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theshim
May 1, 2012

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Tae posted:

There may be soldiers lying in wait for you...
I understand. I'll be ready for them.


Great job there, champ.

Fates is an interesting set of issues and experiments piled into three games which are one game. There's a lot to say about it, and I look forward to the LP.

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theshim
May 1, 2012

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RareAcumen posted:

The problem is finding good ones. Because if people can do whatever you can end up with Stella Glow and I can't think of any other ones from the 2010's.

Endorph posted:

I liked Stella Glow more than 2/3rds of Fates.
I'll probably regret asking, but was Stella Glow any good at all?

theshim
May 1, 2012

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Tae posted:



Paper: E rank. 1 mt. 1-2 range. +1 SPD, bronze weapon properties.

Bronze weapon, with +1 SPD because Hoshido.
Paper is actually better than a bronze weapon for two reasons. The first is that it actually gives +10 Avoid, not just the Dodge of bronze weapons, and second in that it can still crit and activate skills.

There's a joke weapon of each type, but in Fates they can actually be really good.

theshim
May 1, 2012

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Camel Pimp posted:

Yeah, there really is no reason to use Mozu as anything but an archer. But holy is she an amazing archer. At 20/20, she's probably the best if you just look at the stats, but Takumi still has the Fujin Yumi advantage. Still, you can just field both, since they're both good and archers are quite good in this game in general. The only real downside is that archer skills really aren't that hot, but Mozu's Villager class line has good skills in it, so she can do a quick detour to get those.
I like to give Mozu one of those Dread Scrolls from the bonus rewards for buying all the paths, though I acknowledge it's a bit cheaty. Instantly gives her a big ol' boost to her base stats, and lets her use shuriken on top of that.

theshim
May 1, 2012

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I actually did a run of Birthright on Hard focused entirely around Orochi's Capture mechanic, to the point that she and Corrin were the only regular units I used. It was surprisingly interesting!

theshim
May 1, 2012

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Apply boot to Hana

Apply robe to Corrin

theshim
May 1, 2012

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Bronze/Brass weapons can also be extremely effective in chokepoints, since not only are they lower damage, they're reliable lower damage, so you don't have to deal with situation of your choker critting or procing skills and opening up the way for more enemies to overwhelm them, which has happened to most likely all of us at one point or another.

theshim
May 1, 2012

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It's a nice little callback there, when Zola got all huffy about them knocking his impersonation :v: Izana's fun, though I wish he got a little more screentime.

theshim
May 1, 2012

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Endorph posted:

you could beat birthright with nothing but captured generics (I should know, I've done it) and those dudes are almost always worse than actual units.
:same:

A surprisingly interesting run, especially thanks to weird curves and stretches of time you can't capture units. Chapter 12 was actually one of the hardest chapters because your guys are bad and the first promoted enemies show up. That said, if you can capture a Great Knight here, he'll carry you for a huge chunk of the game :v:

theshim
May 1, 2012

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Daniela is okay. Her stats are pretty bad, though she has good Luck and decent Def for a mage unit, and Savage Blow can help a lot in softening up formations. You don't get a lot of captured units in Birthright with funky skills they're not supposed to have, sadly.

Tae posted:



He finally gained defense while confusingly gained speed again. I have to calculate averages at some point because this seems very unlikely to have speed be his highest stat.



Oboro duels with a Hero, gaining another great level. She's just straight up good even without the Guard Naginata boosting her defenses at this point.
It's great that these are right next to each other, because it allows us to appreciate the fact that Oboro is tied or better in every non-Magic stat with Corrin, except...yep, you guessed it. Speed.

theshim
May 1, 2012

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It's worth pointing out the some promoted classes give passive boosts as well. Swordmaster, for instance, gives +10 avoid and crit.

Because Ryoma wasn't busted enough, you see.

theshim
May 1, 2012

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See, if the whole game had dialogue like this, we'd be much better off.

Also, I want to see some Steroid Redemption, as well as some of the DLC classes.

theshim
May 1, 2012

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I'm okay with Dread Fighter Rinkah being given one more shot at not sucking it up!

Also Great Lord Orochi is a monster and another fun thing is Lodestar Ryoma. He's not dumb enough yet, let's slap Aether on him. He also looks astonishingly silly in Marth's clothes with his hair and helmet.

theshim
May 1, 2012

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Okay, Rinkah's making those stat boosters worthwhile, fair enough. I'm also impressed by how much pain she's putting out with the Bolt Axe, though I guess her personal skill helps there.

It's also kind of funny because Dread Fighter actually has worse growths in HP, Strength and Defense then Oni Savage does.

theshim
May 1, 2012

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Yeah, it was the fact that she was putting up those numbers against Maids with their higher Res that was impressive.

theshim
May 1, 2012

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Really, the goddamn dumbest part is the fact that literal pregnancy and birth can occur between chapters, like the one where you're running from Xander. I know it's intended to be gameplay/story segregation but god almighty is it terrible at it.

On the other hand, Master of Arms animations are sweet as hell. Spear Master gets some good ones too.

theshim
May 1, 2012

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There's a couple Beruka portraits in there.

Which are admittedly hilarious, but still.

theshim
May 1, 2012

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Also, fun thing: compare Kana's level 20 stats:



With Corrin's:



She actually stacks up quite favorably. Admittedly, some of that might be due to your Corrin's horrible fear of his Def growth.

theshim
May 1, 2012

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Lord Koth posted:

If said someone had just managed to get Lucina, I'd have an easier time believing you. At least Lucina joins during the story, and someone could had just somehow not gotten Chrom a single support point with any of his marriage options (resulting in village girl) so no nodes would appear on the map. And then never managed to get a single S rank with anyone else either. Incredulous perhaps, but at least I could see that.

Whereas I have incredible trouble believing someone got Morgan from a node that popped up on the map after a marriage, and never thought "gee, look at all this blank space on the map, I wonder if there might be more." There's something of a limit to wilful ignorance if you're older than like 12.
Or they married female Robin and Chrom?

Just a thought.

theshim
May 1, 2012

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And, thanks to Azura being his mother, has all the durability of a wet paper towel.

theshim
May 1, 2012

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There's an "Azurasing" and an "azurahappy" in there, you might want to fix.

Dunk on the next map, play it legit in Conquest (and capture the boss!)

theshim
May 1, 2012

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blizzardvizard posted:

Oh, that's not too bad. Almost natural, even.

E: ^lol

I dunno, the "boyfriend" context makes it more palatable for me personally.
Which would be okay if not for the immediate popup of "yeah, they sexed it up, and she got pregnant, and had a kid, what is growed up now".

Children/relationships in Fates were weeeeiiiird.

theshim
May 1, 2012

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Those were some pretty bad levels.
:darksouls:

theshim
May 1, 2012

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Ah, I see we're treating the plot with the gravity it deserves :allears:

theshim
May 1, 2012

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Well, congrats on finishing Birthright! Nice to see the real hero represented. Oboro MVP :swoon:

theshim
May 1, 2012

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Carlosologist posted:

we're through the looking glass, people :allears:

Lancer is absolutely necessary for Conquest, but I've sometimes put my Corrin into Ninja for more debuffs
It's nowhere close to absolutely necessary, though it certainly is handy. That said, Conquest Corrin can get Draconix Hex, which makes them a pretty great debuffer on its own.

theshim
May 1, 2012

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Odin is not mechanically amazing but he's serviceable. That said, he makes a surprisingly solid Samurai if you feel like blowing a Heart Seal and probably an Arms Scroll on him. I also loving love his passive, it's so him.

Niles kinda suffers a bit from the WTA as a magekiller, especially since he doesn't get the ridiculous skill of Archers and the Dual Yumi is unavailable, but he's still quite good at it and brings solid utility to the board elsewhere. And Kidnap is kinda extremely very incredibly good on Conquest, especially on Hard and Lunatic. In Birthright captured units tend to be serviceable at best, but you can capture an amazing amount of those assholes with bullshit skillsets, and one of the best in the game is in the very next level!

theshim
May 1, 2012

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Tae posted:



Forging to help out the team



And now Odin can actually kill things reliably.
Of course, since Fire can't crit, Odin's passive does nothing for it :v:

theshim
May 1, 2012

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Tae posted:

Elise is going too? Now I'm really worried. It was nice knowing you, Corrine.
:iceburn:

The dialogue in Fates has no shortage of issues, but occasionally they still have some fun lines.

As for Mozu, I made a point of using her and marrying her to Ryoma and Xander in my Birthright and Conquest runs so she can be a proper Murderqueen. But for the sake of seeing other units, give her a seat on the bench.

theshim
May 1, 2012

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Nyx is Elise But Worse in every way. It's unfortunate, but there's just no reason to use her.

Haitaka, though. Rally Defense this early is insanely, amazingly good, and especially so given that the next chapter is infamous for being very difficult...

theshim
May 1, 2012

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inthesto posted:

I started a new file to play along with the thread, and I'm noticing the beginning of the game is a ton easier if you use the DLC classes.
This is largely because they count as promoted classes and have stat gains to match.

theshim
May 1, 2012

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This map is incredibly hard when doing challenge runs of Conquest, especially if you want all the stuff. That Dracoshield is remarkably hard to get, and thanks to the skill setups they can even chew through Camilla down there, albeit barely.

Still, this is one of the most universally liked maps in the game, and with good reason. Multiple optional objectives and a whole mess of different fronts to fight on make for a really fun experience.

theshim
May 1, 2012

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Camilla is probably the best unit in Conquest. She's no Ryoma, but she's statistically excellent and just keeps getting better.

theshim
May 1, 2012

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Ninja Laslow
Great Lord Selena


You can never have enough ninjas, and Great Lord lets Selena keep her sword rank.

theshim
May 1, 2012

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God drat those Charlotte levels. With one or two exceptions those were some great gains for everyone this chapter.

Tae posted:



Hmm. Luck is actually a factor now since he's more crit-focused because of his PSkill.
Unless they hosed with the formula, Luck doesn't affect crit, only crit evade.

theshim
May 1, 2012

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Wary Fighter was made for Benny. Give that to him and it negates his only real weakness (besides Armorslayers, but whatever).

Wary Fighter is just incredibly good in general. It wipes out the downsides of nearly all of the 1-2 range weapons, and Benny really does become the ultimate wall with it.

Also, Tae, you've got Charlotte's class set and passive twice up there.

theshim
May 1, 2012

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PassingPie posted:

Was that the same song she was always singing in Birthright?
It's a different verse and also sung in a different key and with different instrumentation. I really like this cutscene's song!

e: you have "Keaton is a tank Keaton" instead of Kaden up there

theshim fucked around with this message at 03:16 on May 4, 2017

theshim
May 1, 2012

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And now we have Leo, the Worst Royal with The Worst Royal Weapon. Brynhildr's good and all, but it's nowhere close to the Fujin Yumi or the swords. And Leo is a huge letdown, he's mediocre as all hell.

We also have Keaton, who's a solid offtank if you need one. His voice line when you recruit him is fun too. "I'm Keaton. Your superior." He's a silly and fun dude in this game of horribly thick characters.

I also want to draw attention to Benny's battle portrait when he's winning.

It is Good.

theshim
May 1, 2012

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I enjoy Chapter 15. It's good stuff, and it's a decent breather on the heels of 14. These two here are the closest Conquest comes to giving you a breather.

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theshim
May 1, 2012

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Tae posted:

Give me more like them! I haven't had a good adventure in ages! A hero needs more than fetch quests and escort missions.
Bad Odin! No breaking the fourth wall!

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