2 sword equivalent of the Hand Axe and Javelin. All three of these reduce your speed by 5, can't double, and can't proc crits or abilities. They super nerfed them to make the actual ranged weapons better (except Hidden Weapons are busted, but hey baby steps). Sidenote, I got confused with steel weapons reducing speed. They reduce your ability to do doubles, the 1-2 generic melee weapons straight up make you slower.  Dark Mages are in Fates with a new ability called Malefic Aura-Enemies within a 2 tile radius receive 2 extra damage from magical attacks.  So, we have a problem here. The two mercs on the middle-left can basically one-shot everyone but Corrin. The pair-up on the bottom both have Wyrmslayers which combined with the mage, can kill Corrin easily.  The right side isn't that much better, because Corrin still dies to the Wyrmslayer+mage combo. The plan is to stack everyone outside the enemy range and bumrush it to make some space. Corrin can one-shot all the enemies, which will be key to survival.   Heh heh heh.... He has reason to laugh. Ryo has absolutely no chance against this guy. Thankfully nothing happens if he loses the duel, so don't feel too rushed to save him.  So these enemies we're facing aren't normal. They turn invisible-ish during combat like spirits.  Be careful, everyone! These enemies are no mere Faceless. One wrong move and they're perfectly capable of ending you. I hope we can count on Corrin even in this new form... Corrin takes out the Wyrmslayer, then Kaze gets support from Rinkah to build up some guard meter so he can be more resilient for the left side.  This turn's an easy clean-up with Corrin taking out one, and Kaze taking out the other with Azura's help. Corrin gains like 3 EXP per kill, so there's real no benefit to having him solo everything.  "Strength," he says  I like the battle damage details Fate has, as Ryo's head gear fell off while being down to critical damage.  Oh by the way, he's defeated next turn  You can kill me, but you cannot kill the spirit of Hoshido! Brother, no! You have to step back! We can't afford to lose you... Ugh...you're right. I'll retreat for now...The leader just hangs around and doesn't move once he defeats Ryoma, so the mission is just to clear out the rest of the mooks for now.  Kaze takes on the approaching mages with a full guard meter, clearing out the more difficult equation of the combo.  Dark Mage reinforcements arrive in the corners circled on the map, but it'll take them a turn to reach us.  Kaze chips in for extra EXP since the Wyrmslayer can't kill Corrin in one turn, so the risk is worth it.  Yay, actual strength.  Azura gains like 15 exp every turn, so she'll eventually be one of our highest level units. Not like that'll actually matter stat-wise since Dancers are still frail as hell, but at least her level cap is 40.  A few turns later, Corrin reaches the killer and shows that he too has endgame stats. Show me what you got. Heh heh heh.... Sakura got a level because Corrin kept missing way more than he should.  Finally goes down after like 6 turns. Urgh...Not bad. heh. Heh. Heh... Where's my goddamn defense https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zKogAqZzsM   Suddenly, there's singing   Do NOT interrupt singing!!   Oh, Corrin no like singing  Still singing  I think he made it clear about his opinion on your singing by now  Kill me if you want, but...do it as yourself.What's the count on "kill me to save yourself" cause I feel like it's been a few  Seriously, what kind of dragon is that with no face   
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Feb 18, 2017 06:45
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...Come to think of it, I think that dragon's face looks more like an orca's or something. Is Corrin turning into a whale with legs or something?
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Feb 18, 2017 06:53
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CptWedgie posted:...Come to think of it, I think that dragon's face looks more like an orca's or something. Is Corrin turning into a whale with legs or something? I always thought he looked like a deer.
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Feb 18, 2017 06:57
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Corrin's dragon form looks like some kind of lame tryhard legendary pokemon from a romhack. Also Fates may have a bad plot but the gameplay is aces. 
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Feb 18, 2017 07:00
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Junpei posted:I always thought he looked like a deer. I can understand that, but the FACE just screams "whale" to me now that I've had a good look at it. Besides, this isn't a real creature we're talking about- whale-faced deer aren't even remotely outside the realms of possibility, I'd say.
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Feb 18, 2017 07:01
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i like the dragon design, it's very different from any of the other manakete, and looks really alien and off-putting
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Feb 18, 2017 07:02
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The dragon's design is fine, if a bit ungainly. It's the human form that has terrible design.
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Something slightly interesting about Ryoma's fight with the boss: I've played this chapter a bunch of times, and I have never seen Ryoma get hit until at least 3 turns in (On Lunatic at least, that is the only difficulty I play extensively). I have no way to know for sure, but I think the RNG is altered for that fight to ensure Ryoma lives for at least a bit. It is possible I just have strange luck when it comes to that particular part of the game (Ryoma has a ~70% chance of being hit when he is attacked, and a ~40% chance of being hit when he initiates the attack, so it isn't too crazy to not see him get hit for awhile). But the 1st couple of turns are so consistent, I have to imagine something is up. I have seen Ryoma survive exactly one time, after he is done with the boss, he runs around killing everything else. The only thing you get for is less EXP, I don't even remember there being an extra line of dialogue, so you're better off if Ryoma fails.
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Feb 18, 2017 07:48
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Say what you want about the story in Fates, but the gameplay is up their with the best in the series.
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Feb 18, 2017 09:53
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Get used to that song, by the end of three games you will have no doubt who the ocean's gray waves are. And it will be stuck in your head forever. On the note of little game details, at the start when you tease Leo about his cloak being inside out? I think there's a tag on the back of his collar, but I haven't been able to get a clear look at his back to conform it's not something on his normal model. E: just confirmed. His cowl is black with a purple inside, and in that scene the purple side is out complete with visible stitching and a tag.   
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Feb 18, 2017 09:59
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loving love Fiona Apple posted:Say what you want about the story in Fates, but the gameplay is up their with the best in the series. Conquest, maybe. Birthright and Revelation? Well. We can discuss that when we get there, I suppose. Game's handing out mechanics a bit slow to comment much on them.
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I forget if you mentioned this, but in Fates enemies that have weapons that are effective against the unit you're moving have a red exclamation point above their heads. It's really, really nice and I miss this feature playing other Fire Emblem games.
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Feb 18, 2017 19:56
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AradoBalanga posted:Except, anyone who has written even a short story will tell you that is not how you write story progression. Mikoto was only just introduced to us as a character in the last chapter, let alone as Corrin's biological mother. And now she's dead, because the plot thread's ending has already been written and that is where the story must go. The worst part is that this isn't the only time Fates plays the "character you don't give a poo poo about dies and it's treated like a big deal" card
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Part 3 So that whole thing happened.  Wait, more plot!  *huff* *huff* Ughhh....I...I finally remember! I remember....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG-D0KEFVgQ   I can't believe murder king dad is a murder king!  Apparently a billion arrows isn't enough, gotta double-tap with the axe!  Wait, isn't Mikoto alive still  BAD TOUCH  Are you all right, Corrin? Yes, I'm fine. Just disgusted with myself. Are you OK? I can't believe what I just did to you. It was like...I had no control over myself. Please don't worry about it. That wasn't you. It was the blood of the ancient dragon that runs in your veins. I thought only the Nohrian royal family had dragon blood. And the blood of the Dawn Dragon runs through ours.  But you're special, Corrin. You can actually take the form of a dragon. I've heard of such a thing. But this is my first time seeing it in real life... ... Never mind me. What happened to all the innocent people in town? That didn't all come from that one explosion, right? Hoshido getting a little lazy with super magical barrier on all the time. I can't believe this. The entire town...devastated. An hour ago these streets were filled with vendors and children and... So you see, Corrin. This is the work of the Nohrians. This is what they do. Let me guess. That sword you carried...was it a gift from King Garron? Yes.WHY DID YOU STILL CARRY THE SWORD THAT LITERALLY THREW YOU OFF A CLIFF "Hey, this sword of mine floated and plunged me down into the bottomless canyon, CAN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THIS????" He masterminded this whole thing. It's not your fault. He knew you'd be captured and brought before the queen...He PLANNED for Lilith to turn into a dragon and save Corrin, therefore Rinkah or someone will just take him alive back to Hoshido??? What?  WHAT  Your apology means NOTHING. ... This is all your fault! Mother is dead, along with countless others. And it wouldn't have happened if you hadn't showed up on our doorstep. You don't belong here! Enough, Takumi! Your words won't change anything. And besides- Shut up, Azura! You're no different than Corrin. An interloper. ... Takumi... Don't speak my name. I don't ever want to see you again. Are we really to believe you had no idea this would happen?Well he's either a mastermind or really loving stupid. They don't know it's the latter.  Takumi, what are you saying? Knock it off! You just saw Corrin help us defeat those Nohrian soldiers! Takumi, please. You must listen. Corrin is your brother. If you don't trust me, that's one thing. But Corrin is your own blood. Mother is dead. Thanks to him. He's not my brother.Actually, you are the only one with remotely the same hair color as Corrin. Technically....  If would be better if I'd never come here-maybe I should just leave. Please wait. I don't believe that's what Queen Mikoto would have wanted. What would you know about it, Yukimura? What do you mean? Did she say something to you? I hate to deliver this news, but....Don't do the "she foresaw her own death" cliche  ...... This isn't your fault, Corrin. King Garon set these events in motion. And the queen speculated that there may be an even darker force at work. She didn't know when or how death would strike, only that it was certain. And there's one other thing. Please take a look at that statue.  Was that inside the statue or something? It can't be... It is. The divine sword Yato. Much like your weapon, Ryoma. The divine Raijinto....And your Fujin Yumi, Takumi....Yato may be wielded by only a singular warrior. One who is chosen by the blade itself. The key to peace... Hey guess what   It's a miracle! Impossible. Corrin, do you know what this means? Corrin? Are you listening? Can you h-hear us? Yato is a slightly weaker steel sword with no drawback, and has the usual katana bonuses of +1 SPD, -1 DEF/RES.   A massive Nohrian force is gathering at our border. This is the final straw. I have worked hard to avoid an all-out war, but now... Death is too good for them. Who's with me? But I feel I must follow Ryoma to the border. If I can help avert total war... Wait, Corrin! There's something you need to know. If you become embroiled in a fight right now, it would be easy to lose control. Your dragon blood could take over again. And if you yield completely to the dragon, you may lose your humanity altogether. Is there anything I can do? Oh, he's a Manakete now. It will allow you to control the dragon's power and still return to your human form. Now, please close your eyes... Very well...  There. You should be OK now. This Dragonstone is now attuned to you. Be sure to keep it safe. Thank you, Azura. I don't know what I'd do without you. Oh! Um... I'm sorry. Did I make you uncomfortable? I know we've known each other only a short while, but I feel close to you. You already risked your life to help calm my dragon form. I only hope I can repay the favor someday. 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Bruceski posted:Get used to that song, by the end of three games you will have no doubt who the ocean's gray waves are. And it will be stuck in your head forever. At least it doesn't come up quite as often as a certain physical maneuver with the messengers of god in Ace Combat 6.
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The music for this chapter is good. Also worth noting: this is the only place that can give you a "Lord dies" game over on Casual mode, since Dragon Corrin and Ryoma are the only ones with a chance against the boss.
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Okay, since nobody's told me not to, I'll post my lyrical interpretations as they come up from here on. I'll be skipping the chorus, though, since it's a bit vague. First off, the stuff that's already happened: "In the white light, a hand reaches through" This probably refers to the Avatar meeting Mikoto in Hoshido. "A double-edged blade cuts your heart in two" Ganglari. Definitely Ganglari. Specifically, how it exploded and killed Mikoto. "Waking dreams fade away" At first I thought it might just be a reference to how the Nohrians aren't the Avatar's family, but being reminded of that flashback makes me think it might be more specifically a reference to when they remember Garon kidnapping them.
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Tae posted:He PLANNED for Lilith to turn into a dragon and save Corrin, therefore Rinkah or someone will just take him alive back to Hoshido??? What? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2ZQxEzqA5s&t=113s
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AradoBalanga posted:I mention this because you can still buy them like normal items, despite being unable to sell them. Because... Because there's a way to get three Dragonstone users at once, but only two of them have a stone by default.
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MightyPretenders posted:Because there's a way to get three Dragonstone users at once, but only two of them have a stone by default.
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Can Ryoma actually win that fight or with RNG luck or are the numbers scripted on it?
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cokerpilot posted:Can Ryoma actually win that fight or with RNG luck or are the numbers scripted on it? He can, someone else mentioned it happening on their playthrough.
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ReturnOfFable posted:Jesus Christ, this plot looks extremely stupid. I'm really glad I skipped out on the Fates trilogy. Oh the plot gets dumber. Just note that Corrin is the biggest name ever tool you could imagine getting a lead role.
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RareAcumen posted:He can, someone else mentioned it happening on their playthrough. As someone who started up his very first run of this game today, I see it happening. Ryoma got the boss to a few hp left before I "secured" the kill. It is one thing to see the story of this game in LP form, it is another to experience it on your own. The first five chapters have been... something.
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cokerpilot posted:Can Ryoma actually win that fight or with RNG luck or are the numbers scripted on it? I replayed chapter 5 like a dozen times because it's been a while since I played Birthright style (Getting Kaze+Rinkah EXP). Ryo always survives at least 3 turns, and anything after that is RNG.
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Krumbsthumbs posted:As someone who started up his very first run of this game today, I see it happening. Ryoma got the boss to a few hp left before I "secured" the kill. Don't worry. It gets worse.
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Camel Pimp posted:I forget if you mentioned this, but in Fates enemies that have weapons that are effective against the unit you're moving have a red exclamation point above their heads. It's really, really nice and I miss this feature playing other Fire Emblem games. It's in FE Heroes, and in that, if you have an effective weapon, a green exclamation point is above the enemies that are weak to it.
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The annoying thing is that the stats screen no longer shows what you're vulnerable to. Is that berserker, covered head-to-toe in heavy armor, weak to an armorslayer? Have to walk up and check (nope). Feels like a "two forward one back" sort of change.
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Trust me, Corrin is not the only stupid character here. Sure, he's incredibly stupid, but behind every great idiot there are a ton of enablers. Looking forward to seeing these games as I got stuck in Conquest.
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